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Fear

have you read bob Woodward's book Fear

  • yes republican

    Votes: 1 2.2%

  • yes democrat

    Votes: 5 11.1%

  • no republican

    Votes: 6 13.3%

  • no democrat

    Votes: 7 15.6%

  • yes independent

    Votes: 5 11.1%

  • no independent

    Votes: 21 46.7%
  • Total voters
    45
  • Poll closed .
Fenton said:
Cognitive dissonance and bias is buying into any and every negative report about Trump at face value.
Cognitive bias is why Michael Wolff's book " Fire and Fury " became a best seller, and why CNN and Carl Bernstein can publish a fake news story about Trump having prior knowledge of the Trump tower meeting and not be held accountable for it.

Bernstein reported Lanny Davis wasn't his source in CNNs fake news story about Trump Tower and Davis exposed him and his lack of journalist integrity.
CNN still hasn't retracted the story
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First you assume that's what everyone is doing. The opposite is mostly true. The evidence is so massive, so overwhelming that it is difficult to ignore. And there is no evidence of anything in the book is false. You mistake denials or own claim as being evidence of something being false. You merely willing to believe it despite the overwhelming evidence of the what is going on inside the WH. It has been reported from day one by multiple sources. it takes cognitive dissonance at this point to ignore it.
 
jghiretire said:
So you don't remember "All the President's Men"???
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Trump's is also Putin's puppet ( Debunked ) and had prior knowledge of the Trump tower meeting. ( Debunked )
As a candidate he also directed Flynn to meet with the Russians ( Debunked )

If Trump is so obviously a crook then why are media outlets and journalist like Woodward, Bernstein and CNN resorting to publishing lies ? And why do you people keep falling for those lies ??
 
Fenton said:
Trump's is also Putin's puppet ( Debunked ) and had prior knowledge of the Trump tower meeting. ( Debunked )
As a candidate he also directed Flynn to meet with the Russians ( Debunked )

If Trump is so obviously a crook then why are media outlets and journalist like Woodward, Bernstein and CNN resorting to publishing lies ? And why do you people keep falling for those lies ??
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Debunked? No, not really.
 
Boo Radley said:
First you assume that's what everyone is doing. The opposite is mostly true. The evidence is so massive, so overwhelming that it is difficult to ignore. And there is no evidence of anything in the book is false. You mistake denials or own claim as being evidence of something being false. You merely willing to believe it despite the overwhelming evidence of the what is going on inside the WH. It has been reported from day one by multiple sources. it takes cognitive dissonance at this point to ignore it.
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What massive and overwhelming evidence ??? A bunch of fake news stories and a manufactured Russian collusion conspiracy narrative isn't evidence.

If the media had " overwhelming and massive " evidence they wouldn't resort to destroying what little credibility they had by publishing straight up fake news
 
Fenton said:
What massive and overwhelming evidence ??? A bunch of fake news stories and a manufactured Russian collusion conspiracy narrative isn't evidence.

If the media had " overwhelming and massive " evidence they wouldn't resort to destroying what little credibility they had by publishing straight up fake news
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Snort!
La la la la la la la la la.
 
Boo Radley said:
Debunked? No, not really.
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Yep, Russian collusion was OBVIOUSLY a manufactured conspiracy theory meant to first undermine Trump's candidacy and then to cover for the Obama administration spying on and unmasking a opposition candidate and campaign for Political purposes

CNNs story on Trump having prior knowledge of the Trump tower meeting was debunked when Lanny Davis was forced to admit Michael Cohen DID NOT have any information that could prove Trump knew before hand

Brian Ross committed professional suicide and was suspended by ABC for his erroneous report on Michael Flynn and Lanny Davis revealed he WAS the source of the erroneous CNN Trump tower story which makes Carl Bernstein a liar and a hack
Niether Bernstein or CNN has the journalist integrity to retract that story

You people might enjoy being lied to and being fed propaganda by the media but anyone not suffering from a terminal case of TDS finds it offensive and patronizing.
 
Fenton said:
What massive and overwhelming evidence ??? A bunch of fake news stories and a manufactured Russian collusion conspiracy narrative isn't evidence.

If the media had " overwhelming and massive " evidence they wouldn't resort to destroying what little credibility they had by publishing straight up fake news
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NO, real news, real reports, and real evidence. Like I said, only cognitive dissanace explains why his supporters can't see it and are so willing to believe anything he says.
 
Fenton said:
Yep, Russian collusion was OBVIOUSLY a manufactured conspiracy theory meant to first undermine Trump's candidacy and then to cover for the Obama administration spying on and unmasking a opposition candidate and campaign for Political purposes

CNNs story on Trump having prior knowledge of the Trump tower meeting was debunked when Lanny Davis was forced to admit Michael Cohen DID NOT have any information that could prove Trump knew before hand

Brian Ross committed professional suicide and was suspended by ABC for his erroneous report on Michael Flynn and Lanny Davis revealed he WAS the source of the erroneous CNN Trump tower story which makes Carl Bernstein a liar and a hack
Niether Bernstein or CNN has the journalist integrity to retract that story

You people might enjoy being lied to and being fed propaganda by the media but anyone not suffering from a terminal case of TDS finds it offensive and patronizing.
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No Russia has not been proven obvious anything. The was and still are questions. Nothing on that has been settle. But Trump jr admits ot meeting with them, which is by definition collusion. However that's not the crime. We'll see where that leads. But the only things mad up are coming from Trump and his people.

And no, CNN's story has not been debunked. Sorry. Read what it really says.

You are completely mistaken concern CNN and Berstine. You're likely swallowing a fake source. But you're factually incorrect.

The one being lied to is you. And it is large problem of the day for our country is that you and those like you eat the fake stuff up so easily. Studying it is becoming a science. Trump supporters seem unable to tell truth from fiction.
 
Boo Radley said:
Debunked? No, not really.
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Yep, Russian collusion was OBVIOUSLY a manufactured conspiracy theory meant to first undermine Trump's candidacy and then to cover for the Obama administration spying on and unmasking a opposition candidate and campaign for Political purposes

CNNs story on Trump having prior knowledge of the Trump tower meeting was debunked when Lanny Davis was forced to admit Michael Cohen DID NOT have any information that could prove Trump knew before hand

Brian Ross committed professional suicide and was suspended by ABC for his erroneous report on Michael Flynn and Lanny Davis revealed he WAS the source of the erroneous CNN Trump tower story which makes Carl Bernstein a liar and a hack
Niether Bernstein or CNN has the journalist integrity to retract that story

You people might enjoy being lied to and being fed propaganda by the media but anyone not suffering from a terminal case of TDS finds it offensive and patronizing.
 
marke said:
Was the writer a good patriot or a stinking "I say God#### America" commie punk?
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Just a credible journalist. Nothing more or less.
 
Lursa said:
Your description of the book as partisan is not accurate. There are times when Trump is given credit where credit is due (altho uncommon since he rarely earned it) and he pulls no punches on the Obama administration. He doesnt do Obama any favors, that's for sure. But when it comes to what Trump "inherited" he's very forthcoming.

And he does a great deal of corroboration on his interviews and quotes.
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He is a leftist who is going to filter everything through his leftist point of view. And if he assumes Trump 'inherited' all or most of the good things happening in the country that the President can claim thus far, that comes from pure partisanship.
 
marke said:
A "credible" journalist by whose standards, Rush Limbaugh's?
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Nope. Outside of partisan silliness, he universally recognized as credible.
 
Boo Radley said:
No Russia has not been proven obvious anything. The was and still are questions. Nothing on that has been settle. But Trump jr admits ot meeting with them, which is by definition collusion. However that's not the crime. We'll see where that leads. But the only things mad up are coming from Trump and his people.
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Resignations, Demotions & Some Details – Complicity at the FBI & DOJ

https://themarketswork.com/2018/02/18/resignations-demotions-some-details-complicity-at-the-fbi-doj/


Democrats' and media's Trump-Russia collusion narrative falls apart

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/27/democrats-and-medias-trump-russia-collusion-narrat/



Boo Radley said:
And no, CNN's story has not been debunked. Sorry. Read what it really says.

You are completely mistaken concern CNN and Berstine. You're likely swallowing a fake source. But you're factually incorrect.
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Lanny Davis says he was wrong about Trump Tower meeting and Cohen
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Boo Radley said:
Boo Radley said:
The one being lied to is you. And it is large problem of the day for our country is that you and those like you eat the fake stuff up so easily. Studying it is becoming a science. Trump supporters seem unable to tell truth from fiction.
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Lol !

ABC News apologizes for ‘serious error’ in Trump report and suspends Brian Ross for four weeks
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/12/03/abc-news-apologizes-for-serious-error-in-trump-report-suspends-brian-ross-for-four-weeks/?utm_term=.2b49f19abd6b


NYTs Busted for Peddling Fake News...
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/05/29/new_york_times_busted_for_peddling_fake_news_443428.html


New York Times backtracks on a tale about some expensive curtains
https://www.washingtonpost.com/


Mueller's office attacked The New York Times and The Washington Post for 'inaccurately' reporting on his investigation
https://www.businessinsider.com/robert-mueller-attacks-ny-times-washpost-for-inaccurate-reports-2018-6
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Fenton said:
Resignations, Demotions & Some Details – Complicity at the FBI & DOJ

https://themarketswork.com/2018/02/18/resignations-demotions-some-details-complicity-at-the-fbi-doj/


Democrats' and media's Trump-Russia collusion narrative falls apart

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/27/democrats-and-medias-trump-russia-collusion-narrat/





Lanny Davis says he was wrong about Trump Tower meeting and Cohen
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Boo Radley said:
Lol !

ABC News apologizes for ‘serious error’ in Trump report and suspends Brian Ross for four weeks
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/12/03/abc-news-apologizes-for-serious-error-in-trump-report-suspends-brian-ross-for-four-weeks/?utm_term=.2b49f19abd6b


NYTs Busted for Peddling Fake News...
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/05/29/new_york_times_busted_for_peddling_fake_news_443428.html


New York Times backtracks on a tale about some expensive curtains
https://www.washingtonpost.com/


Mueller's office attacked The New York Times and The Washington Post for 'inaccurately' reporting on his investigation
https://www.businessinsider.com/robert-mueller-attacks-ny-times-washpost-for-inaccurate-reports-2018-6
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You're making mistakes in interpretation. Minor mistakes don't equal debunking. Nothing has been debunked. There has been much thrown around, but the core facts and possible charges have not changed. You're looking for things to cling to and mistakeningly think they equal debunking. Sorry. It doesn't hold up and the investigation continues.
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Why pay money for Woodward to tell us what we pretty much already know?
 
Fenton said:
Lol !! If you've already read " Fire and Fury " then why bother ?
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Based on Woodward and others of his ilk to use many 'anonymous' sources, that automatically makes it suspect in my opinion.

Already we have two on the record rebuttals of passages cited as 'authentic' in the book:

General Mattis, Secretary of Defense:

. . .And the response from Defense Secretary Jim Mattis:

"The contemptuous words about the President attributed to me in Woodward's book were never uttered by me or in my presence. While I generally enjoy reading fiction, this is a uniquely Washington brand of literature, and his anonymous sources do not lend credibility.

"While responsible policy making in the real world is inherently messy, it is also essential that we challenge every assumption to find the best option. I embrace such debate and the open competition of ideas. In just over a year, these robust discussions and deliberations have yielded significant results, including the near annihilation of the ISIS caliphate, unprecedented burden sharing by our NATO allies, the repatriation of US service member remains from North Korea, and the improved readiness of our armed forces. Our defense policies have also enjoyed overwhelming bipartisan support in Congress.

"In serving in this administration, the idea that I would show contempt for the elected Commander-in-Chief president Trump, or tolerate disrespect to the office of the President from within [our] Department of Defense, is a product of someone's rich imagination." . . .​

From Chief of Staff Kelly:

. . .Kelly's response:

"The idea I ever called the President an idiot is not true. As I stated back in May and still firmly stand behind: 'I spend more time with the President than anyone else, and we have an incredibly candid and strong relationship. He always knows where I stand, and he and I both know this story is total BS. I'm committed to the President, his agenda, and our country. This is another pathetic attempt to smear people close to President Trump and distract from the administration's many successes'." . . ,​
https://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-trump-bob-woodward-fear-book-fabricated-2018-9

Of course such remarks are being ignored by the MSM that is applauding the book and heralding it as the greatest expose' of all time.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Based on Woodward and others of his ilk to use many 'anonymous' sources, that automatically makes it suspect in my opinion.

Already we have two on the record rebuttals of passages cited as 'authentic' in the book:

General Mattis, Secretary of Defense:

. . .And the response from Defense Secretary Jim Mattis:

"The contemptuous words about the President attributed to me in Woodward's book were never uttered by me or in my presence. While I generally enjoy reading fiction, this is a uniquely Washington brand of literature, and his anonymous sources do not lend credibility.

"While responsible policy making in the real world is inherently messy, it is also essential that we challenge every assumption to find the best option. I embrace such debate and the open competition of ideas. In just over a year, these robust discussions and deliberations have yielded significant results, including the near annihilation of the ISIS caliphate, unprecedented burden sharing by our NATO allies, the repatriation of US service member remains from North Korea, and the improved readiness of our armed forces. Our defense policies have also enjoyed overwhelming bipartisan support in Congress.

"In serving in this administration, the idea that I would show contempt for the elected Commander-in-Chief president Trump, or tolerate disrespect to the office of the President from within [our] Department of Defense, is a product of someone's rich imagination." . . .​

From Chief of Staff Kelly:

. . .Kelly's response:

"The idea I ever called the President an idiot is not true. As I stated back in May and still firmly stand behind: 'I spend more time with the President than anyone else, and we have an incredibly candid and strong relationship. He always knows where I stand, and he and I both know this story is total BS. I'm committed to the President, his agenda, and our country. This is another pathetic attempt to smear people close to President Trump and distract from the administration's many successes'." . . ,​
https://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-trump-bob-woodward-fear-book-fabricated-2018-9

Of course such remarks are being ignored by the MSM that is applauding the book and heralding it as the greatest expose' of all time.
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This post above shoots the book's truthfulness to hell. And it's not anonymous sources. Both say it never happened!!
 
Common Sense 1 said:
This post above shoots the book's truthfulness to hell. And it's not anonymous sources. Both say it never happened!!
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It also shoots to hell the credibility of the MSM that is applauding the book when they do not report such rebuttals that have been made available to all.
 
Boo Radley said:
Nope. Outside of partisan silliness, he universally recognized as credible.
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Have you read The Russian Hoax by Gregg Jarrett? I hear it is excellent. If you like credible authors.
 
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