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Should there be some sort of statute of limitations on charges of sexual harassment?

Should there be some sort of statute of limitations on charges of sexual harassment?

  • No-Victims should be able to bring claims whenever they want

    Votes: 14 48.3%

  • Yes, claims should be brought within one year of the action

    Votes: 3 10.3%

  • Yes, claims should be brought within 2 years of the action

    Votes: 4 13.8%

  • Yes, Claims should be brought within 5 years of the action

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Depends on the age of the alleged victim

    Votes: 3 10.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 3 10.3%
  • Total voters
    29
Cardinal said:
My first question is this: does the trauma of rape end after the statute of limitations?

Fun fact: the reason why women don't come forward sooner is embedded within the OP's question.
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No, but the ability to prove a rape in anything resembling a fair trial does, I mean you can subjectively say that no crime’s trauma ever goes away, which is why that’s a bad argument for elimination of statute of limitations.
 
Serenity said:
Bull ****.

Who in this thread has stated that "all accusations of rape are true - no evidence or trial required"?
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That certainly was an overstatement on my part, but in a sense you did so in this message:

Serenity said:
Victim shaming? Really?

The Royal Commission results handed down last year involving the extent of child abuse in the Catholic church, showed that of the estimated 4500 victims, 90% of them were boys. The average time it took between a victim being abused and reporting it, or seeking redress, was 33 years.

Were those males weak or incompetent?

Of course not.

I can't believe some of the **** I read here from people at times.
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The "reporting" came when the Australian government basically announced it was investigating all religious organizations for incidents of sexual abuse and assault.

Am I inaccurate that Commission based its statements solely on allegations made, not upon any actual trial, evidence and criminal guilt findings? My fast reading over it is that the stats they cited were based upon what they claimed were statements by people who claimed to be a victim - and by statistical surveying - not actual hearings and evidence of specific individual allegations.

Is that inaccurate?

You only asked if those who "reported" abuse were "weak," without asking if any of them might be liars with some grudge against the church, the priest etc.
 
joko104 said:
That certainly was an overstatement on my part, but in a sense you did so in this message:
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Yes, it was an overstatement on your part.

And no, I did not.


joko104 said:
The "reporting" came when the Australian government basically announced it was investigating all religious organizations for incidents of sexual abuse and assault.

Am I inaccurate that Commission based its statements solely on allegations made, not upon any actual trial, evidence and criminal guilt findings? My fast reading over it is that the stats they cited were based upon what they claimed were statements by people who claimed to be a victim - and by statistical surveying - not actual hearings and evidence of specific individual allegations.

Is that inaccurate?

You only asked if those who "reported" abuse were "weak," without asking if any of them might be liars with some grudge against the church, the priest etc.
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I'm certainly not suggesting that there may be accounts that are not accurate. That being said, the findings of the Commission were beyond heinous and there clearly is and was widespread incidents of sexual abuse and assault. I make no apologies for the fact that I won't engage in victim blaming, instead I will recognise and acknowledges the courage of the survivors and victims of such abuse, their families and supporters as well as the work of the Royal Commission in helping to create changes to ensure that children are protected from child abuse in all institutions now and in the future.

[FONT=&quot]The royal commission heard evidence from almost 8,000 witnesses in private sessions, received 1,344 written accounts and held 444 days of public hearings. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The commission has referred 2,562 matters to police.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
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"After a reinvestigation by the Jefferson Parish District Attorney’s Office, today a district court judge dismissed the indictment and ordered the release of Malcolm Alexander who wrongly served nearly 38 years for a rape that DNA evidence proves he didn’t commit."

https://www.innocenceproject.org/louisiana-man-exonerated-dna-evidence-serving-nearly-38-years/

Any empathy for him? All women should be believed? Notice the article doesn't even mention the names of any false accuser nor any criticism of the police or DA. Only the defense attorney.

He served 38 years of his life for a false rape accusation - and there was no repercussions against any false accuser whatsoever.
 
2 men wrongly convicted of rape, serving as long as 26 years.

[h=1]26 Years Later, Justice for Men Imprisoned for a Bogus Rape[/h]"The police arrested two of the men she had named — Gregory Counts, then 19, and VanDyke Perry, then 21. They were charged with rape, sodomy, kidnapping and criminal possession of a weapon, according to court records. The third man was never caught.Investigators had no physical evidence. Semen recovered from the woman did not match the two accused men. The prosecution’s case relied heavily on her testimony, which was inconsistent. The defense argued the woman, a recovering crack addict, fabricated the story to protect her boyfriend, who had shot Mr. Perry two months earlier and was wanted by the police, court records show.
Yet, in 1992, a jury convicted Mr. Counts and Mr. Perry on all counts except for the weapons charges. Mr. Perry ended up serving 11 years in prison, Mr. Counts 26.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/07/nyregion/innocence-project-manhattan-rape.html
 
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Approximately 11% of dna tests prove the accused to be innocent. The most common circumstance is a rape accusation. https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/251115.pdf

By a woman not going immediately to the police or a hospital, the accused often is denied the possibility of an absolute defense proof.

The claim that all accusers in sexual assault and sexual harassment cases must be believed is 100% the diametric opposite of the presumption of innocence, replacing it with a presumption of guilt.
 
Other, or rather a combination of two.

Within 5 years unless the person is underage. Although I don't think there are many instances of sexual harassment for minors.
 
Cardinal said:
My first question is this: does the trauma of rape end after the statute of limitations?

Fun fact: the reason why women don't come forward sooner is embedded within the OP's question.
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Probably addressed already, but the question was for harassment, not rape.
 
TurtleDude said:
there is some interesting dichotomies at work because if someone claims women need decades before they can report objectionable behavior-be it harassment or worse, that is essentially saying these women are weak or incompetent.
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Exactly! Angers me to no end. Those cases where the woman is boo hooing "he put his hand on my butt" acting like that traumatized them for life, should not be considered, imo. Speak the **** up, turn around and tell the creep to keep his ****ing hands to himself.
 
Serenity said:
Victim shaming? Really?

The Royal Commission results handed down last year involving the extent of child abuse in the Catholic church, showed that of the estimated 4500 victims, 90% of them were boys. The average time it took between a victim being abused and reporting it, or seeking redress, was 33 years.

Were those males weak or incompetent?

Of course not.

I can't believe some of the **** I read here from people at times.
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I don't believe he was in any way referencing children.
 
joko104 said:
2 men wrongly convicted of rape, serving as long as 26 years.

[h=1]26 Years Later, Justice for Men Imprisoned for a Bogus Rape[/h]"The police arrested two of the men she had named — Gregory Counts, then 19, and VanDyke Perry, then 21. They were charged with rape, sodomy, kidnapping and criminal possession of a weapon, according to court records. The third man was never caught.Investigators had no physical evidence. Semen recovered from the woman did not match the two accused men. The prosecution’s case relied heavily on her testimony, which was inconsistent. The defense argued the woman, a recovering crack addict, fabricated the story to protect her boyfriend, who had shot Mr. Perry two months earlier and was wanted by the police, court records show.
Yet, in 1992, a jury convicted Mr. Counts and Mr. Perry on all counts except for the weapons charges. Mr. Perry ended up serving 11 years in prison, Mr. Counts 26.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/07/nyregion/innocence-project-manhattan-rape.html
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That woman should be in jail
 
TurtleDude said:
IS there a point where the public, companies and employers should reject charges that aren't brought for decades? I am not speaking to actual criminal charges but to given credibility to claims brought years and years after they allegedly happened.
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I don’t think there should be a fixed cut-off time, where a complaint made Friday evening will be fully investigated but the same complaint made on Monday morning is automatically dismissed out of hand.

There is a legitimate question to be raised of why there was a delay in reporting and what triggered the timing but there can be legitimate (or at least believable) answers to that question and I don’t think the delay in itself should invalidate any accusation. It does implicitly make proving the accusation more difficult and can speak to the impact of the alleged offence though.
 
TurtleDude said:
are you really that naive?
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I am 42 years old. I have had both men and women reporting to me at different times over the course of my career. Any reviews, salary increases, or advancements I ever gave anyone was based upon merit, not their looks.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I am 42 years old. I have had both men and women reporting to me at different times over the course of my career. Any reviews, salary increases, or advancements I ever gave anyone was based upon merit, not their looks.
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what sort of business. I remember talking to the GM who ran one of the then popular TGIF establishments. He clearly hired servers with how they looked in mind. And that was common in the business. The woman he replaced there started her own establishment. She said the same thing.
 
Poor rich white men, hate zero tolerance when it's levied against them. So sad! These poor rich white men are such *victims* here, fired by private companies that respond to allegations that they are gigantic assholes and have taken advantage of women and their position for years...the horror! We need to save them!
But those illegal aliens who have been working and paying taxes for a decade? Zero tolerance, get those murderers and rapists out of there!! (sarcasm)

It's normal to hate having your bad behavior checked, suck it up snowflakes.

I had countless opportunities to take advantage of women throughout my career, countless ways to orchestrate it, stack the cards in my favor, pick and choose...you name it. But having been educated on these things early on, I chose not to do it. So after decades of running businesses, my consciousness is clear despite the sweeping movement.

Why should the assholes who took advantage of women get the same treatment as me...who stayed on the other side of that line? That would be too socialist for me....I went them to sink or swim on their own merits...free enterprise, the American way. If you can't employ people without taking advantage of them for sex, good lord...you don't deserve to lead a company.

The double standards men enjoy still in the U.S., it's quite remarkable.
 
holbritter said:
Probably addressed already, but the question was for harassment, not rape.
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Yes, I got confused because the OP used Moonves as an example for the question of harassment, when what Moonves actually did qualifies as rape.
 
TurtleDude said:
I see that the head of CBS is out due to charges of ranging from sexual harassment to what may be termed felony attempted rape

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...new-sexual-misconduct-allegations/1249724002/
The latest New Yorker story by Pulitzer Prize winner Ronan Farrow includes allegations that Moonves, 68, forced oral sex, exposed himself, committed violent acts and derailed careers in incidents that occurred from the 1980s to the early 2000s.
In the new report, the accusers, who give their names, describe a range of damning actions.
Phyllis Golden-Gottlieb, who was a Moonves colleague at Lorimar-Telepictures studio in the 1980s, describes an incident in 1986 in which she says Moonves forced her to perform oral sex.

IS there a point where the public, companies and employers should reject charges that aren't brought for decades? I am not speaking to actual criminal charges but to given credibility to claims brought years and years after they allegedly happened.
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Accusations should never be dismissed out of hand, especially those of sexual assault and harassment. However, the burden of proof still remains with the accuser, not the accused, no matter what the crime or offense was.

That said, I can agree to a SoL on harassment itself. Not so much on assault/rape.

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I do get tired of seeing men tried solely in the court of public opinion. Having a limitation might be legally appropriate and even necessary, but nothing will stop a woman from making public accusations decades later and ruining a man's life. Years later, there is no way to prove anything, it all is he said / she said. But they fire the man because it's the PC thing to do. Kangaroo courts are undemocratic, and they're un-American.
 
Cardinal said:
My first question is this: does the trauma of rape end after the statute of limitations?

Fun fact: the reason why women don't come forward sooner is embedded within the OP's question.
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When did rape become the same as sexual harassment? This may be a problem with the poll question not matching the OP but the poll question did not mention rape.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
When did rape become the same as sexual harassment? This may be a problem with the poll question not matching the OP but the poll question did not mention rape.
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See post 92.
 
Here is why

from a post Cardinal made concerning new allegations from Feinswine concerning Kavanaugh
According to the outlet, the letter is rumored to include details about an incident involving Kavanaugh that took place during his time at Georgetown Preparatory School in Maryland.
 
TurtleDude said:
I see that the head of CBS is out due to charges of ranging from sexual harassment to what may be termed felony attempted rape

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...new-sexual-misconduct-allegations/1249724002/
The latest New Yorker story by Pulitzer Prize winner Ronan Farrow includes allegations that Moonves, 68, forced oral sex, exposed himself, committed violent acts and derailed careers in incidents that occurred from the 1980s to the early 2000s.
In the new report, the accusers, who give their names, describe a range of damning actions.
Phyllis Golden-Gottlieb, who was a Moonves colleague at Lorimar-Telepictures studio in the 1980s, describes an incident in 1986 in which she says Moonves forced her to perform oral sex.

IS there a point where the public, companies and employers should reject charges that aren't brfollought for decades? I am not speaking to actual criminal charges but to given credibility to claims brought years and years after they allegedly happened.
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No

The company/employer should do an investigation into the incident/s and follow a course of action that is dependent on the results of the investigation. Taking into account the nature of the incident of course. If it was a singular incident, vs multiple incidents over years.
 
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