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Firing Sessions: Will it End Trump's Legal Problems?

End Trump's Legal Problems?

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Winston

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Would the removal of Jeff Sessions end Trump's legal problems?
 
Nope, he can fire sessions and appoint someone that sqaush's the investigation. Won't change that Republicans are in for a huge loss in the next elections. And the only reason they are going to lose big, is the removal of Trump. Once he is removed, his legal troubles are just beginning.

If I were him on my last day as President, I would drive directly to the airport and fly directly to a country with no extradition.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
If I were him on my last day as President, I would drive directly to the airport and fly directly to a country with no extradition.
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It's bizarro world that that is not outlandish nonsense. Who wants a ton of legal trouble? If I was rich and looking at years of court battle that could by some unknown means actually land me in jail... See ya. Rather go through it and maybe count on a pardon? I'd just go.
 
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The only thing that will end Trump's legal problems will be his departure from this lifetime.
 
Winston said:
Would the removal of Jeff Sessions end Trump's legal problems?
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Where ya been?
Nope it will increase his problems, a number of R Senators agree with his performance as AG. When one looks at his performance from a Con perspective, he has been leading the charge. Do I agree with it, no. But then again I am not a Conservative on many issues that Sessions is
Would be an interesting confirmation as it would only take a few Republicans to give trump the finger
Graham is playing for his primary in 2020, and sold himself.
Grassley is pissed at Sessions over prison reform which he supports.
 
Winston said:
Would the removal of Jeff Sessions end Trump's legal problems?
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If he fires Sessions, he a would have put one if his toadies in to remove Rosin. Then kill off the Mueller investigation. Do that and he will be impeached, the GOP would have no choice if they want the GOP to survive, most Repubs are far more loyal to the GOP than trump. We shall see how stupid trump really is in the next few months, desperation does not lead to Clear thinking.
 
They would only come to a head faster. It would be the act of a madman - but then, that is what we have in the White House - a mentally deranged dangerous individual who represents the single greatest threat to our nation in at least 75 years.
 
Casper said:
If he fires Sessions, he a would have put one if his toadies in to remove Rosin. Then kill off the Mueller investigation. Do that and he will be impeached, the GOP would have no choice if they want the GOP to survive, most Repubs are far more loyal to the GOP than trump. We shall see how stupid trump really is in the next few months, desperation does not lead to Clear thinking.
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I suspect Trump has already calculated that
1- only a Democratic controlled House would vote to impeach because the GOP members are toadies and sycophants and ballless cowards and he likes it that way
2- the Senate will never convict because they only care about their own jobs with GOP voters back home who are owned lock, stock and barrel by Trump
3- he can game the trial in such a way so that his base loves him even more and possibly use it as the centerpiece of a re-election effort.

Checks and balances in this nation are dead unless the Dems win in the fall.
 
Winston said:
Would the removal of Jeff Sessions end Trump's legal problems?
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It sure can. A trump crony would squash the investigation until it's powerless. Also, he can keep firing people in the SDNY until their investigation is over. Finally, the next incoming President can pardon him. A lot of the assumption behind the idea that firing Sessions wouldn't end his legal problems is based on the idea of Congressional accountability. But with a thoroughly tamed Congress, he's home free. Finally, one out of 7 appellate judges are now Trump appointees. Lawsuits against him or his foundation, or getting him to testify, are significantly less likely to succeed.
 
haymarket said:
I suspect Trump has already calculated that
1- only a Democratic controlled House would vote to impeach because the GOP members are toadies and sycophants and ballless cowards and he likes it that way
2- the Senate will never convict because they only care about their own jobs with GOP voters back home who are owned lock, stock and barrel by Trump
3- he can game the trial in such a way so that his base loves him even more and possibly use it as the centerpiece of a re-election effort.

Checks and balances in this nation are dead unless the Dems win in the fall.
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Then make sure they do, this Inde will be supporting the effort.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Nope, he can fire sessions and appoint someone that sqaush's the investigation. Won't change that Republicans are in for a huge loss in the next elections. And the only reason they are going to lose big, is the removal of Trump. Once he is removed, his legal troubles are just beginning.

If I were him on my last day as President, I would drive directly to the airport and fly directly to a country with no extradition.
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None of that is true. Republicans will lose seats in 2018 for the same reason that democrats lost seats in 2010. Enthusiasm, or lack of it. See the election results for Ohio 12 if you want proof. The race was close, not because there was some rush of enthusiasm for the democrat in a republican district, but because 150,000 fewer republicans showed up to vote over 2016. The republican congress is not popular, even with republicans. Any 'blue wave' will not be the result of some growing popularity of the democrats, but of a 'red boycott.'
 
As the walls close in on Trump, assuming he's guilty of a variety of crimes, I believe his best legal play is to resign early.

- allows Mike Pence to become POTUS, and to immediately pardon Trump
- more in his control, and less stigma, than impeachment

If Trump is removed by election to a Democrat, there would seem to be no hope of a self pardon.

Nixon got the big fat pardon for his resignation, why should Trump not aim to do the same?
 
Mach said:
As the walls close in on Trump, assuming he's guilty of a variety of crimes, I believe his best legal play is to resign early.

- allows Mike Pence to become POTUS, and to immediately pardon Trump
- more in his control, and less stigma, than impeachment

If Trump is removed by election to a Democrat, there would seem to be no hope of a self pardon.

Nixon got the big fat pardon for his resignation, why should Trump not aim to do the same?
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Because two wrongs do not make a right.
 
What if the investigation is nearing it's natural conclusion, and Trump then fired Sessions and the new guy ended the investigation? What happens to the information gathered? I bet it doesn't just disappear.

If Mueller is doing a good job, he already has a report of ever thing that they have discovered up to date and issuable within minutes. If Trump fired Sessions, Mueller could instantly issue a press release, and copies for congress, with the full contents of the report, before anyone had a chance to stop him. The final few pages of the report may still be blank, but there may not be the need for those final pages to be completed because the first 867 pages may tell us everything we need to know.
 
Fletch said:
None of that is true. Republicans will lose seats in 2018 for the same reason that democrats lost seats in 2010. Enthusiasm, or lack of it. See the election results for Ohio 12 if you want proof. The race was close, not because there was some rush of enthusiasm for the democrat in a republican district, but because 150,000 fewer republicans showed up to vote over 2016. The republican congress is not popular, even with republicans. Any 'blue wave' will not be the result of some growing popularity of the democrats, but of a 'red boycott.'
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The Trump Files — :lamo
 
imagep said:
What if the investigation is nearing it's natural conclusion, and Trump then fired Sessions and the new guy ended the investigation? What happens to the information gathered? I bet it doesn't just disappear.

If Mueller is doing a good job, he already has a report of ever thing that they have discovered up to date and issuable within minutes. If Trump fired Sessions, Mueller could instantly issue a press release, and copies for congress, with the full contents of the report, before anyone had a chance to stop him. The final few pages of the report may still be blank, but there may not be the need for those final pages to be completed because the first 867 pages may tell us everything we need to know.
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The new AG could sit on the report. That said, it's considered highly likely that a copy of the report would fall off the back of a truck on the NYTimes' doorstep.

Although, and this can't be overstated, if that report is made public after/if Democrats don't retake one of the chambers of Congress, that report won't matter.
 
haymarket said:
Because two wrongs do not make a right.
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Sure but I was looking at it from Trump's point of view. Legal jeopardy is real. Pardons wipe that away. Would Pence do it for him? I think he would say a president who served is country deserves a pardon or so horse manure. He'd then pray and maybe flagellate himself or whatever evangelicals who sin terribley do in order to act like they had no choice.
I just think impeachment would give him that option, but impeachment seems very difficult with unknown crimes, and collaborators in control of the senate.
So if he can't get impeached, that means he's either voted out (likely no pardon), or he resigns (good shot at a pardon), and may give whoever takes his place some time to heal the wounds he caused for a better shot at the 2020?

Just saying, I'd factor that in if I were Trump.
 
Mach said:
Sure but I was looking at it from Trump's point of view. Legal jeopardy is real. Pardons wipe that away. Would Pence do it for him? I think he would say a president who served is country deserves a pardon or so horse manure. He'd then pray and maybe flagellate himself or whatever evangelicals who sin terribley do in order to act like they had no choice.
I just think impeachment would give him that option, but impeachment seems very difficult with unknown crimes, and collaborators in control of the senate.
So if he can't get impeached, that means he's either voted out (likely no pardon), or he resigns (good shot at a pardon), and may give whoever takes his place some time to heal the wounds he caused for a better shot at the 2020?

Just saying, I'd factor that in if I were Trump.
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Yes, but you are smarter than Trump and are a sane and rational person who lives in reality. Trump is not any of those things.

Yes - pardons for federal crimes will and can be wiped away. Which brings us to the New York AG where Trumps headquarters is. And nobody is going to save his sorry bloated narcissistic ass from her.
 
haymarket said:
Yes, but you are smarter than Trump and are a sane and rational person who lives in reality. Trump is not any of those things.
Yes - pardons for federal crimes will and can be wiped away. Which brings us to the New York AG where Trumps headquarters is. And nobody is going to save his sorry bloated narcissistic ass from her.
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Yeah, the state stuff he has far less protection from that's true. Even his family apparently has legal exposure at the state level...oof.
 
Cardinal said:
The new AG could sit on the report. That said, it's considered highly likely that a copy of the report would fall off the back of a truck on the NYTimes' doorstep.

Although, and this can't be overstated, if that report is made public after/if Democrats don't retake one of the chambers of Congress, that report won't matter.
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Wikileaks, lmao.
 
Winston said:
Would the removal of Jeff Sessions end Trump's legal problems?
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Trump doesn't have "legal problems" per se...

What you call "legal problems" is nothing more than a desperate democrat ploy to sabotage the 2018 midterm and hopefully carry over to 2020.

So; the only thing that the firing of Jeff Sessions will accomplish is to further "drain the swamp".

This is a very simple equation, Winston...If you're not helping solve the problem, then you are the problem.
 
Casper said:
If he fires Sessions, he a would have put one if his toadies in to remove Rosin. Then kill off the Mueller investigation. Do that and he will be impeached, the GOP would have no choice if they want the GOP to survive, most Repubs are far more loyal to the GOP than trump. We shall see how stupid trump really is in the next few months, desperation does not lead to Clear thinking.
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Except that much of the Mueller investigation has been "farmed" out to the FBI, the USA-SDNY and office of the Attorney General for the State of New York and probably others. I bet the "deep state" went even "deeper" to protect the investigation. Trump can take a shot at the head, but the investigation is well into the "body" of the justice system.

Only Mueller's team knows the depth and breadth of this investigation. If Trump's numerous entanglements with the Russian government and Russian mafia are criminal, you can bet Mueller, a McCain level patriot, has done a lot of work to make sure the investigation goes on regardless of his fate.

Trump is the bug in the spider web. The more he moves, the more he entangles himself to seal his fate.
 
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Empirica said:
Trump doesn't have "legal problems" per se...

What you call "legal problems" is nothing more than a desperate democrat ploy to sabotage the 2018 midterm and hopefully carry over to 2020.

So; the only thing that the firing of Jeff Sessions will accomplish is to further "drain the swamp".

This is a very simple equation, Winston...If you're not helping solve the problem, then you are the problem.
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you should ask the many lawyers that have fled from the Trump camp whether or not Trump is facing some legal problems. I bid you well on your arduous journey back into reality.
 
Probably wouldn't end them. And if the Dems pull off enough victories to flip Congress, it could exacerbate them.
 
Winston said:
you should ask the many lawyers that have fled from the Trump camp whether or not Trump is facing some legal problems. I bid you well on your arduous journey back into reality.
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So you believe "fleeing lawyers" is in some way evidence that Trump has impending "legal problems"?!

Sorry; I ain't buyin it Winston...What else ya got?!
 
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