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Could The Handmaid's Tale going from dystopian fiction to true-life documentary for the US?

Could The Handmaid's Tale going from dystopian fiction to true-life documentary for the US?


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Well, silly me...
I've heard of feminists, even know a few, and I might even married to one, but I was wondering if there was something that drew a bright line between feminists and "extreme" feminists, and I was hoping Mr. Fishking was going to help me in my understanding of the difference. I wondered, possibly by mistake, if it had any connection to the popular term "feminazi".

But I guess he isn't interested in being helpful with the definition.
He apparently decided that Mitch McConnell was much more interesting (Today, 09:39 PM) and was satisfied with his drive-by posting here.

I do have stuff to do, you know. Also, my other comments where valid but belong in that thread, not this one. Fix your whining to at least stay on topic of the threads.
 
Thanks for offering pointless background information as an "objection", a background that is irrelevant to the book's and movie's hobegoblinization of white-bred religious America, and one that is is obviously obsessed with male patriarchy, white female feminism, etc. It's origins, in the era of the culture left's wild reaction to election of Reagan and fear of the then newly empowered religious right are dystopian drivel. Atwood's view of the US and social culture is stereotypical left: fear of those American repressive puritans (e.g. Republic of Gilead), fear of Christian theocracy, fear of male led nuclear families. In other words, all Atwood did was use the mythology of the liberal era and fear of 1980s politics to create her oppressive religious government.

As dystopian predictive literature, its a hot mess. In reality, the only totalitarian and monolithic theocracies to really fear have arisen in Islam, the only social systems of brutalization of females as a virtue is Muslim. The social systems that have rewarded and punished women based on birth control (or pregnancy) have been communist (China, Romania, etc.).

The Handmaidens Tale, like the later movie "V" for Vendetta, are lousy dystopian depictions because they ignore the ACTUAL and HISTORICAL roots and trends of social systems, and choose to pander to the infantile liberal fears of their creators.

As I said - 1984 and Brave New World were both examples of great dystopian novels - still instructive today.

White bred religious America deserves to be hobgoblinized. They have hypocritically enshrined a morally bankrupt grifter as the virus to destroy the fabric of democracy, that the land might be ripened for theocracy.
White BREAD religious America deserves to be hobgoblinized. Your fundamentalism teaches the values of fear and hate. It's been a thirty year campaign of fear and hatred of anyone outside your pure white circle.

You are hobgoblins because you use the language and mannerisms of a hobgobnlin, lashing out at all you do not understand.
You spend enormous sums empowering sycophantic pundits who will repeat the phrase "America is not a democracy", as if there were ever an experiment with pure democracy in the modern era. Everyone knows that a democratically elected constitutional republic can also be referred to as a democracy, so why the zombies and their monosyllabic grunting? To devalue democracy, of course.

The term "nuclear family" is a hot mess, because a nuclear family is...a FAMILY.
A male led family is just like any other family.
We do not all get the family we want or the family we're supposed to be prescribed, but we have to love the family we're given.
You...you attack other families for not fitting your mold.

The dialogue being peddled by the alt-Right today is precisely what Atwood predicted, and it not only echoes radical Islam, it also echoes another more recent totalitarian monster.
Listen to the speeches of the Third Reich in the 1930's and replace the word "JEW" with "LEFTIST".

The Third Reich rewarded fecund German mothers with the Mutterehrenkreuz, the
"Cross of Honor of the German Mother", given to all "volkdeutsche" mothers who spawned large broods. You're not fooling anybody.

You didn't even read the damn book.
You have clearly copied and pasted a review from some extremist site, because the title is "The Handmaid's Tale" and the characters are HANDMAIDS, not handmaidens.

So thanks for your copy/paste skills, about a book you never read and know nothing about.
 
White bred religious America deserves to be hobgoblinized. They have hypocritically enshrined a morally bankrupt grifter as the virus to destroy the fabric of democracy, that the land might be ripened for theocracy.
White BREAD religious America deserves to be hobgoblinized. Your fundamentalism teaches the values of fear and hate. It's been a thirty year campaign of fear and hatred of anyone outside your pure white circle.

You are hobgoblins because you use the language and mannerisms of a hobgobnlin, lashing out at all you do not understand.
You spend enormous sums empowering sycophantic pundits who will repeat the phrase "America is not a democracy", as if there were ever an experiment with pure democracy in the modern era. Everyone knows that a democratically elected constitutional republic can also be referred to as a democracy, so why the zombies and their monosyllabic grunting? To devalue democracy, of course.

The term "nuclear family" is a hot mess, because a nuclear family is...a FAMILY.
A male led family is just like any other family.
We do not all get the family we want or the family we're supposed to be prescribed, but we have to love the family we're given.
You...you attack other families for not fitting your mold.

The dialogue being peddled by the alt-Right today is precisely what Atwood predicted, and it not only echoes radical Islam, it also echoes another more recent totalitarian monster.
Listen to the speeches of the Third Reich in the 1930's and replace the word "JEW" with "LEFTIST".

The Third Reich rewarded fecund German mothers with the Mutterehrenkreuz, the
"Cross of Honor of the German Mother", given to all "volkdeutsche" mothers who spawned large broods. You're not fooling anybody.

You didn't even read the damn book.
You have clearly copied and pasted a review from some extremist site, because the title is "The Handmaid's Tale" and the characters are HANDMAIDS, not handmaidens.

So thanks for your copy/paste skills, about a book you never read and know nothing about.

:roll: You seem to have an endless well of unhinged nonsense against people who simply see things differently from you.

As for bigotry and switching words out for "Jew," perhaps you should try the same with your own "white bred/bread religious America" missives above.
 
One that writes a book like that.

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Thanks for offering pointless background information as an "objection", a background that is irrelevant to the book's and movie's hobegoblinization of white-bred religious America, and one that is is obviously obsessed with male patriarchy, white female feminism, etc. It's origins, in the era of the culture left's wild reaction to election of Reagan and fear of the then newly empowered religious right are dystopian drivel. Atwood's view of the US and social culture is stereotypical left: fear of those American repressive puritans (e.g. Republic of Gilead), fear of Christian theocracy, fear of male led nuclear families. In other words, all Atwood did was use the mythology of the liberal era and fear of 1980s politics to create her oppressive religious government.

As dystopian predictive literature, its a hot mess. In reality, the only totalitarian and monolithic theocracies to really fear have arisen in Islam, the only social systems of brutalization of females as a virtue is Muslim. The social systems that have rewarded and punished women based on birth control (or pregnancy) have been communist (China, Romania, etc.).

The Handmaidens Tale, like the later movie "V" for Vendetta, are lousy dystopian depictions because they ignore the ACTUAL and HISTORICAL roots and trends of social systems, and choose to pander to the infantile liberal fears of their creators.

As I said - 1984 and Brave New World were both examples of great dystopian novels - still instructive today.

Atwood, by her own word, didn't even base her society of Gilead on historically Christian societies. She based it on atheist totalitarian regimes like the USSR, China, and North Korea, as well as drawing specific episodes from the Islamic reign of terror in Iran.

Checky has a bigoted axe to grind with American Christians (explicitly by his own words), so of course the historical and allegorical nuances of Atwood kind of flutter by for him.

(BTW, never confuse the nonsense V for Vendetta movie with the source material. The graphic novel is subtle and deep in all the ways the movie is crass and shallow.)
 
I gave you an answer but somehow you didn't feel the need to address that one. How interestingly dishonest of you.

Your answer was deficient in specific criteria.
S'okay, you'd probably rather the question was dropped.
I can go from this bull**** to being real in a microsecond, you just let me know when you're ready.
 
Your answer was deficient in specific criteria.
S'okay, you'd probably rather the question was dropped.
I can go from this bull**** to being real in a microsecond, you just let me know when you're ready.

My answer was just fine. You didn't like it because there was nothing for you to grab into and turn it into a meme, like when you were trying to get me to say feminazi. Sorry that didn't work out for you.
 
My answer was just fine. You didn't like it because there was nothing for you to grab into and turn it into a meme, like when you were trying to get me to say feminazi. Sorry that didn't work out for you.

Your answer is that you fear strong women, and you harbor resentments a mile wide, so you've latched onto a narrative that fulfills every single jot and tiddle that spells out "feminazi".
So there is no need for you to spell it or say it.
It's written up over your head in flashing neon block letters a mile high.
 
Your answer is that you fear strong women, and you harbor resentments a mile wide, so you've latched onto a narrative that fulfills every single jot and tiddle that spells out "feminazi".
So there is no need for you to spell it or say it.
It's written up over your head in flashing neon block letters a mile high.

And now you're just making **** up because you have nothing. Walk away before you embarrass yourself more.
 
I've been reminded of this thread since I'm almost done with the novel. In The Handmaid's Tale, every member of the US government was killed so that this pseudo-religious, power-hungry group could take over. The women are treated like objects who aren't allowed to speak to men unless given permission and some (the handmaids) are simply used to procreate, women aren't allowed to own anything, men aren't allowed to touch or speak to women unless those in power approve it, there's no reading, no writing, no music, no laughter, very little communication with the outside world, casual sex is only for the elite, anyone going against those in power are rounded up and killed immediately. And every average citizen has been disarmed. The only people with weapons are the government.

If you think this COULD happen in the US -- what can we do now to protect future Americans?
 
No one can ever see it happening until it does.



That doesn't specifically deal with misogyny but it does deal with the "it can't happen here" naiveté.
 
That doesn't specifically deal with misogyny but it does deal with the "it can't happen here" naiveté.

What measures should we be taking to make sure it doesn't?
 
What measures should we be taking to make sure it doesn't?

Refocus on justice and make laws that defend the justice of bodily autonomy, not attack it.
 
But even if Trump said anything like that and any of his zombie-like supporters who think his every word is gospel would go for it, there's no pathway to it actually happening. You'd have to have more than just some dumb Trump supporters behind it.

In most speculative fiction that contemplates theocracy it ususally arrives on the coattails of some kind of disaster/collapse.

Based on religious groups having more cohesion afterwards and leveraging their better relative position to establish a theocracy.
 
Ones in which multinational corporations grow so large and powerful that governments start yielding control over to them, to include legislation and law enforcement.

Like ALEC?
 
I don't know this series myself, but we don't have extremely high infertility rates or dangerously low reproduction rates. Fertility rates often do cause countries to take extreme measures, but I don't think the US is facing a population crisis.

Iirc it was a virus or some such that caused the low fertility rates
 
I watched 2 seasons. Great acting, a bit too dark for me, but certainly within the realm of possibility. The religious right has very high influence in the workings of government.

Lol, what? What religion would that be? It's certainly not Christianity.
 
Refocus on justice and make laws that defend the justice of bodily autonomy, not attack it.

Bodily autonomy only for those already born, I'm assuming you mean.

Anything else?
 
I watched 2 seasons. Great acting, a bit too dark for me, but certainly within the realm of possibility. The religious right has very high influence in the workings of government.

I think "everything is in shambles and we're all dying" dystopian novels are more popular, but they are the farthest away from where the US is.
 
Quote it.

No quote that I'm aware of.

But I am wondering when he's gonna turn melania in for a younger model.

I don't see any respect for women from him, quite the opposite. People who respect women don't engage in the kind of "locker room" talk we've heard from his mouth.

He revels in the company of dictators. The handmaids tale is a tale of dictatorship.

It isn't that much of a reach.
 
No quote that I'm aware of.

But I am wondering when he's gonna turn melania in for a younger model.

I don't see any respect for women from him, quite the opposite. People who respect women don't engage in the kind of "locker room" talk we've heard from his mouth.

He revels in the company of dictators. The handmaids tale is a tale of dictatorship.

It isn't that much of a reach.

It's actually a huge reach. Disrespecting women and playing nice with the little man from North Korea doesn't mean he wants the extreme plot that's laid out in The Handmaid's Tale.
 
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