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[W:236] Taya kyle has a brutal message for colin kaepernick on what real ‘sacrifice’ means

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calamity said:
Who cares what another privileged white woman has to say?
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I know how blacks feel.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
You'll be incredibly happy to know, then, that no player as actually disrespecting the flag, the anthem or the country.

I just LOVE being the bearer of good news!
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They are obviously disrespecting our flag, our anthem, and our country. Otherwise, they would bring attention to their cause at other times. They choose to kneel during the anthem, when everyone else is standing.
 
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MovingPictures said:
Sacrifice is not a competition, nor does everyone have to lay down their life to be noble.

Kyle needs to stop taking her grief out on everyone to the left of her.
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Or maybe the left needs to examine its values and priorities.
 
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Moderate Right said:
They are obviously disrespecting our flag, our anthem, and our country. Otherwise, they would bring attention to their cause at other times. They choose to kneel during the anthem, when everyone else is standing.
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They obviously are not disrespecting our flag. That's just invented BS to be mad at this because Trump said to be mad at it, since he's still mad that he never got in.
 
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Robertinfremont said:
Probably before your time.
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Not if it's less than 60 years since he was secretly murdering brown people at a great distance.
 
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Ikari said:
No it doesn't. That's just snowflake, triggered, partisan, emotional reactionary nonsense meant to spin the narrative away from the reason behind kneeling.
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If everyone stands for the anthem to respect our country then those who do not stand do not respect our country. What's so hard about them admitting that they don't respect our country?


Kaepernick's own words as to why he does not stand for the national anthem: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color"

Colin Kaepernick explains why he sat during national anthem - NFL.com
 
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americanwoman said:
How exactly is kneeling a form of disrespect?
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Well, sooner or later the NFL will ensure this nonsense ends.

So how is it disrespect. Do you notice at the games, when the fans stand, they have their hand over their heart and a lot of them sing the anthem.

Suppose the anthem honored slavery. Do you see how kneeling then would show disrespect for that view? But the anthem has nothing to do with slavery nor blacks. So this casts a shadow over the blacks that participate. A good many black football players, to their credit, refuse to play the Kaepernick game. Kaepernick may have ended is own career. There is nothing in the rules saying Kaepernick is guaranteed employment.
 
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Moderate Right said:
If everyone stands for the anthem to respect our country then those who do not stand do not respect our country.
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That's not true at all. "Because everyone is doing it" doesn't mean that it's the only way to show reverence or that it is the only way something can be done correctly.

And pride and respect are two different things. He kneels because after speaking with a veteran on the subject, they decided that kneeling was a way to still show protest and respect the flag at the same time.

duh.

You're just spinning false narratives.
 
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Robertinfremont said:
If that is the case, why do players pick the playing of the Anthem and the display of the flag to decide to protest? Do you actually understand the Anthem?
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Because it's a public and televised moment. It's called 'exposure'.

Do you actually understand the topic here?
 
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Robertinfremont said:
Well, sooner or later the NFL will ensure this nonsense ends.

So how is it disrespect. Do you notice at the games, when the fans stand, they have their hand over their heart and a lot of them sing the anthem.

Suppose the anthem honored slavery. Do you see how kneeling then would show disrespect for that view? But the anthem has nothing to do with slavery nor blacks. So this casts a shadow over the blacks that participate. A good many black football players, to their credit, refuse to play the Kaepernick game. Kaepernick may have ended is own career. There is nothing in the rules saying Kaepernick is guaranteed employment.
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Tell me what sacrifice Taya's dead husband made by being shot at a shooting range by a schitz he decided needed shooting lessons. Sounds to me like white whine and little else.
 
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Robertinfremont said:
Well, sooner or later the NFL will ensure this nonsense ends.

So how is it disrespect. Do you notice at the games, when the fans stand, they have their hand over their heart and a lot of them sing the anthem.

Suppose the anthem honored slavery. Do you see how kneeling then would show disrespect for that view? But the anthem has nothing to do with slavery nor blacks. So this casts a shadow over the blacks that participate. A good many black football players, to their credit, refuse to play the Kaepernick game. Kaepernick may have ended is own career. There is nothing in the rules saying Kaepernick is guaranteed employment.
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I'm not going to suppose anything. It is what it is and you can stand, kneel, or go get some nachos - none of those actions are disrespectful.

To be being disrespectful would be spitting on the ground and cursing America or trying to oversing with the Russians natioanl anthem or something.
 
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Moderate Right said:
It does disrespect our country. Why else would they do this DURING the national anthem? If they wanted to bring attention to their cause there are numerous ways of doing it. They CHOOSE to do it during the national anthem.
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No, it doesn't. Not to any rational adult, in any case.
 
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Moderate Right said:
They are obviously disrespecting our flag, our anthem, and our country. Otherwise, they would bring attention to their cause at other times. They choose to kneel during the anthem, when everyone else is standing.
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Newp. I understand that some people have to pretend that they are, in order to avoid actually dealing with what they're protesting, but they're not fooling anyone but themselves.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
The Nike ad says "Believe in something, even if it means sacrificing everything." (emphasis added by me) Seriously? Sacrificing everything? Kaepernick did not sacrifice everything. The men and women that died in the line of duty serving their country or their fellow man while wearing the uniform of the US military, or a firefighter's gear, or a badge and blue, they sacrificed everything.

There are a number of posts here that rightly say that sacrifice is not a competition, and one even properly says that sacrifice is not binary, that it's a spectrum. However, the end point of that spectrum is the full and final measure of sacrifice - your life.

There are many that have done what the Nike ad says, and I completely agree with the statement in the ad.

However, putting the picture of Kaepernick over top of that statement just ads insult to injury given that it illustrates the very reason why some (including me) do not support and are offended by the disrespect to those that truly sacrificed everything for what they believed in - freedom, liberty, and our Constitution which they swore an oath to protect.

Some folks just don't understand, and that's okay with me. I don't expect everyone to understand, or even care.

I don't necessarily agree with what Ms. Kyle said, but I can understand why she feels that Nike disrespected her husband and others like him.
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Well said. He made a choice and stuck by it; I'll give him that. But millions of others do that as well. And dishonoring the country that gave us all so much isn't praiseworthy, IMHO. YES, this nation has problems but they can be solved by adhering to our finest values and principles, NOT by insulting them and the people that believe in them.
 
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Bullseye said:
Well said. He made a choice and stuck by it; I'll give him that. But millions of others do that as well. And dishonoring the country that gave us all so much isn't praiseworthy, IMHO. YES, this nation has problems but they can be solved by adhering to our finest values and principles, NOT by insulting them and the people that believe in them.
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Whew! Good thing he hasn't 'dishonored' the country that gave us all so much.
 
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Something Colin has never learned is that, to be respected, one has to give respect. Seems to be a hobby to be poopooing on patriots.
 
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Moderate Right said:
If everyone stands for the anthem to respect our country then those who do not stand do not respect our country. What's so hard about them admitting that they don't respect our country?


Kaepernick's own words as to why he does not stand for the national anthem: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color"

Colin Kaepernick explains why he sat during national anthem - NFL.com
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"If everyone stands for the anthem to respect our country then those who do not stand do not respect our country. "

Without exception?
 
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Cardinal said:
Yes, but did they sacrifice the lives of their families?
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Did Kaepernick? I'd submit those men and women who died in service to our country did. And didn't get million dollar endorsement deals to do it, either.
 
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calamity said:
And, the black people walking or driving down the street certainly did not sign up for being shot by cops and other white men with guns.

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How would it hit you were the white football players took a knee in protest over Martin Luther King day or other issues having to do with King? Would be tolerant of them?
 
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Robertinfremont said:
I was also in the Army and that part is not an option. They do not ask if you want to swear an oath, they make you swear that oath.
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Where did I say that it was optional?

Pity that so many people forget that part when they are waving their flags and yelling 'Murrica!' They bemoan that the soldiers, the flag and the military are being trampled on and disrespected by Kaepernick's stance, yet the very thing that they agreed to fight for was Kaepernick's right to kneel.

Convenient that it's easy to forget that part.

For what it's worth, you have not been relieved of the duty of protecting and defending that Constitution.
 
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Bullseye said:
Did Kaepernick? I'd submit those men and women who died in service to our country did. And didn't get million dollar endorsement deals to do it, either.
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No, I mean did the men and women who died in the service of our country sacrifice their families' lives?
 
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Robertinfremont said:
How would it hit you were the white football players took a knee in protest over Martin Luther King day or other issues having to do with King? Would be tolerant of them?
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Just because something is wrong does not mean that people don't have the right to say it.
 
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Robertinfremont said:
How would it hit you were the white football players took a knee in protest over Martin Luther King day or other issues having to do with King? Would be tolerant of them?
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Martin Luther King day?? wtf come on now! :lamo

I mean holy **** you couldn't even come up with a half way decent 'white person' cause.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Not if it's less than 60 years since he was secretly murdering brown people at a great distance.
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OK, it is true snipers murder people. But what else is your point?

Let me find out by asking you directly. Suppose the white players took a knee and then told the press it was to get rid of all references to Martin Luther King and seeking to remove his day as a holiday?

Can you tolerate that happening?
 
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americanwoman said:
"If everyone stands for the anthem to respect our country then those who do not stand do not respect our country. "

Without exception?
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I see you totally skipped by the part where Kaepernick, in his own words, said why he does not stand for the anthem.
 
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