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If Trump shot a man on Fifth Avenue would Kavanaugh support an investigation?

If Trump shot a man on Fifth Avenue would Kavanaugh support an investigation?

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Now they are dreaming about the President shooting someone and would Kavanaugh support an investigation?
Truly nut ball stuff. What the heck is going to happen when Trump wins reelection? :confused:


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Howard the Duck said:
But it's much deeper than that. Here's more scary food for thought.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...his-years-republican-operative-don-ncna907391
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Really Brock? He is the slime merchant extraordinary. A political operative for the democrats and a Clinton fan boy!

One big question why did the democrats not call Brock to testify at the hearings? Because he would be under oath so when he spun his little dirty tale....... Well we know what would happen.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Now they are dreaming about the President shooting someone and would Kavanaugh support an investigation?
Truly nut ball stuff. What the heck is going to happen when Trump wins reelection? :confused:


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It isn't a nut ball scenario at all. I'm not saying he's going to shoot somebody, but I'm definitely saying that they view the president as above the law.

Most came to America to escape kings.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Really Brock? He is the slime merchant extraordinary. A political operative for the democrats and a Clinton fan boy!

One big question why did the democrats not call Brock to testify at the hearings? Because he would be under oath so when he spun his little dirty tale....... Well we know what would happen.
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He's a lfelong Republican, so no. I don't trust him either. But we have lots of evidence that supports his story. Start with the fact that Kavanaugh supported and participated in the gop's circuitous search for Monica's blue dress. End with the fact that he has written papers about how he now thinks that presidents can't be deposed or investigated.

The stuff in between? That really doesn't matter. What matters is that his opinion is fluid depending on politics. One rule for Democrats. Another for Republicans.

That's dangerous and doesn't belong on ANY court let alone the supreme court.
 
Howard the Duck said:
Federalist SOCIETY. They are a bunch of super ultra right wing lawyers who essentially seek to overturn all American jurisprudence since 1803.

They are way, way, way out of the mainstream.
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anyone who claims this is lying or thinks Trotsky was a moderate. Its one of the most stupid things I have seen. 2 of the five founders are non-observant Jews. One had a Jewish father, Episcopal mother, another was a mainline Protestant and one a Catholic. 3 of the four I knew well were not what one would call extremists on Abortion.
 
TurtleDude said:
anyone who claims this is lying or thinks Trotsky was a moderate. Its one of the most stupid things I have seen. 2 of the five founders are non-observant Jews. One had a Jewish father, Episcopal mother, another was a mainline Protestant and one a Catholic. 3 of the four I knew well were not what one would call extremists on Abortion.
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I am neither lying nor stupid and it isn't your job to label me. Trotsky has nothing to do with this discussion. I didn't mention abortion or religious persuasion either.

You aren't posting in good faith.
 
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TurtleDude said:
anyone who claims this is lying or thinks Trotsky was a moderate. Its one of the most stupid things I have seen. 2 of the five founders are non-observant Jews. One had a Jewish father, Episcopal mother, another was a mainline Protestant and one a Catholic. 3 of the four I knew well were not what one would call extremists on Abortion.
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I must take exception to this. I promise you, HtD is neither stupid or a liar. As a conservative, I don't always agree with him, but he is about genuine conversation. Try a bit more reasoning, and less impromptu labeling.
He is a good read, as are you, when aimed constructively. All good American's need an alternate, compelling, valid point of view, right?
Regards,
CP
 
concernedpuma said:
I must take exception to this. I promise you, HtD is neither stupid or a liar. As a conservative, I don't always agree with him, but he is about genuine conversation. Try a bit more reasoning, and less impromptu labeling.
He is a good read, as are you, when aimed constructively. All good American's need an alternate, compelling, valid point of view, right?
Regards,
CP
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I disagree with your take concerning his position. His claims concerning the Federalist Society are specious
 
TurtleDude said:
I disagree with your take concerning his position. His claims concerning the Federalist Society are specious
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Specious....Doesn't follow? How so? He may be in error, I don't know. I was just relating my own experience. HtD is a sharp tack, but like all of us, could be in error on a point. But to the larger point, he is a viable opinion and worthy of consideration. Not that you aren't, please understand.
Regards,
CP
 
Howard the Duck said:
If Trump shot a man on Fifth Avenue would Kavanaugh support an investigation? Would he support charges or a trial? Is a President above the law?

Would/could he expand the law and vote on the supreme court that the president can pardon for state crimes, too?

Your thoughts?
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Within hours of Trump shooting the guy, Fox News and other right wing outlets would be floating bull**** about the guy being a member of antifa.
 
concernedpuma said:
Specious....Doesn't follow? How so? He may be in error, I don't know. I was just relating my own experience. HtD is a sharp tack, but like all of us, could be in error on a point. But to the larger point, he is a viable opinion and worthy of consideration. Not that you aren't, please understand.
Regards,
CP
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four of the five founders of the FS were very close or at least good friends in college. I don't know the fifth guy Spencer Abrahams of Michigan. Steven Calabresi and Peter Keisler are hardly ultra right. David McIntosh-though he became a republican Congressman was actually the chairman of the Progressive party at Yale-the most left wing of the five major parties of the Yale Political Union. Calabresi was a member of the centrist independent party. Keisler and Lee Liberman (Now Otis) were both leaders of Buckley's Party of the Right but unlike some of the members, they were not religious zealots-both were/are non-observant Jews. I have been a member in the past and laziness is the main reason I am not now-when I retired, the membership renewals didn't make the transition from my old office to my home. But I attended several FS in Cincinnati, and "ultra right" would be an erroneous description of the attendees. True, most were Republicans or Libertarians but the anti abortion movement-big in Cincinnati (Right to life was started in the very Catholic west side of Cincinnati) didn't seem represented. While I never attended the national FS meetings, I do note that prominent liberal legal scholars often attended including probably the leading Constitutional Law professor in America-Akhil Reed Amar (who constantly speaks out against places like Yale becoming hostile to opposing points of view)
 
TurtleDude said:
four of the five founders of the FS were very close or at least good friends in college. I don't know the fifth guy Spencer Abrahams of Michigan. Steven Calabresi and Peter Keisler are hardly ultra right. David McIntosh-though he became a republican Congressman was actually the chairman of the Progressive party at Yale-the most left wing of the five major parties of the Yale Political Union. Calabresi was a member of the centrist independent party. Keisler and Lee Liberman (Now Otis) were both leaders of Buckley's Party of the Right but unlike some of the members, they were not religious zealots-both were/are non-observant Jews. I have been a member in the past and laziness is the main reason I am not now-when I retired, the membership renewals didn't make the transition from my old office to my home. But I attended several FS in Cincinnati, and "ultra right" would be an erroneous description of the attendees. True, most were Republicans or Libertarians but the anti abortion movement-big in Cincinnati (Right to life was started in the very Catholic west side of Cincinnati) didn't seem represented. While I never attended the national FS meetings, I do note that prominent liberal legal scholars often attended including probably the leading Constitutional Law professor in America-Akhil Reed Amar (who constantly speaks out against places like Yale becoming hostile to opposing points of view)
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I bow to your experience. I was just hoping you would recognize an erudite member, and perhaps make a learned reply, as you just did to me, to HtD..
I would object to anyone calling you stupid, just as quickly
Regards,
CP
 
Howard the Duck said:
If Trump shot a man on Fifth Avenue would Kavanaugh support an investigation? Would he support charges or a trial? Is a President above the law?

Would/could he expand the law and vote on the supreme court that the president can pardon for state crimes, too?

Your thoughts?
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The president, any president isn't above the law which includes the present one. If a president commits a crime, he can be tried for that crime once he leaves office or right after he is impeached found guilty and removed from office.

"The closest the Constitution comes to addressing the issue is in this passage, from Article I, Section 3: “Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.”

This much seems clear: The president and other federal officials may be prosecuted after they leave office, and there is no double jeopardy protection from prosecution if they are removed following impeachment."


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/...nal-puzzle-can-the-president-be-indicted.html
 
Perotista said:
The president, any president isn't above the law which includes the present one. If a president commits a crime, he can be tried for that crime once he leaves office or right after he is impeached found guilty and removed from office.

"The closest the Constitution comes to addressing the issue is in this passage, from Article I, Section 3: “Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.”

This much seems clear: The president and other federal officials may be prosecuted after they leave office, and there is no double jeopardy protection from prosecution if they are removed following impeachment."


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/...nal-puzzle-can-the-president-be-indicted.html
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Well put, friend. It is disconcerting that we are even discussing this. What has happened to us? My goodness, we put up with a learn on the job Junior Senator from Illinois, but never hit below the belt, as seems acceptable these days. What's worse, is it seems the left is looking for a re-do with blow hard Kamala from Cali. Geez, what is the limit?
Regards,
CP


Regrds,
CP
 
concernedpuma said:
Uh huh. And you live with that scary fiction? You, my friend, are jaded.
Regards,
CP
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Trump's biggest talent is in making his base some of the greatest rationalizers the world has ever known.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Trump's biggest talent is in making his base some of the greatest rationalizers the world has ever known.
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My goodness! I am afraid you may be beyond the pale. I'm fairly sure, you are somehow conflating a "The Usual Suspects" line with the President of the United States. Does that worry you, or must others worry about, and for you?
Regards,
CP
 
Howard the Duck said:
If Trump shot a man on Fifth Avenue would Kavanaugh support an investigation?

Your thoughts?
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If President Trump shot a violent Antifa or BLM member on Fifth Avenue, he would be hailed as a hero. Why do people keep bringing this up like it's a good talking point?
 
Howard the Duck said:
Federalist SOCIETY. They are a bunch of super ultra right wing lawyers who essentially seek to overturn all American jurisprudence since 1803.

They are way, way, way out of the mainstream.
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Reading your posts I get the impression that your idea of mainstream is embraced in the workings of the Southern Poverty Law Center.
 
concernedpuma said:
Hi Duck! What makes you write that the SPLC is excellent? Have they made no mistakes?
Regards,
CP
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They have an outstanding record of public education, civil rights litigation, identifying/opposing white supremacy, and promoting tolerance.

They are almost the perfect non profit organization.

Everybody makes mistakes, but I can't think of any that they have made.

Your friend,

The Duck.
 
Thank you for your reply. I must ask you, in your honest opinion, why do so many white males(can't supply a number) consider them as against our own interest?
Your friend,
CP
 
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