View Poll Results: Should the retirement age be raised?

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    Re: Retirement age

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    I'd be more concerned with the likely personification of those machines. Tax them, next thing is citizenship and rights. We might no longer be able to view them as metal and plastic slaves. They will be wanting vacations, bathroom and smoking breaks, free imported beer when voting, and now that scientists are claim AI systems can learn their prejudices about different people, including a natural sense of sexual gradation and deviancy, this would open one heck of a can of worms. My God! They may want Christmas bonuses! And gifts. What do you buy a robot for Christmas? A can of lube? Think of the gender problems that could develop? The scandals? Do we really want to go down this path?
    I enjoyed reading your humorous post. Thank you for not hating, but rather elevating!
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    Re: Retirement age

    Thank you.
    What kind of a man is a man who has not left this world a better place?

    No one is in control.

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    Re: Retirement age

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Even so, we all pay in.

    Except, of course, for the 50% that don't.
    You don't then understand how Social Security works.



    I never said anything about by birth. In fact much of the investor class, your words, not mine, was not born into the investor class. but got there due to there due to their own hard work and working smart. Nor did I say that either had more merit than the other.

    This is total rubbish.

    Fact:

    The #1 indicator of future wealth of a child at birth is the parents socioeconomic standing at birth.

    #2 most frequent determiner of financial success, right time, right place. (luck)

    Let's face it, we are literally brainwashed as children into believing hard work is key to success. Sadly it's just not true.

    In fact the hardest job I ever had found me exempt from minimum wage and over time laws while the easiest job I ever had put me in the top 2%.

    I found this to be common throughout my life.

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    Re: Retirement age

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    My social security benefit payments were based upon the amount I paid in SS taxes over the last 50 years. If I had paid more in I would have gotten more out and if I had paid less in I would have gotten less out.
    Correct, point?

    (It is actually based on you top 35 years of earnings. )

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    Re: Retirement age

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    Correct, point?

    (It is actually based on you top 35 years of earnings. )
    What the government pays me in social security benefits is not welfare, it is what the government owes me from money it took from me for 50 years to fund my retirement.

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    Re: Retirement age

    Quote Originally Posted by rickc View Post
    in my industry construction you don't see many 65 year.old.ironworkers, or.rod busters or form carpenters.

    i guess if you have always worked in an office it might seem like a good idea.

    another thing older workers face is age discrimination. they are at the top of their earning years. cheaper to hire younger workers and replace those old expensive outdated workers.
    I used to be a reflexive proponent of raising the security age - it seemed a way to help save the system by focusing resources on the more-vulnerable (the older). The first line, here, is a point that was made, I believe, of all people, by Nancy Pelosi, but it's a good one. Some professions and working in some professions ruin the body. Many of them are less-well-compensated professions, meaning that those who would be expected to get some new job greeting at Wal Mart or who would be expected to just hold on with savings until retirement kicked in are least-well-suited to doing so.

    Full Disclosure - I have gone to some length laying out my own preferred Social Security reform (Social Security Fix), and am a bit of a biased actor when I come to that conclusion. That being said, I still think that the point that not everyone works a desk is a reasonable one.

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    Re: Retirement age

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    What the government pays me in social security benefits is not welfare, it is what the government owes me from money it took from me for 50 years to fund my retirement.
    No it didn't. It took that money to pay for someone else's retirement, just like people are having money taken from them today to pay current recipients.

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    Re: Retirement age

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    Fact:

    The #1 indicator of future wealth of a child at birth is the parents socioeconomic standing at birth.

    #2 most frequent determiner of financial success, right time, right place. (luck)

    Let's face it, we are literally brainwashed as children into believing hard work is key to success. Sadly it's just not true.
    That's an interesting pair of claims. I've done some reading in this area, and they seem to clash wit the available data. Would you mind sourcing them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    What the government pays me in social security benefits is not welfare, it is what the government owes me from money it took from me for 50 years to fund my retirement.
    i never called it welfare.

    ???????????????

    why do you bring that up?

    BTW it is not the money they WITHHELD, that was spent on your grandma. (I am proud of you, taking care of grandma)

    The money you get is from your grandchildren, God love those generous former tots.

    A great system IMHO. It is the role of the young and healthy of the tribe to provide for the less fortunate and old.

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    Re: Retirement age

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's an interesting pair of claims. I've done some reading in this area, and they seem to clash wit the available data. Would you mind sourcing them?
    Bullshi!.

    If you did reading (not from a wingnut site) you known damned well what I posted is fact.

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    Trump and his alternative truth nonsense is spreading like wildfire

    what a curse that man is... and to think, I came within a hair of voting for him.

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