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If Ford Refuses To Testify, Should Her Claims Be Dismissed In the Kavanaugh Hearings?

If Ford Refuses To Testify, Should Her Claims Be Dismissed In the Kavanaugh Hearings?

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ataraxia said:
The dems let Garland go when the GOP just turned their noses up at him, for who knows what purpose. Here we have suspicion of rape. And they don’t want to even take an extra week to look into it. This is not pay back. This is your country you’re throwing in the toilet. Knock your self out. As long as you show them liberals, huh?
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Sure, and thats what you want right? You just want to be the one doing it.
 
jonny5 said:
Sure, and thats what you want right? You just want to be the one doing it.
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I am not the one pushing to rush through a potential rapist to the highest court in the land.
 
ataraxia said:
The dems let Garland go when the GOP just turned their noses up at him, for who knows what purpose. Here we have suspicion of rape. And they don’t want to even take an extra week to look into it. This is not pay back. This is your country you’re throwing in the toilet. Knock your self out. As long as you show them liberals, huh?
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No, that is 100% false. There is NO "suspicion of rape." No matter how many times some Democrats tell that false claim, it remains 100% false. There is NO allegation of rape or even attempted rape.
 
ataraxia said:
I am not the one pushing to rush through a potential rapist to the highest court in the land.
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Everyone is a "potential rapist." :roll:
 
To this day, Dr. Ford has REFUSED to sign any affidavit or sworn statement and continues to REFUSE to meet with ANY investigators, including Congressional investigators for Democrats on the Committee. She has refused to be questioned publicly by the media. She has provided no proof that she ever even met Justice Kavanaugh. There is literally ZERO evidence of any kind - none, nada, zero - that has been presented and NO details of any kind that can be investigated.

Despite this, so far there are members with a public vote in the poll that still want the Congressional committee to consider her unsworn accusation. You can look at the poll results for who.

Dare I mention they are outspoken Democrats often posting ranting, insulting, accusatory and sneering messages against President Trump, Republicans and conservatives? Think that might be relevant to how people are voting in this poll?
 
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ataraxia said:
I am not the one pushing to rush through a potential rapist to the highest court in the land.
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For **** sake, when you outright distort, it makes any claims that this isn't purely political on your part extremely weak.

Even if her claims of what happened are 100% true, it STILL would not make him a rapist according to either the law or the colloquial use of the term. There was never any attempt at of sexual entry. Sexual assault, or as it'd be known in Maryland law a sexual offense of the third degree? Yes, if her story is 100% accurate and true, it'd be that. But it's not rape.

Now I don't know about you, but I think Sexual Assault is a pretty damn serious crime and serious action. However, you not only minimize it's problematic nature, but you also weaken your own legitimacy, when you attempt to accuse and paint him as being guilty or "potentially" guilty of something even worse in order to bolster your attack.
 
If Ford refuses to testify, her claims shouldn't be outright dismissed. However, the hearing shouldn't be delayed any further and her refusal should be taken into consideration along with all other information pertaining to this incident when senators are considering their votes on the matter IF they're going to consider this particular issue in any fashion to begin with.
 
Because her short letter is not notarized, not sworn to and clearly she refuses to give any sworn statement in writing or even to Democrat Congressional investigators, there literally is ZERO evidenced before Congress. NO law enforcement agency and NO government investigation will proceed on an accusation if the accuser REFUSES to swear to its truth either in writing or under oath verbally. Because she steadfastly REFUSES to make her statement a sworn statement, that she could do with her lawyer's assistance, and her lawyer 100% understands no affidavit means NO evidence whatsoever, means there is NOTHING before Congress or any law enforcement or investigatory agency.

Go to the police with ANY accusation - and then refuse to sign a statement that your accusation is true - and see how far that goes? Try to get a summary judgment in ANY civil court or in ANY governmental administrative hearing without any supporting affidavit - and lose instantly.

Does truth, justice, due process mean ANYTHING within the Democratic Party anymore? Or is it all now all just slogans and ideological dogma absolutism demands of total dehumanization in pursuit of every possible social and demographic division based upon pure prejudices and raw hatreds?
 
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The principal of the right to face your accuser is far to often sidestepped. I think Kavanaugh has that right, I don't like the SOB, but if he doesn't have fundamental rights none of us do.
 
If she does not advise by tomorrow (Friday) by 10 am that she will attend, the Monday hearing should be cancelled. No one has to defend again a non-existent accuser. The accusation always is presented first. If she is not there to present her accusation, there is nothing for Kavanaugh to defend against given her refusal to make any SWORN statement.
 
Cardinal said:
The reason why women wait to accuse their attackers is contained within every post by pretty much every Republican on this topic.
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Bullcrap. Waiting makes it less believable.
 
It has become very obvious today that Dr. Ford WILL NOT refuse to testify and welcomes the opportunity. But she will not be dictated to in a take it or leave it manner and wants to make sure her appearance is fair and above board.

That is something she has a right to do and I would hope all people who want the truth out of this will support that effort.

I would like to see her testify mid week and to see other witnesses also testify. I would include Mr. Judge in that group as well as the therapists for Dr. Ford and her own husband.
 
ataraxia said:
It's not discrediting. It just is what it is. The Republicans refused to even hear Merrick Garland as a nominee. That was unprecedented in American history, and unethical, if not downright illegal.

But that's fine. Obama did not press the issue, because he is a gentleman.
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That is a very nice polite way to put it.

A different way would be that Obama far too often brought a pillow to a gun fight.
 
What are you talking about??

I wrote:

holbritter said:
Don't wait 30+ years to do so and it will be more believable.
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You replied:
Cardinal said:
The reason why women wait to accuse their attackers is contained within every post by pretty much every Republican on this topic.
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I answered:
holbritter said:
Bullcrap. Waiting makes it less believable.
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Your response:
Cardinal said:
"Why don't these lying whores attack the reputations of these fine men sooner?"
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That's a perfect example of why you shouldn't wait. So I said:

holbritter said:
Correct. If they came forward sooner.
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Which brings us to this that you threw in:

Cardinal said:
The lack of self awareness on your part is deserving of an opera.
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Seriously, if you don't understand what I mean, just ask instead of insulting. (You too haymarket)
 
holbritter said:
What are you talking about??

I wrote:



You replied:


I answered:


Your response:


That's a perfect example of why you shouldn't wait. So I said:



Which brings us to this that you threw in:




Seriously, if you don't understand what I mean, just ask instead of insulting. (You too haymarket)
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At every step of the process in this conversation the reason why women are reluctant to come forward sooner is contained within each of your posts.
 
Cardinal said:
At every step of the process in this conversation the reason why women are reluctant to come forward sooner is contained within each of your posts.
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Still not making sense, so whatever. Done here.
 
holbritter said:
Still not making sense, so whatever. Done here.
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It makes perfect sense if you were able to imagine that being in her shoes, and if you knew in advance that every Republican's response in the country would be aimed at you.

To which you may say, "Except that I would come forward sooner," which would be forgetting that your accusation, when made public, would meet the automatic assumption that you were lying.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Does this mean you like Biden now?
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I cannot speak for cpwill, but when it comes to Biden's coherent and cogent personal standard for deciding whether to believe a serious accusation or not, absolutely.
 
ataraxia said:
I am not the one pushing to rush through a potential rapist to the highest court in the land.
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But you WANT to be the one running over your politicial opponents right? You want the GOP to do this so you have a reason to do it to them.
 
joko104 said:
If she does not advise by tomorrow (Friday) by 10 am that she will attend, the Monday hearing should be cancelled. No one has to defend again a non-existent accuser. The accusation always is presented first. If she is not there to present her accusation, there is nothing for Kavanaugh to defend against given her refusal to make any SWORN statement.
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Why even take a statement? What does her accusation about some behavior when they were teens have to do with him being a Justice 35 years later? Is she saying he hasnt changed? She told her story in public. Its got nothing to do with his nomination.
 
cpwill said:
Ford and her lawyer have apparently gone comms dark and refused to respond to multiple invitations to actually come testify, despite earlier announcing their willingness to do so. Kavanaugh asked to testify and is apparently scheduled for Monday.


If Ford refuses to testify, is that discrediting to the argument that her case is powerful enough to justify derailing the Kavanaugh vote?
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She should be subpoenaed. You just can't raise a **** storm like this and then walk away with impunity.

America needs to get up close and personal with the new democrat socialist party.

I can't believe there are 25% of the people here believe her claims should be believed when she won't testify to them. So far it's all bar talk, but good enough for the loony left.
 
chuckiechan said:
She should be subpoenaed. You just can't raise a **** storm like this and then walk away with impunity.

America needs to get up close and personal with the new democrat socialist party.

I can't believe there are 25% of the people here believe her claims should be believed when she won't testify to them. So far it's all bar talk, but good enough for the loony left.
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She shouldn,t be subpoena. Why would the federal congress care what a 50 yr old federal judge may or may not have attempted to do when he was 17? Other than political games. Bill Clinton allegedly raped someone. Ted Kennedy allegedly murdered someone. There were no investigations nor should there have been by the federal govt decades later.
 
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