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Which is worse? Being a political partisan and being proud about it or lying about it?

Is being unapologetically partisan worse than pretending to be non-partisan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 12.5%

  • No

    Votes: 10 62.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 4 25.0%
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    16
Unitedwestand13

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Given the highly polarized state of American politics, there are no shortage of political partisans on both sides

Here is a question that I have had on my mind

Is being open about one’s political partisanshing and not apologizing for it a negative characteristic for people to have? Or is worse to be politically partisan yet pretend to be ideologically non-partisan?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Given the highly polarized state of American politics, there are no shortage of political partisans on both sides

Here is a question that I have had on my mind

Is being open about one’s political partisanshing and not apologizing for it a negative characteristic for people to have? Or is worse to be politically partisan yet pretend to be ideologically non-partisan?
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I don't believe people need to apologize for how they think or feel.
 
Is being unapologetic about strong feelings worse than being dishonest about your feelings?

That almost seems like a trick question.

But if the question were "Is being unapologetic about racism worse than trying to hide racism?", I'd answer, "yes, it is worse".

So, it is not a gimme, depending on what it is that one's not apologetic about.


If one is unapologetic in support for a horrible cause, that is arguably worse than at least having enough shame to try not to seem so obvious about it. I can see someone arguing the other side though and saying that being in the closet about supporting a horrible cause is worse than being open about it. One could theoretically do a lot more damage by being sneaky about supporting the horrible cause. So, "other".
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Given the highly polarized state of American politics, there are no shortage of political partisans on both sides

Here is a question that I have had on my mind

Is being open about one’s political partisanshing and not apologizing for it a negative characteristic for people to have? Or is worse to be politically partisan yet pretend to be ideologically non-partisan?
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the fact that you created a thread and youre a hildabeast supporter preaching against partisan hackery is nothing short of hilarious
 
holbritter said:
I don't believe people need to apologize for how they think or feel.
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Umm... yeah, actually you most certainly do. When the things you think and feel are demonstrated to be incredibly stupid, insensitive, hateful, or hypocritical you should absolutely feel bad about that and apologize for your mistakes.
 
Neither is worse. The problem is that even within any political party or advertised political lean there are apt to be folks with serious differences of opinion.

On any given issue, e.g. UHC or income taxation, there can be vast differences on how such a system should be designed among those of sharing a common political (partisan?) label.
 
Amelia said:
Is being unapologetic about strong feelings worse than being dishonest about your feelings?

That almost seems like a trick question.

But if the question were "Is being unapologetic about racism worse than trying to hide racism?", I'd answer, "yes, it is worse".

So, it is not a gimme, depending on what it is that one's not apologetic about.


If one is unapologetic in support for a horrible cause, that is arguably worse than at least having enough shame to try not to seem so obvious about it. I can see someone arguing the other side though and saying that being in the closet about supporting a horrible cause is worse than being open about it. One could theoretically do a lot more damage by being sneaky about supporting the horrible cause. So, "other".
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If people who had racist views openly admitted that they were racist, I would appreciate the fact that they were were willing to be honest about their racist veiws and not hide behind excuses.

That line of thinking mirrors my opinion about political partisans. There are political and ideological hacks of all stripes out there, but if these people openly admitted that their political positions and beliefs were purely driven by ideological dogma, I would at least appreciate the fact that they made the choice to announce where they stand on things.

I don’t have a problem with people admitting to support a particular political faction because of idealogy, It Is when people try to hide where they stand ideologically and pretend to be “non-partisan” is what I find problematic
 
MrWonka said:
Umm... yeah, actually you most certainly do. When the things you think and feel are demonstrated to be incredibly stupid, insensitive, hateful, or hypocritical you should absolutely feel bad about that and apologize for your mistakes.
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Only if you act on those thoughts. Do we have thought police now?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Given the highly polarized state of American politics, there are no shortage of political partisans on both sides

Here is a question that I have had on my mind

Is being open about one’s political partisanshing and not apologizing for it a negative characteristic for people to have? Or is worse to be politically partisan yet pretend to be ideologically non-partisan?
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I am openly partisan in some realms. Taxation, the military, etc. I yam what I yam....
 
I try to distance myself from partisanship as much as possible, and try to listen to viewpoints from both sides of issues. But even I have my biases where I am unwilling to budge (for the most part). But that being said, I'm willing to admit when I'm on the wrong side of an issue. I'm not so stalwart to where I'll try to deny the facts of reality, like a lot of partisan hacks always do.
 
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TheGoverness said:
I try to distance myself from partisanship as much as possible, and try to listen to viewpoints from both sides of issues. But even I have my biases where I am unwilling to budge.
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That's literally, partisanship. Everyone here is partisan.
 
Didn't like Hillary and I detest Donald Trump.

Never pretended otherwise.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I am more concerned about people who are partisan but do not admit it.
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What if I told you that partisanship isn't really a thing at all? It's mostly just a word that was invented by people whose beliefs don't match well with a major party in order to convince themselves that the parties themselves are the problem.

I think a more important thing to think about is people who are ideologues but can't admit it. Libertarians and so-called independents are actually some of the worst. They're so angry about the fact that neither of the two main political parties reflects their exact ideology to perfection that they refuse to admit to the merits of one over the other no matter how obvious it is. They're so obsessed with ideological purity that they refuse to join a good team that's wrong about one little thing. They use the word partisan as a pejorative to try and make it seem like those of us willing to take a side are somehow worse than they are, but in reality, I would argue that choosing one of two sides generally indicates you're actually less ideological. It means you're willing to group yourself together with countless others even though you may not agree on everything because you know that overall it's better for the country and you're willing to work together from within to improve things.
 
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