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Should the FBI Investigate Cory Booker?

Is Cory Booker a sexual predator?

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Waddy said:
Young men are done with marriage, and even having relationships. Poll after poll bears this out. There is even a movement dedicated to it; MGTOW (men going their own way). I can understand their concerns; the laws at every level are stacked against them. Any advance can be made to look like assault. Stuff gets made up. My youngest son is in management; he tells me he will not be in the same room now alone with a female worker. He does not make small talk with them. No socializing after work with women. The last couple of trips he had to make he took male employees with him. His last three hires have been male. A lot of young men are defensive aware nowadays.
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Thanks #metoo and their message of "toxic masculinity" and giving women the power to destroy men with impunity.
 
JMR said:
Perhaps. And has evolved to understand how he was wrong, and empathizes with victims of actions like this....unlike some current leaders who believe the best defense of their actions is denial.
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You assume guilt. Are you always that judgmental? And tell me all about your votes for The Clinton’s and their evolved state. Or congressman Ellison.


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VanceMack said:
1-You are assuming Kavanaugh actually did what he is accused of doing. There is no evidence of that. But...
2-"After having my hand pushed away once, I reached my ‘mark,’”

So no...he didnt stop.
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Pushing his hand away WAS saying "no".
Add to that she was so drunk she wasn't in control, and Booker is a sexual predator.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
1. Only for the sake of this OP.

2. Maybe I misunderstand what “mark” means. I assumed it meant that was where she drew a line. If he continued grabbing despite her protestations then that was assault.
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It's obvious the "mark" was her bosom and yes, pushing his hands away is most certainly protesting his taking the encounter further.
 
VanceMack said:
You assume guilt. Are you always that judgmental? And tell me all about your votes for The Clinton’s and their evolved state. Or congressman Ellison.


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I don't have to "assume" guilt on the part of our current leader, who bragged about it to Billy Bush, and has more than 15 distinct accusers. Clinton was thoroughly investigated and impeached...which would be a nice precedent.
 
JMR said:
Perhaps. And has evolved to understand how he was wrong, and empathizes with victims of actions like this....unlike some current leaders who believe the best defense of their actions is denial.
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He admitted to sexual assault. That's a crime.
 
JMR said:
I don't have to "assume" guilt on the part of our current leader, who bragged about it to Billy Bush, and has more than 15 distinct accusers. Clinton was thoroughly investigated and impeached...which would be a nice precedent.
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Your myopic partisanship is noted, as is your willingness to blatantly lie.

How tragic.
 
Waddy said:
Young men are done with marriage, and even having relationships. Poll after poll bears this out. There is even a movement dedicated to it; MGTOW (men going their own way). I can understand their concerns; the laws at every level are stacked against them. Any advance can be made to look like assault. Stuff gets made up. My youngest son is in management; he tells me he will not be in the same room now alone with a female worker. He does not make small talk with them. No socializing after work with women. The last couple of trips he had to make he took male employees with him. His last three hires have been male. A lot of young men are defensive aware nowadays.
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He still may not be 'safe' with other men. Accusers are not gender picky these days.
 
From the article:
“New Year’s Eve 1984,” Booker recalled. “I will never forget. I was 15. As the ball dropped, I leaned over to hug a friend and she met me instead with an overwhelming kiss.”

Things apparently moved very quickly for the young man, who recalled thinking of sex as a “game.”

“As we fumbled upon the bed, I remember debating my next ‘move’ as if it were a chess game. With the ‘Top Gun’ slogan ringing in my head, I slowly reached for her breast. After having my hand pushed away once, I reached my ‘mark,’” Booker wrote.

Booker didn’t elaborate on what his “mark” was, but whatever happened, it was enough to haunt him for years to come.

“Our grouping ended soon and while no ‘relationship’ ensued, a friendship did,” he wrote. “You see, the next week in school she told me she was drunk that night and didn’t really know what she was doing.”​

Facts of the matter:
  • What transpired is activity between a minor who was below the age of consent engaging with another of unspecified age, but presumably she was also below consenting age.
    • It's unclear in what state the event occurred. Assuming NJ:
      • In NJ, the age of consent for sexual conduct is 16 years old. This applies to both heterosexual and homosexual conduct. As a general matter, this means that a person who is 16 years old can generally consent to have sex with any adult, regardless of age.

        Like most other states, NJ’s laws allow for consensual sex between minors below the age of consent, if they are close to the same age. In NJ, a person aged 13 or older can generally consent to have sex with anyone who is no more than 4 years older.

        Nobody under the age of 13 can legally consent to sex, regardless of the age of their partner.
      • AFAIK, no state has laws about matters of minors' alcohol-influenced activity, much less between ones below consenting age. By law, alcohol isn't permitted to be a factor in any of minors' comportment, much less in their ardor.
  • He entreated for a hug. She, not he, took it to an "overwhelming kiss."
  • There's no indication either of them objected to whatever be the body of activities in which they ultimately engaged. We know only that (1) at one point she expressed reluctance and (2) later Booker achieved whatever was his "mark." We don't know (1) what that "mark" was or (2) whether that "mark" was reached with her acquiescence or approbation.
  • There is no indication of violence.
  • It seems they both had alcohol-compromised minds.
  • It appears that after, not during, the kissing and groping, she desired no further interaction of the sort in which they engaged.
  • Whatever Booker did, it didn't offend the girl to the point of making her unwilling to form a platonic friendship with Booker.
  • The girl, presumably now a woman, based on the article's content, hasn't remarked on the matter.
  • Booker volunteered the anecdote. He did so some five years ago.

Should the FBI investigate the matter?
  • Is Booker's fitness for an appointed position being evaluated by a prospective employer or "approver and consetor?" Best as I can tell, the answer to that question is "no."
  • Is Booker seeking a position whereby he'll conceivably be an arbiter of the germanity and meaning of any law in the U.S. and whereby his pronouncements can be invalidated only by a Constitutional amendment or a reversal of SCOTUS precedent? No.
  • Is an FBI background investigation a requirement for election to the U.S. Senate? No.
  • Is the woman (then a girl) whom Booker, as a 15 year-old, engaged in "heavy petting" claiming to have been sexually assaulted? AFAIK, no.
  • Is the fact of Booker's ascenance to high public office widely known? Yes. The man's held one or another elected high office since 1998 and has been in the news -- national and local -- repeatedly since then.
  • Does it seem, from the story we've been told that the girl initially encouraged "something," then had second thoughts, and may have subsequently disabused herself of them? Yes.
In light of the above, my normative answer is "no;" however, my positive answer is I think there's no reason, other than an economic one, for objecting to the FBI's investigating the matter.

Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping.
-- Rep. Kevin McCarthy​

I suppose there's nothing stopping the GOP from pursuing yet another politically motivated waste of time inquiry as it did with the "how many?" Benghazi and "emailgate" investigations of Mrs. Clinton that, even now controlling the executive and legislative branches, has produced not one indictment against her. Maybe someone thinks Booker will run against Trump for POTUS?
 
Waddy said:
Young men are done with marriage, and even having relationships. Poll after poll bears this out. There is even a movement dedicated to it; MGTOW (men going their own way). I can understand their concerns; the laws at every level are stacked against them. Any advance can be made to look like assault. Stuff gets made up. My youngest son is in management; he tells me he will not be in the same room now alone with a female worker. He does not make small talk with them. No socializing after work with women. The last couple of trips he had to make he took male employees with him. His last three hires have been male. A lot of young men are defensive aware nowadays.
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If its true that he is only taking male workers on business trips with him, then he can and should be slammed with sexual discrimination complaints/lawsuits. He should stop allowing his personal fears affect his professional judgements.
 
roguenuke said:
If its true that he is only taking male workers on business trips with him, then he can and should be slammed with sexual discrimination complaints/lawsuits. He should stop allowing his personal fears affect his professional judgements.
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Well pard, it ain't like he's telling anyone his strategy. Matter of fact, he's learned to keep his cards close to the vest in the business world these days.
 
apdst said:
Is there a point there?

Wait for it...
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Of course there is a point. You state that sexual assault that a person admits to is a crime. I pointed out that sexual assault that a person refuses to admit to is also a crime.

Not hard to understand this.
 
Waddy said:
Well pard, it ain't like he's telling anyone his strategy. Matter of fact, he's learned to keep his cards close to the vest in the business world these days.
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Eventually, it will be noticed, and you just admitted his entire reasoning is sexist, whether he thinks it is simply fear of something or not, it is still sexist. He is at risk because his reasoning is sexist and I personally feel if he doesn't change his actions, he deserves any negative consequences from his actions, including potentially being fired and/or sued.
 
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