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Your thoughts on Indian reservations

Are you for or against Indian reservations?

  • I voted Hillary. I am for reservations, though they may need improvement.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I voted Hillary. Indian reservations should be abolished.

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • I voted Trump. I am for reservations, though they may need improvement.

    Votes: 8 66.7%

  • I voted Trump. Indian reservations should be abolished.

    Votes: 3 25.0%
  • Total voters
    12
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I often use Indians as a proxy to get to the root of the black/white racial discussion. I have a guess as to what the results will be. I'm very interested in your reasoning behind your choice.
 
Rickeroo said:
I often use Indians as a proxy to get to the root of the black/white racial discussion. I have a guess as to what the results will be. I'm very interested in your reasoning behind your choice.
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The sovereign status of Indian reservations has allowed casino development and large profits to the Indians that don't gamble. Poetic justice as they pick the pockets of widows, weak-minded, ignoramuses, addicts, and others that live in a dream World. OTOH, if we're not going to return land we stole from them, they have entitlement.
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I think they need to be integrated into society where ever possible.

If you have ever been around an Indian reservation, most are complete a total rat holes. Death by Oxycontin is the only merciful way out for most of them.
 
I voted for neither Hillary nor Trump and think that tribal ownership of land is fine. Unless you are proposing reservations for black/white people then I see no racial proxy parallel.
 
I think they are a tragedy of history. I do think they need to make a choice on wether they are completely separate or integrated though. Just like the other territories, I don’t this second class status that comes with it.
 
The entire deal in both the US and Canada needs to be renegotiated because clearly it does not work.
 
It is as if people are wanting to do more to what is left of North American Indians. One of the worst genocides in human history, largely ignored by the history books, and here we are debating removal of reservations? How white does this nation need to be to make some of you happy?
 
I regret (for the sake of your inquiry, not for myself or anyone else) to say I don't have a general opinion -- i.e., for or against -- about Native American reservations.
 
I'm more interested in hearing what American Indians on reservations think than what other people think. American Indians are in the news maybe once or twice per year at most, and rarer still does it have anything to do with reservations.

Caucasians are more qualified to talk about racism against black people than they are to talk about reservations.
 
Thanks all so far for the posts, they have been far more helpful than the poll. It's still early, but so far the vast majority appear to be for maintaining Indian reservations, as recompense for past wrongs.
 
Rickeroo said:
I often use Indians as a proxy to get to the root of the black/white racial discussion. I have a guess as to what the results will be. I'm very interested in your reasoning behind your choice.
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For those of us using Tapatalk, you might consider reiterating the poll in the OP. We cannot see it otherwise.

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DaveFagan said:
The sovereign status of Indian reservations has allowed casino development and large profits to the Indians that don't gamble. Poetic justice as they pick the pockets of widows, weak-minded, ignoramuses, addicts, and others that live in a dream World. OTOH, if we're not going to return land we stole from them, they have entitlement.
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"We" didn't steal nothing.... That's what I don't get... that was 400 years ago, no one alive stole anything from anyone xD.... hey.... maybe YOU did, but I certainly didn't.
 
I live close to about five or six Native American reservation and one land trust and have read many accounts on the subject by early settlers.
Three or four casinos...one actually on the reservation and it is now being moved and being build off site because no alcohol is allowed on Indian land the rest are not on Indian land but on Trust land which alcohol can be served.
Indians who live and work full time on the Res are not subject to fed taxes have res schools and HC provided by the fed government.
Nearly all the Res are junk yards and it seems that a broken down rusting car is landscaping to them. Tar paper shacks are everywhere on some of the poorer Res.
Now something most people don't know. American Indians practiced slavery for hundred of years and the last slave in my state died in the 1920's. Cannibalism was practice until the early 19th century. Prostitution of captured slaves and large scale slave trade was practiced almost into the 20th century.

In my opinion the treaties should be abolished and Res land give back to the tribe free and clear without restrictions to what they want to do with it. American natives should assimilate with the rest of the population.
 
My bad. I find that I can't edit the OP. Here it is:

I voted Hillary. I am for reservations, though they may need improvement.

I voted Hillary. Indian reservations should be abolished.

I voted Trump. I am for reservations, though they may need improvement.

I voted Trump. Indian reservations should be abolished.
 
celticwar17 said:
"We" didn't steal nothing.... That's what I don't get... that was 400 years ago, no one alive stole anything from anyone xD.... hey.... maybe YOU did, but I certainly didn't.
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Nobody said you did.
 
Rickeroo said:
I often use Indians as a proxy to get to the root of the black/white racial discussion. I have a guess as to what the results will be. I'm very interested in your reasoning behind your choice.
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Easy to explain, it's government sanctioned oppression of a minority that's been going on in the U.S. for many, many decades. It was Trumps favorite president, Andrew Jackson that decided to round up all the Cherokee tribe, take away all their property East of the Mississippi, and forced them all West by foot in the middle of winter to a remote area of Oklahoma. The 'Trail of Tears' is only one small example of how horrid this country has treated native Americans. Their misery doesn't end with the Trail of Tears either. The treatment of native American Indians is a historic lesson regarding the morality of this country.

Anyone that has traveled to the Navajo Indian reservations in Arizona has seen that the reservations are places where the Navajo were forced to remain in abject poverty, totally forgotten and completely mistreated by history. And yes, the U.S. Government stole everything from them and land was only one, their dignity was another.

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Americans really do need to rethink the whole concept of reservations. You could not come up with a more insulting and degrading way of treating the aborigines of america than to reduce them to squatters on land chosen by some one else.

The land belongs to them. All government owned land should be given back. Land being sold should allow for the indigenous first right of purchase. Purchases made by governments should be relooked at and a fair price negotiated rather than the acceptance of whatever unfair price was forced upon them.
 
HumblePi said:
Easy to explain, it's government sanctioned oppression of a minority that's been going on in the U.S. for many, many decades. It was Trumps favorite president, Andrew Jackson that decided to round up all the Cherokee tribe, take away all their property East of the Mississippi, and forced them all West by foot in the middle of winter to a remote area of Oklahoma. The 'Trail of Tears' is only one small example of how horrid this country has treated native Americans. Their misery doesn't end with the Trail of Tears either. The treatment of native American Indians is a historic lesson regarding the morality of this country.

Anyone that has traveled to the Navajo Indian reservations in Arizona has seen that the reservations are places where the Navajo were forced to remain in abject poverty, totally forgotten and completely mistreated by history. And yes, the U.S. Government stole everything from them and land was only one, their dignity was another.

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Correct, but I'm unclear on your position of maintaining the reservations.
 
Rickeroo said:
Correct, but I'm unclear on your position of maintaining the reservations.
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I was pretty clear in my vote, I voted to abolish Indian reservations based on the U.S. Declaration of Independence. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."
 
HumblePi said:
I was pretty clear in my vote, I voted to abolish Indian reservations based on the U.S. Declaration of Independence. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."
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Ah! Sorry I missed it. Indeed, the 14th is clear - equal treatment under the law. The Indians are US citizens, therefore they are entitled to equal treatment. Such is not the case, and it's why the reservation system is a mess.

I'll post another poll shortly that will get people to consider how important equal treatment actually is.
 
Rickeroo said:
I often use Indians as a proxy to get to the root of the black/white racial discussion. I have a guess as to what the results will be. I'm very interested in your reasoning behind your choice.
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Why would I vote after your explanation? I have no idea if you have any accurate views of the status and purposes of Native American reservations or not.
 
chuckiechan said:
I think they need to be integrated into society where ever possible.

If you have ever been around an Indian reservation, most are complete a total rat holes. Death by Oxycontin is the only merciful way out for most of them.
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They do have that choice.

And yes I have and that's not what I've found.
 
Rickeroo said:
Ah! Sorry I missed it. Indeed, the 14th is clear - equal treatment under the law. The Indians are US citizens, therefore they are entitled to equal treatment. Such is not the case, and it's why the reservation system is a mess.

I'll post another poll shortly that will get people to consider how important equal treatment actually is.
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Sure, maybe remind people in your next post that the Native American Indians were here first and we're all (every one of us) immigrants to this country.
 
Lursa said:
Why would I vote after your explanation? I have no idea if you have any accurate views of the status and purposes of Native American reservations or not.
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My views don't matter, it is your view that I'm interested in. The poll questions are pretty straightforward.
 
Rickeroo said:
My views don't matter, it is your view that I'm interested in. The poll questions are pretty straightforward.
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Of course it matters to you. You wrote that you will be judging all the responses to determine a degree of racism.

I'm just mentioning that, based on what I read, I dont accept your qualifications for that judgement, so decided not to vote.
 
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