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Whom do you believe?

Whom do you believe?

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Whom do you believe?
  • Brett Kavanaugh?
  • Christine Ford?
Please vote in the poll and use your post to explain why do you believe the person you do?


Why I believe Dr. Ford:
  • I to prep school too, and so did everyone I knew as a kid. Nothing about Ford's story sounds odd, and but for her rebuff of Brett's advance, the situation Dr. Ford describes is typical of what went on at parties.
  • We used to joke that on Friday and Saturday night, "WASP" meant white Anglo-Saxon pagan....It was good to be a white boy from a wealthy family.
  • Brett was a jock, and Christine looks to have been a rather "plain" girl. It's likely he wasn't used to getting rebuffed, especially by a "regular looking" girl. (IYAM, the only thing that prevented Chris' consent was his friend's presence. I never knew a high school girl who'd flatout have sex with someone besides us in the room.)
  • Just what do you think privileged kids' did when their parents were away? (From what I've heard of Ford's anecdote, that, or the kids having been at a friend's/sibling's fraternity party, is what I think was the situation.) The same things as when their parents were home. Literally everyone had a car and access to plenty of destinations for partying. One of my friend's family owned a rock quarry, so that was a regular place to go. Another kids' fathers owned buildings, car dealerships, construction companies, so those venues too were good party spots. Local parks were also good choices. Other kids' were diplomatic, so that always presented "opportunity," particularly since they could drink legally in their home countries, their parents didn't care if we drank with them so long as we didn't "get too out of hand." (Sometimes they'd even have us stay overnight to sleep of the buzz.) Friends who were a year older and at college were sure to invite you to a frat party or just to their school to hang out.

    Save for our being able to "do it" in our own or a guest bedroom rather than a car seat, in the basement, on/behind the bleachers, in or behind the pool/guest house, on the deck, in the hot tub, in the treehouse, in the garage, at the stables, on "Xth" green at the golf course, at Carter Baron, at the sculpture garden, etc. -- it was the '80s; public places didn't have security as they do now -- one's parents weren't an obstacle.
  • It was the early eighties. Getting alcohol, especially beer, was a problem for nobody, least of all prep school kids. (For all I know, it was that way for all 16-17 year-olds.) If you and your friends all had girlfriends, you'd even go to a college bar. As for "getting to third base" or "hitting a home run" after getting her buzzed at a bar, well, there're alleys all over D.C., especially in Georgetown.

    "Was that a rat I just saw? I don't know. You get on the car and hold your legs up just in case."
  • The bit about Brett's putting his hand over Christine's mouth reminded of a skill every guy masters by 17 (SXZ)...
  • The times were permissive of high school drinking, and among the elite crowd, more than drinking was OK so long as it didn't "make the news." For a variety of reasons, few girls like Chris would tell her parents about what'd happened. They didn't want their folks to know because that would ruin the rest of the girl's social life. High school juniors and seniors don't want to find new sets of friends, which is what would have had to happen if the girl wasn't visibly cut or bruised or something.

    Even occasionally drinking with one's teachers was something that happened. I didn't know one person (boarding or day hop kids) who, as a high school junior or senior, didn't once in a while hang out drinking with some or other of their teachers.




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(Beach Week photo)


(The guy with the mustache was Prep teacher. Some of the boys went to his bachelor party, complete with strippers.)​
 
I believe that something probably did happen. It might have happened the way she said, or maybe it was more benign.

What I also believe is that what happened shouldn't exclude him from the SCOTUS.
 
Silver spoon/white privilege syndrome much?
 
Your own personal tale has nothing to do with whether or not Kavenaugh did what he is accused of doing. Every adult male was a 17 year old boy once and likely did things they regret doing. Kavenaugh denies this ever happened and she has no evidenece that it did. She didnt mention it to any of her friends or relatives at the time and he has no pattern of such behavior. Advantage Kavenaugh.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
I believe that something probably did happen. It might have happened the way she said, or maybe it was more benign.

What I also believe is that what happened shouldn't exclude him from the SCOTUS.
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I agree with you that it probably happened or Brett was blitzed and cannot recall; his ironclad denial speaks to his fitness for the new post.
 
I believe Kavanaugh and that he will never be charged thus I believe that he will be forever innocent of the alleged crime.
 
I honestly don’t know. It is easier for me to form an opinion when there are multiple victims. When there is only one alleged victim it really is a he said/she said scenario.
 
Xelor said:
Whom do you believe?
  • Brett Kavanaugh?
  • Christine Ford?
Please vote in the poll and use your post to explain why do you believe the person you do?


Why I believe Dr. Ford:
  • I to prep school too, and so did everyone I knew as a kid. Nothing about Ford's story sounds odd, and but for her rebuff of Brett's advance, the situation Dr. Ford describes is typical of what went on at parties.
  • We used to joke that on Friday and Saturday night, "WASP" meant white Anglo-Saxon pagan....It was good to be a white boy from a wealthy family.
  • Brett was a jock, and Christine looks to have been a rather "plain" girl. It's likely he wasn't used to getting rebuffed, especially by a "regular looking" girl. (IYAM, the only thing that prevented Chris' consent was his friend's presence. I never knew a high school girl who'd flatout have sex with someone besides us in the room.)
  • Just what do you think privileged kids' did when their parents were away? (From what I've heard of Ford's anecdote, that, or the kids having been at a friend's/sibling's fraternity party, is what I think was the situation.) The same things as when their parents were home. Literally everyone had a car and access to plenty of destinations for partying. One of my friend's family owned a rock quarry, so that was a regular place to go. Another kids' fathers owned buildings, car dealerships, construction companies, so those venues too were good party spots. Local parks were also good choices. Other kids' were diplomatic, so that always presented "opportunity," particularly since they could drink legally in their home countries, their parents didn't care if we drank with them so long as we didn't "get too out of hand." (Sometimes they'd even have us stay overnight to sleep of the buzz.) Friends who were a year older and at college were sure to invite you to a frat party or just to their school to hang out.

    Save for our being able to "do it" in our own or a guest bedroom rather than a car seat, in the basement, on/behind the bleachers, in or behind the pool/guest house, on the deck, in the hot tub, in the treehouse, in the garage, at the stables, on "Xth" green at the golf course, at Carter Baron, at the sculpture garden, etc. -- it was the '80s; public places didn't have security as they do now -- one's parents weren't an obstacle.
  • It was the early eighties. Getting alcohol, especially beer, was a problem for nobody, least of all prep school kids. (For all I know, it was that way for all 16-17 year-olds.) If you and your friends all had girlfriends, you'd even go to a college bar. As for "getting to third base" or "hitting a home run" after getting her buzzed at a bar, well, there're alleys all over D.C., especially in Georgetown.

    "Was that a rat I just saw? I don't know. You get on the car and hold your legs up just in case."
    [*]The bit about Brett's putting his hand over Christine's mouth reminded of a skill every guy masters by 17 (SXZ)...
  • The times were permissive of high school drinking, and among the elite crowd, more than drinking was OK so long as it didn't "make the news." For a variety of reasons, few girls like Chris would tell her parents about what'd happened. They didn't want their folks to know because that would ruin the rest of the girl's social life. High school juniors and seniors don't want to find new sets of friends, which is what would have had to happen if the girl wasn't visibly cut or bruised or something.

    Even occasionally drinking with one's teachers was something that happened. I didn't know one person (boarding or day hop kids) who, as a high school junior or senior, didn't once in a while hang out drinking with some or other of their teachers.




christine-blasey.jpg


i-thought-he-might-inadvertently-kill-me-brett-kavanaugh-accuser-goes-public-with-her-story-7.jpg


i-thought-he-might-inadvertently-kill-me-brett-kavanaugh-accuser-goes-public-with-her-story-4.jpg

(Beach Week photo)


(The guy with the mustache was Prep teacher. Some of the boys went to his bachelor party, complete with strippers.)​
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That’s a bit telling; not something I was taught...(your bolded-I can’t do color)


WTF is SXZ?
 
Fletch said:
Your own personal tale has nothing to do with whether or not Kavenaugh did what he is accused of doing. Every adult male was a 17 year old boy once and likely did things they regret doing. Kavenaugh denies this ever happened and she has no evidenece that it did. She didnt mention it to any of her friends or relatives at the time and he has no pattern of such behavior. Advantage Kavenaugh.
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Add to this ^, the flakiness of her story...can't remember what year it happened, what month it happened, what day it happened...what season it happened...where it happened or who was there, except for the other guy she says was in the room who says it never happened.

But hey...she remembers exactly what supposedly happened.

No...I don't think she's credible at all.
 
Fletch said:
Your own personal tale has nothing to do with whether or not Kavenaugh did what he is accused of doing. Every adult male was a 17 year old boy once and likely did things they regret doing. Kavenaugh denies this ever happened and she has no evidenece that it did. She didnt mention it to any of her friends or relatives at the time and he has no pattern of such behavior. Advantage Kavenaugh.
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Red:
True. My anecdote was offered to share how what Dr. Ford says happened, based on my experiences as a prep school kid, doesn't, to me, at all seem implausible.


Blue:
There's no question that's so of many adults, men and women. What's far less typical is that one went so far as to have committed a criminal act such as sexual assault. There were plenty of times when we kids got into things we shouldn't have and wouldn't advise anyone to do. There were plenty of happenstances that came close to crossing a line, but that didn't cross the line. Pretty much without exception, when things went too far -- regardless of what were the activities that did so -- excessive drinking boosting teenagers' bravado/insouciance is what made it happen.



Note:
Say whatever suits you, but I won't engage further with you on this.
 
Fletch said:
Your own personal tale has nothing to do with whether or not Kavenaugh did what he is accused of doing. Every adult male was a 17 year old boy once and likely did things they regret doing. Kavenaugh denies this ever happened and she has no evidenece that it did. She didnt mention it to any of her friends or relatives at the time and he has no pattern of such behavior. Advantage Kavenaugh.
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If Kavanaugh denies he did anything, then your argument of anything he did that he regrets when he was 17 is immaterial.
 
Rexedgar said:
That’s a bit telling; not something I was taught...(your bolded-I can’t do color)


WTF is SXZ?
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Red:
It's not something one is taught. It's something that, when the need presents itself, one discovers/susses.


Blue:
"Self-eXplanatory Zone" --> Translates as "for obvious reasons..."
 
Mycroft said:
Add to this ^, the flakiness of her story...can't remember what year it happened, what month it happened, what day it happened...what season it happened...where it happened or who was there, except for the other guy she says was in the room who says it never happened.

But hey...she remembers exactly what supposedly happened.

No...I don't think she's credible at all.
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I can remember all kinds of **** that went on at HS parties, but dates and places, not so much. Don't think it's that uncommon.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I honestly don’t know. It is easier for me to form an opinion when there are multiple victims. When there is only one alleged victim it really is a he said/she said scenario.
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If the Democrats have any chance, there are other “shoes to drop.....”
 
Xelor said:
Red:
It's not something one is taught. It's something that, when the need presents itself, one discovers/susses.


Blue:
"Self-eXplanatory Zone" --> Translates as "for obvious reasons..."
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How many times did you use what you had “sussed?”
 
I neither believe nor disbelieve either party. I know too little about what happened to make a definitive stance.
 
Mycroft said:
Add to this ^, the flakiness of her story...can't remember what year it happened, what month it happened, what day it happened...what season it happened...where it happened or who was there, except for the other guy she says was in the room who says it never happened.

But hey...she remembers exactly what supposedly happened.

No...I don't think she's credible at all.
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She KNOWS she's lying about the entire ordeal. If she goes under oath, she'll be lying with every word
she says. She'll open herself up to a slander suit the likes most of us have never seen. She can't
seem to keep the details of all of her lies straight, which would be an easy thing to pick apart by
even someone whose sometimes ineffective like Trey Gowdy.

The Dems will do anything. Nothing is beneath them - even manipulating a woman who is
clearly mentally unstable. She is to be pitied.
 
Winchester said:
I can remember all kinds of **** that went on at HS parties, but dates and places, not so much. Don't think it's that uncommon.
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Same here. But usually if something traumatic or highly out of the ordinary happens then those details tend to stand out more. Though I’m not saying that is always the case.
 
slick said:
She KNOWS she's lying about the entire ordeal. If she goes under oath, she'll be lying with every word
she says. She'll open herself up to a slander suit the likes most of us have never seen. She can't
seem to keep the details of all of her lies straight, which would be an easy thing to pick apart by
even someone whose sometimes ineffective like Trey Gowdy.

The Dems will do anything. Nothing is beneath them - even manipulating a woman who is
clearly mentally unstable. She is to be pitied.
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This kind of rhetoric is why America can't have nice things.
 
I will hold my judgment until I see the hearing.
 
I'd like to hear them explain in their own words what happened and/or didn't happen.

No preconceived notions here.
 
TheGoverness said:
I neither believe nor disbelieve either party. I know too little about what happened to make a definitive stance.
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You won't know any more after the 'show trial' either. She says X and he says no X - that is not going to change.
 
I don't doubt she experienced attempted rape. I simply doubt her recollection of WHO attempted it, and further, find the timing awfully convenient for democrats who are opposed to anything and everything Trump does.
 
Once everybody is under oath (and Mark Judge absolutely needs to testify, btw), then we'll be on a bit firmer ground.
 
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