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Could The Handmaid's Tale going from dystopian fiction to true-life documentary for the US?

Could The Handmaid's Tale going from dystopian fiction to true-life documentary for the US?

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Josie

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Plot Overview. Offred is a Handmaid in the Republic of Gilead, a totalitarian and theocratic state that has replaced the United States of America. Because of dangerously low reproduction rates, Handmaids are assigned to bear children for elite couples that have trouble conceiving.

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The Enlightenment, an understanding of socially natural rights which lead to such realizations as the American and French Revolutions, defeated dogmatic religious authority hundreds of years ago and that will not change.
 
We had elite couples who couldn’t conceive using surrogates way before Trump

So not sure how Trump has changed the equation at all

Please expound....
 
ecofarm said:
The Enlightenment, an understanding of socially natural rights which lead to such realizations as the American and French Revolutions, defeated dogmatic religious authority hundreds of years ago and that will not change.
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The American enlightenment is contaminated by Dominionism and the experiment is failing. Such extremism could take the Gilead road.
 
Josie said:
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Plot Overview. Offred is a Handmaid in the Republic of Gilead, a totalitarian and theocratic state that has replaced the United States of America. Because of dangerously low reproduction rates, Handmaids are assigned to bear children for elite couples that have trouble conceiving.

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It's a cautionary tale. We're not there and may never be there, but humans are quite capable of going there.
 
Winchester said:
It's a cautionary tale. We're not there and may never be there, but humans are quite capable of going there.
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I agree that humans are capable of it. I just don't ever see it happening in the US.
 
Josie said:
I agree that humans are capable of it. I just don't ever see it happening in the US.
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No one can ever see it happening until it does.
 
I watched 2 seasons. Great acting, a bit too dark for me, but certainly within the realm of possibility. The religious right has very high influence in the workings of government.
 
gdgyva said:
We had elite couples who couldn’t conceive using surrogates way before Trump

So not sure how Trump has changed the equation at all

Please expound....
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When you believe the worst, most stupid evil claims, you'll believe anything is possible.
 
I read the book years ago. I thought it could happen, if the right was allowed to go too far. And there are places in Southern Utah, not far from it now.
 
Civilizations are capable of going to as many depraved places as you can imagine, and America isn't immune to any of it.

And before anybody sees the mere possibility of the Handmaid's Tale as something so goofy that it either couldn't happen here or wouldn't happen for decades, consider that all it would take is one...one...comment by Trump seriously entertaining the notion (you know, to troll the libs) to cause 44% of the country to automatically accept it as a good idea.

Edit: no, I don't think Trump would suggest it. My only point is that the line between where we are and unthinkable shifts in national dialogue is much more precarious than a lot of people appreciate. If I had gone back two years in time and told everybody that the Republican Party would hate Canada, hate NATO and identify with Russia more than they identify with their fellow Americans, I would have been laughed out of every room.

The kind of poll option I could have voted for would have been, "Anything is possible and American Exceptionalism won't save us from it."
 
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Josie said:
So what's your vote on the poll?
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There's not a poll option I agree with. We're not there, Trump is irrelevant in the discussion and the other 2 options pretty much discount it's close or even possible. IMO there are significant elements in our society that would push it there if they could. If I have to choose on of the options it would be 3 with the caveat that were closer than the choice indicates.
 
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Cardinal said:
Civilizations are capable of going to as many depraved places as you can imagine, and America isn't immune to any of it.

And before anybody sees the mere possibility of the Handmaid's Tale as something so goofy that it either couldn't happen here or wouldn't happen for decades, consider that all it would take is one...one...comment by Trump seriously entertaining the notion (you know, to troll the libs) to cause 44% of the country to automatically accept it as a good idea.

Edit: no, I don't think Trump would suggest it. My only point is that the line between where we are and unthinkable shifts in national dialogue is much more precarious than a lot of people appreciate. If I had gone back two years in time and told everybody that the Republican Party would hate Canada, hate NATO and identify with Russia more than they identify with their fellow Americans, I would have been laughed out of every room.

The kind of poll option I could have voted for would have been, "Anything is possible and American Exceptionalism won't save us from it."
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But even if Trump said anything like that and any of his zombie-like supporters who think his every word is gospel would go for it, there's no pathway to it actually happening. You'd have to have more than just some dumb Trump supporters behind it.
 
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Cardinal said:
The kind of poll option I could have voted for would have been, "Anything is possible and American Exceptionalism won't save us from it."
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So you're answer would be "maybe someday".
 
Josie said:
But even if Trump said anything like that and any of his zombie-like supporters who think his every word is gospel, there's no pathway to it actually happening. You'd have to have more than just some dump Trump supporters behind it.
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dump Trump or dumb Trump supporters?
 
I doubt it will ever happen.i think there are more plausible dystopian futures we need to worry about.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I doubt it will ever happen.i think there are more plausible dystopian futures we need to worry about.
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I think the more plausible dystopian futures we need to worry about cause the Handmaid's Tale Dystopia to be more plausible.
 
Rosie1 said:
I read the book years ago. I thought it could happen, if the right was allowed to go too far. And there are places in Southern Utah, not far from it now.
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Who on the right wants or would want women to be forced to be surrogates for the elite?
 
Josie said:
Which ones are you thinking?
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Ones in which multinational corporations grow so large and powerful that governments start yielding control over to them, to include legislation and law enforcement.
 
Josie said:
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Plot Overview. Offred is a Handmaid in the Republic of Gilead, a totalitarian and theocratic state that has replaced the United States of America. Because of dangerously low reproduction rates, Handmaids are assigned to bear children for elite couples that have trouble conceiving.

Please vote and tell us why you voted that way.


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I don't know this series myself, but we don't have extremely high infertility rates or dangerously low reproduction rates. Fertility rates often do cause countries to take extreme measures, but I don't think the US is facing a population crisis.
 
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