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Let’s say Kavanaugh admitted to Ms. Ford’s solo, uncorroborated accusation

Should he then sit on the SCOTUS

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The Mark said:
I don't know how order of proof or burden of proof work. That sounds like some legal process, which I am not aware of except that it probably exists. I assume it follows some reasonably logical process.

Who the hell is Jong Jr.?

My understanding is that Leland Keyser has stated she believes Dr. Blasey.

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not a student of literature. look up where the band STEELY DAN got its name
 
The Mark said:
You are incorrect.

As an example, Dr. Blasey's friend Leland Keyser sent a statement through her lawyer saying she didn't know Kavanaugh and didn't recall being at a party he was at.
She also told the Washington Post that she believed Dr. Blasey.

Kavanaugh claimed that all the witnesses refuted Dr. Blasey's allegations, which was a false statement.
He may have misrepresented it accidentally, but that needs to be clarified by him if so.
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Not one of the people that Dr. Ford has specifically named in her foggy memory account of what happened 36 years ago corroborates her account involving Kavanaugh. never mind if some of them might lean toward believing her. Ford lacks facts and it does not look like the FBI is going to find anyone to corroborate her account with persuasive testimony.
 
zimmer said:
... just for argument sake...

... should Kavanaugh sit on the SCOTUS?
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No...but mostly for perjuring himself, multiple times. You can make an argument that mistakes while he was a minor, and also drunk, can be forgiven so long as the rest of his life he wasn't doing the same thing, but you can't make that same argument with multiple lies during testimonies as a sober adult.
 
celticwar17 said:
Well if he did admit it immediately... and didn't lie about it...
And said he was just young and made a mistake 30 years ago, and ultimately nothing came of it...

That's a tough question... I feel like people should be able to be forgiven on something that happened so long ago and in adolescence. There has been no evidence he ever carried that behavior after the incident.

Although it's difficult for me to say, I don't think this hypothetical situation should automatically disqualify him from the nomination.

But that is easy pickings for partisan America.... the PR hit alone may be enough to make it not a good idea. What's right and not a good idea, can be opposites... but you can make an argument that the PR hit is there anyway...
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I still would have opposed him but truth be told, if he HAD owned up to it immediately instead of creating this cavalcade of lies and obfuscation, he would have had a much stronger case.

His conduct the other day revealed some deep seated personality flaws that make it impossible to confirm him, even though it's likely he'll be ramrodded through. But that's okay, he will be impeached in 2019.
 
marke said:
Not one of the people that Dr. Ford has specifically named in her foggy memory account of what happened 36 years ago corroborates her account involving Kavanaugh. never mind if some of them might lean toward believing her. Ford lacks facts and it does not look like the FBI is going to find anyone to corroborate her account with persuasive testimony.
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if her friend now claims she remembers Kavanaugh, she commits perjury. We haven't figured out what house this alleged gathering took place in. none of the people allegedly there (save Jong Jr) have stated they remember ever being there.
 
Fishking said:
No...but mostly for perjuring himself, multiple times. You can make an argument that mistakes while he was a minor, and also drunk, can be forgiven so long as the rest of his life he wasn't doing the same thing, but you can't make that same argument with multiple lies during testimonies as a sober adult.
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another one who has fallen for the dem strategy.
 
TurtleDude said:
another one who has fallen for the dem strategy.
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What are you talking about? I haven't fallen for anything. This thread is a hypothetical.
 
Fishking said:
What are you talking about? I haven't fallen for anything. This thread is a hypothetical.
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perhaps I misread or misunderstood what you said

where do you stand on the Kavanaugh nomination right now
 
TurtleDude said:
perhaps I misread or misunderstood what you said

where do you stand on the Kavanaugh nomination right now
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That the claims are garbage and part of a specific strategy to stall past the mid-terms where the Democrats hope to win the Senate and block all nominations until 2021 where they hope to also win the WH. That's what this is all about, there are no other motivations or reasons behind it.

This thread is a hypothetical where Kavanaugh admits he did it.
 
Big Ed said:
He has submitted hundreds of opinions throughout his career, many have been used and cited by several SC Justices. For a moment, hypothetically, let's say he did grope Ford when he was drunk when he was 17; hundreds have stated he has treated women with respect and dignity throughout his career, he has never had a blemish on his actions (until now-hmmm) - what of Kavanagh's professional career disqualifies him?
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It is about honesty, something which in today's world of politics may not be important but it is very important when it comes to the SC. So in that area Kav seems to be failing in that test. As for how he treats women, I have little doubt when sober he treats them well, when drunk that may change dramatically, something not uncommon among drinker's.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I still would have opposed him but truth be told, if he HAD owned up to it immediately instead of creating this cavalcade of lies and obfuscation, he would have had a much stronger case.

His conduct the other day revealed some deep seated personality flaws that make it impossible to confirm him, even though it's likely he'll be ramrodded through. But that's okay, he will be impeached in 2019.
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full BS... his conduct was almost inhuman how he handled it... this is a man who's life and family has been through emotional torture the last two weeks over politics.... No one that I know would be able to keep it together, they would be broken. I don't think I could.

Comments like this show how people seperate themselves so much from the situation they have zero empathy.
 
Manc Skipper said:
So a potential co-defendant denies beng there, and two people who were not attacked can't recall a particular drunken party out of several, thirty-five years ago. None of this rebuts the victim's assertions.
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Her best friend, who Ford claims was there, emphatically states that she was never at a party with Kavanaugh, ever. Now you are back to saying that just because a woman accuses a man of something then he is guilty, with no other proof needed but mere accusations.
 
Cardinal said:
He tried to cushion it with "solo, uncorroborated accusation" as if that would undermine the accusation itself, but if Kavanaugh admitted to it then the matter of the accusation being "solo and uncorroborated" would be effectively moot. I'm guessing that Zimmer didn't really think this through.
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Playing chess while others are playing checkers.

You see, this poll was not really about Kavanaugh, but the one person in the room who had admitted to sexual assault.

Considering the seriousness, and the replies of most Leftists to this poll... I suppose it is time for Democrats to be consistent and call for Cory (Retardicus) Booker to be removed from the Senate. He is an admitted sexual abuser after all. There is ZERO question about it.

Or will the Leftists be inconsistent with this?
 
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Rexedgar said:
He will sit on the Supreme Court with a gigantic chip on his shoulder....



Edit: Do the sentenced people still thank the judge when the sentence is read?
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You assume the chip on Cavanaugh's is because of the 'confirmation' process. You assume Cavanaugh is like you.
I assume the chip on Cavanaugh's shoulder will be because of the way The Constitution has been interpreted lately and not at all how the founders envisioned The Constitution to be envisioned.
 
I couldn't vote in the poll because the FBI hasn't finished their investigation of Ford and others. Something extraordinary could come out of it.

As it is now, it's a he said she said between someone who turned out to be a respected judge and someone who blacked out from excessive drinking.

Otis from Mayberry comes to mind. I suppose Otis could be reliable in some instances but when he was slobber-knockered drunk?
But the slobber-knockered drunks of the world have rights, too. I wouldn't rely too much on their memories. Repressed, extracted or otherwise.
 
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zimmer said:
Playing chess while others are playing checkers.

You see, this poll was not really about Kavanaugh, but the one person in the room who had admitted to sexual assault.

Considering the seriousness, and the replies of most Leftists to this poll... I suppose it is time for Democrats to be consistent and call for Cory (Retardicus) Booker to be removed from the Senate. He is an admitted sexual abuser after all. There is ZERO question about it.

Or will the Leftists be inconsistent with this?
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The #MeToo movement certainly has a strong voice in the dem party. Right now, Booker is valuable even to the #MeToo movement because he might be able to beat Trump in 2020. I suppose when Booker doesn't beat Trump in 2020 the dems will eat him alive as they have other dem operatives.

I wonder what the #MeToo movement will do to Booker even if he's elected president in 2020? I doubt it'll be pretty.
 
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cabse5 said:
The #MeToo movement certainly has a strong voice in the dem party. Right now, Booker is valuable even to the #MeToo movement because he might be able to beat Trump in 2020. I suppose when Booker doesn't beat Trump in 2020 the dems will eat him alive as they have other dem operatives.

I wonder what the #MeToo movement will do to Booker even if he's elected president in 2020? I doubt it'll be pretty.
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Democrats hate sexual immorality in politicians, except when they don't.
 
marke said:
Democrats hate sexual immorality in politicians, except when they don't.
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The dems hate sexual immorality when it's politically motivated.

Unfortunately, all politicians are too politically motivated in all they do.
Even Trump has become too politically motivated, IMO.
 
cabse5 said:
You assume the chip on Cavanaugh's is because of the 'confirmation' process. You assume Cavanaugh is like you.
I assume the chip on Cavanaugh's shoulder will be because of the way The Constitution has been interpreted lately and not at all how the founders envisioned The Constitution to be envisioned.
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The great "fault" of the Founders was leaving us with a Constitution that needed "interpreting!" You do assume too much........
 
Rexedgar said:
The great "fault" of the Founders was leaving us with a Constitution that needed "interpreting!" You do assume too much........
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Not by the guys who wrote it. There's always amendments to change The Constitution.

One of the first things that goes against the wishes of the founders and The Constitution is the current power of SCOTUS.
The founders envisioned SCOTUS to interpret laws not become the unofficial fourth co-equal branch of government as they have become WITHOUT AMENDMENT to The Constitution.
 
celticwar17 said:
full BS... his conduct was almost inhuman how he handled it... this is a man who's life and family has been through emotional torture the last two weeks over politics.... No one that I know would be able to keep it together, they would be broken. I don't think I could.

Comments like this show how people seperate themselves so much from the situation they have zero empathy.
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Oh spare me.

How about EIGHT back to back investigations, eleven hours of nonstop grilling.
And I'm not even a fan of this person, but she gets credit for being unflappable.

You guys even snickered over it on your beloved Faux Nooz:

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Maybe eight more investigations and you'll finally come up with something, eh?
 
Rexedgar said:
The great "fault" of the Founders was leaving us with a Constitution that needed "interpreting!" You do assume too much........
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Originalism is to the law what creationism is to science.
The Constitution is not a ship in a glass bottle.
And besides, we are about two states away from calling a Constitutional Convention and I guarantee you that ALL of these devout "originalists" will be the very ones to take a flamethrower to the Constitution the moment they get the chance.

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Checkerboard Strangler said:
Originalism is to the law what creationism is to science.
The Constitution is not a ship in a glass bottle.
And besides, we are about two states away from calling a Constitutional Convention and I guarantee you that ALL of these devout "originalists" will be the very ones to take a flamethrower to the Constitution the moment they get the chance.

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:applaud
 
celticwar17 said:
full BS... his conduct was almost inhuman how he handled it... this is a man who's life and family has been through emotional torture the last two weeks over politics.... No one that I know would be able to keep it together, they would be broken. I don't think I could.

Comments like this show how people seperate themselves so much from the situation they have zero empathy.
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Zero empathy? Coming from a Trump supporter, that is beyond hilarious.
Aren't you the guys with the "**** YOUR FEELINGS" tee shirts?
 
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