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Do you believe Donald Trump is mostly a liar or mostly not a liar?

Do you believe Donald Trump is mostly a liar or mostly not a liar?

  • He's mostly a liar. I'm a Democrat

    Votes: 18 32.1%

  • He's mostly a liar. I'm a Republican

    Votes: 3 5.4%

  • He's mostly a liar. I'm neither Democrat nor Republican

    Votes: 30 53.6%

  • He's mostly not a liar. I'm a Democrat

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • He's mostly not a liar. I'm a Republican

    Votes: 3 5.4%

  • He's mostly not a liar. I'm neither Democrat nor Republican

    Votes: 2 3.6%
  • Total voters
    56
Didn't have the option:

His pants have never not been on fire.
 
I believe he is as much a liar as the mindless hate filled **** heads that post non stop hate fueled rhetoric about him 24/7 AND that they are both driven by the same types of motivation AND they both are so corrupt they actually believe their own ****.
 
celticwar17 said:
He lies, for sure.

But he's not a very skilled liar... it's very much a businessmen kind of liar.

The vast majority of the political game is to make Trump look as bad as possible by lying about him, exaggerating, and unbalance criticism.... The only way he thinks he can counteract the propaganda or unreasonable negative press(in his eyes) is to be a showmen. To be the ring leader announcer saying the rabbit disappeared from the hat, that it's the greatest show in the world, that the break dancing midget was found in the amazon rain forest and brought here...

It's one of the things I kind of preferred about Trump over people like Hillary, Obama, Bush.... his lies are numerous, but they are obvious, horribly executed. not calculated.... it's him being a showmen... While career politicians lie for a living, they are able to organize whole organizations to follow their lie, are very careful about their wording with a calculated goal of using psychology on the masses, effectively.

My two cents... Overall, I would prefer a person who was not a liar xD.... but I don't think you can be a successful politician without being a liar unfortunately.
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Interesting post. My only comments: 1- it is absolutely political or journalistic malpractice to make up bad stuff about Trump. There is obviously no need. 2- best thumbnail analysis of Trump was that he is "transactional," he says whatever he thinks he needs to to get him over in a particular interview or situation, truth or not. 3- his base doesn't care. The Clintons said it best at one time: "It's better to appear strong and wrong than appear weak though right." Obama dared to acknowledge that the US has made mistakes and shown arrogance in the world (undeniable), something that no doubt increased our standing in the world, and he is accused of an "apology tour" by "America's **** Doesn't Stink" patriots. Trump would never say that, mostly because he doesn't know history, but also because he can't see that acknowledging faults is a sign of strength.
 
Xelor said:
Red:
You should reread the quote. What's described is simply ignorance of the details of a topic.

It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a "dismal science." But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.
-- Murray Rothbard​
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Yes, and there is a difference between simple ignorance, which is excusable ONCE, and a reckless disregard for the truth, especially when its your job to know truth. A reckless disregard for the truth that leads to people being harmed can be fraud. Fraud is based upon deceit or lies.

https://www.thewhistleblowerlawyer.com/reckless-disregard-fca
https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-949-proof-fraudulent-intent

In other words, I was disagreeing with your premise of applying this quote to provide grace for Trump's lies. No, can do.

It is his job to know these things. He has access to all of the research and information one could possible have. He has no excuse not to be in command of facts and circumstances: to know these things. He obviously does not care what the truth is, which means he has a reckless disregard for what is true. Ultimately, that makes his presidency a fraud.
 
slick said:
As a Trumpster I must concede the point that whatever definition one uses to define a lier Trump fits!
Trump's lies are either an embellishment of some of his accomplishments or not knowing the history on
subjects he's takling about.

For instance he stated he won wisconsin for the first time by a Republican since Eisenhower, obviously
he wasn't aware that in 1984 39 years after Eisenhower Reagan won Wisconsin. Whoop de do!
His lies basically are sweet summer breee lies unlike the hurricane varirty which were intended to fool the
public like recent presidents:

Obama: If you want your doctoer you can keep him
Clinton: I did not have sex with that woman
Bush #2; Mission Accomplished, 'major combat operations in Iraq have ended'

All president's lie. If you intend to separate the saints from the sinners you are lucky to come up with
Washinton who chopped down the cherry tree & could not tell a lie to his father of Lincoln whose
nickname was 'Honest Abe"
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Trump has told pretty much the same lie that Clinton did, and unlike Clinton, who once caught, apologized and showed true humility for doing it, Trump will continue to hem and haw about it being another person's fault or telling bull**** about it, never admitting he lied or apologizing for it.

Bush was on my ship when that happened. That was true, for the time, and "Mission Accomplished" was put up by us. Just like we did that "Ready Now" picture on the flight deck. They are cheesy publicity things.

And many of people did get to keep their doctors. But even those that didn't isn't something that doesn't happen without Obamacare in place. Right now, thousands, if not millions of insured people in NC have to change doctors because the insurance company refused to set up another agreement with one of the biggest providers in the state. That lie was very little different than the vast majority of many, many lies that Trump has told. It is far less crappy than "we will build the wall and make Mexico pay for it".
 
upsideguy said:
Yes, and there is a difference between simple ignorance, which is excusable ONCE, and a reckless disregard for the truth, especially when its your job to know truth. A reckless disregard for the truth that leads to people being harmed can be fraud. Fraud is based upon deceit or lies.

https://www.thewhistleblowerlawyer.com/reckless-disregard-fca
https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-949-proof-fraudulent-intent

In other words, I was disagreeing with your premise of applying this quote to provide grace for Trump's lies. No, can do.

It is his job to know these things. He has access to all of the research and information one could possible have. He has no excuse not to be in command of facts and circumstances: to know these things. He obviously does not care what the truth is, which means he has a reckless disregard for what is true. Ultimately, that makes his presidency a fraud.
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Red:
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Post 10 (the post to which your post above is a reply):
Though Rothbard had economics in mind when he uttered the remarks below, the same could be said with regard to any subject.
It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a "dismal science." But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance
-- Murray Rothbard​
Would that Trump were to simply exhibit the responsibility concomitant with Rothbard's maxim....
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I don't know how you arrived at your "red" inference from post 10, but that you did sure gave me a good guffaw.
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    Trump strikes me as a contemptible orgy of vulgarity masquerading, with the natural grace of an intoxicated beluga whale, as a human being who, when it comes to deep public policy awareness and integrity, is all hat and no cattle, and who surrounds himself with people who, when he lies, they swear to it, he believes it, and has, moreover, the temerity to presume the rest of us are too myopic to tell he's anything other than a miserable scoundrel and a naive maladjusted libertine delinquent overcome with delusions of adequacy.
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  • How did we end up with a POTUS who speaks not a lick of a foreign language?
    This is, after all, the 21st century. Airplane travel is cheap and common. I'm almost 60, and even when I was in school, mastering a modern foreign language was required. Hell, we were required to study one as far back as what was then called "nursery three," ... [and] were even graded on our performance. Even my nonagenarian mother speaks French and Latin along with English. Trump went to a good school (academically), yet he speaks English, which, no less, he speaks poorly.
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    I'm not a Democrat. I merely object to Trump being the POTUS because he's, quite simply, an ineffably banal debauched conglomerate of intellectual constipation. There is nothing about his character that I am willing to forbear.
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  • No, Donald, the WH press corps is not biased against you...
    Donald Trump and his conservative echo chamber have long been on about the press being calumniously biased against him. Perspicacious observers know better, of course, but there's no telling a Trumpkin that for in their eyes it's all about the ad hominem, and not about the fact that Trump's words and deeds giving rise to editorialists' recriminations of his character and policy are indeed reprobate and deserve the ridicule they attract. I suppose some folks were "raised in a barn," but most of us were taught far better manners and given educations that allow us to express ourselves with far more articulateness than does Trump....
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    People of integrity, though quick to rebuke one when one is wrong, are equally quick to come to one's defense when one is by others unjustly wronged. Were Trump not such an hubristically insecure boor who believes his own BS, he'd know that and stop trying to paint the media as being biased against him, the man.
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  • Remarking on Trump:
    That insufferable amalgamation of loathsome repulsiveness [, Trump,] actually stood there and diplomatically prostrated himself to betray the U.S.
I assure you there was, in post 10, nothing even remotely exculpatory of Trump.
 
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Xelor said:
Simple question....Just answer it. I'm not entreating for discussion on the matter; I just want your answer to the question.

(Give me a minute or two to get the poll created.)
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I don't pay much if any attention to Trump. I have him on ignore. His obnoxious and raunchy behavior as president, more attuned of those in the WWE or Jerry Springer stupid guests than someone who occupies the White House.
 
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