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Is Hatred of Bigotry Bad?

Which statement is not true.

  • It's okay to hate bad people.

    Votes: 9 30.0%

  • Bigotry is bad.

    Votes: 9 30.0%

  • People who practice Bigotry are bad people

    Votes: 6 20.0%

  • White supremacists practice bigotry.

    Votes: 7 23.3%

  • White supremacists are bad people.

    Votes: 5 16.7%

  • It's okay to hate white supremacists.

    Votes: 7 23.3%

  • Hatred of white supremacists is not bad.

    Votes: 3 10.0%

  • Hatred of white supremacists is not bigotry.

    Votes: 4 13.3%

  • These statements are all true.

    Votes: 14 46.7%
  • Total voters
    30
Ikari said:
It's beyond the pale to even think Trump will actually nuke anyone.
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You sound like a Drunk person telling me you're fine to drive.

Ikari said:
When Trump does eventually leave office and has nuked no one, you won't even try to seek an apology
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I won't need to. If I tell someone not to drive drunk, and they do it anyway but manage to make it home safe. I don't apologize to them for being wrong.

Mark my words. It's not a question of if Trump nukes someone it's a question of when. All it will take is one significant terrorist attack carried out on U.S. soil by a Muslim. If you think cooler heads in the Republican party will prevail you're insanely naive.
 
MrWonka said:
Since you're fond of books I suggest you try a couple of these...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can't_Happen_Here
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1984 has been coming for some time, that has been general Republocrat strategy, it's not anything Trump will have started, just continued. If you want to claim that Trump wants to proliferate our Forever War, then I would agree, as Bush and Obama had as well. Big government, big brother ain't an invention of Trump and it's not new to our system. The Republocrats have been strangling the People with that for quite some time.
 
MrWonka said:
You sound like a Drunk person telling me you're fine to drive.

I won't need to. If I tell someone not to drive drunk, and they do it anyway but manage to make it home safe. I don't apologize to them for being wrong.

Mark my words. It's not a question of if Trump nukes someone it's a question of when. All it will take is one significant terrorist attack carried out on U.S. soil by a Muslim. If you think cooler heads in the Republican party will prevail you're insanely naive.
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Bad analogy is bad. I'm not going to mark your words because it's absolutely absurd to postulate that Trump is going to initiate Nuclear War.
 
Hatred is never a good thing IMO. It's not good for the person doing the hating. And probably doesnt affect the idea or person or act being hated.

But speaking out against what someone believes is morally wrong and making very clear how they believe it's wrong is a personal responsibility IMO.

THere's also a difference between speaking out in a manner that is offensive and hostile and is not constructive (more for feeding the ego) and doing so in a manner that is constructive.
 
Ikari said:
1984 has been coming for some time, that has been general Republocrat strategy, it's not anything Trump will have started, just continued. If you want to claim that Trump wants to proliferate our Perpetual war , then I would agree, as Bush and Obama had as well. Big government, big brother ain't an invention of Trump and it's not new to our system. The Republocrats have been strangling the People with that for quite some time.
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It's been 1984 for years.

It seems like he 's avoiding war with Eurasia and is in a pissing contest with Eastasia. I really don't see it.
 
CitizenBasehead said:
It's been 1984 for years.

It seems like he 's avoiding war with Eurasia and is in a pissing contest with Eastasia. I really don't see it.
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And the use of double speak and his attempts at thought control fit in as well. It's the kettle calling the pot black.

But it all makes sense if you take this for what it is. It's a narrative he wants to write, because the end is to be able to say "it's justifiable to hit someone with a MAGA hat". He wants to justify the use of violent political oppression. So this is then backtracking to try to engineer an argument (though be it a piss poor one) that will come to that conclusions. So it will ignore all the obvious hypocrisies and criticism to assert itself as a "rational" conclusion.

This is what Antifa does too, they want to cause violence so they attempt to reverse engineer an argument that leads to that conclusion. It's all crap, of course, and quite caustic to a Free Republic, but freedom and liberty are not their goals. Their goal is oppression.
 
Ikari said:
And the use of double speak and his attempts at thought control fit in as well. It's the kettle calling the pot black.

But it all makes sense if you take this for what it is. It's a narrative he wants to write, because the end is to be able to say "it's justifiable to hit someone with a MAGA hat". He wants to justify the use of violent political oppression. So this is then backtracking to try to engineer an argument (though be it a piss poor one) that will come to that conclusions. So it will ignore all the obvious hypocrisies and criticism to assert itself as a "rational" conclusion.

This is what Antifa does too, they want to cause violence so they attempt to reverse engineer an argument that leads to that conclusion. It's all crap, of course, and quite caustic to a Free Republic, but freedom and liberty are not their goals. Their goal is oppression.
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As one might expect with Poeish material, I thought it was going the other way. I thought it was "Bigotry is always wrong. Poor nazis don't deserve bigotry. " [note: hate of nazis is not bigotry]

But then how does the OP work? Hitting a nazi is not bigotry? I agree. Opposition to nazis is based in rational decision making, not intolerance. Bigotry requires intolerance.

So, punching a nazi is not bigotry. But it's still wrong, unless self defense. So his argument has nothing to do with his conclusion?
 
ecofarm said:
So his argument has nothing to do with his conclusion?
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There's no coherent, logical stream that's going to get you there. There's jumps all over the place, but he's been defending the use of violence against Trump supporters and this thread is just one in many where he tries to provide some fundamental justification for it.
 
MrWonka said:
No, you just refuse to accept the proof. If you need me to go through it again I will try, but this is getting tiresome.
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There is no "proof" to be accepted. Bigotry is a judgement call. That means it's subjective.
 
MrWonka said:
But they are all at minimum massive idiots who would allow an overt racist, sexist, xenophobe, islamophobe, homophobe, narcissistic, egomaniac, liar, manipulator, and criminal gain access to nuclear weapons and to be put in charge of incredibly important decisions that impact the lives of over 300 million people in this country, and billions more around the world.

This information is enough for me to judge your character with accuracy.
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Pakistan also has nuclear weapons. Yet you are good with that?
I would not be surprised if their FIRE button was on a vending machine out in the lobby.
Yet you think someone in the US of whom you described with no less than ten....count em'...ten...adjectives is a bigger threat?

(looking up the definition of "deranged". Seeing your post in the book)
 
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PleasantValley said:
Pakistan also has nuclear weapons. Yet you are good with that?
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No, but we can't control that by doing something as simple as voting smarter.


PleasantValley said:
Yet you think someone in the US of whom you described with no less than ten....count em'...ten...adjectives is a bigger threat?

(looking up the definition of "deranged". Seeing your post in the book)
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No, I think you had better look up the definition of cognitive dissonance. It's what happens when your ego, won't allow you to admit that your own shortcomings. Like the inability to recognize the next Hitler and not let him into office.
 
CitizenBasehead said:
This is coming from a DemSoc party member that's thought-policing evil capitalist. The MSM is the Ministry of Truth, FFS. You really need to re-read that book.
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We're not the ones going around telling people to ignore what they see with their eyes and ears.
 
MrWonka said:
No, I got it. You're just not getting mine. Donald Trump is going down in history alongside Adolf Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Joesph McCarthy, King Herod... That stupid hat will be remembered similarly to the way the Swastika, the Hamer and Sickle, the N-word, and burning crosses currently are.

Remember how the bombing of Hiroshima and Japanese internment camps kind of got swept under the rug by the fact that we defeated Hitler and ended the Holocaust? If those imperfections can be ignored then certainly nobody will care about the stealing of a MAGA hat or the punching of a Trump supporter. Trump and his ****ty supporters will be so universally loathed that minor indiscretions like this will be at best overlooked, and at worst laughed at.
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Okay.
 
MrWonka said:
You sound like a Drunk person telling me you're fine to drive.


I won't need to. If I tell someone not to drive drunk, and they do it anyway but manage to make it home safe. I don't apologize to them for being wrong.

Mark my words. It's not a question of if Trump nukes someone it's a question of when. All it will take is one significant terrorist attack carried out on U.S. soil by a Muslim. If you think cooler heads in the Republican party will prevail you're insanely naive.
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You think that Trump is just gonna up and nuke some people?
 
Bodhisattva said:
You think that Trump is just gonna up and nuke some people?
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That would not surprise in the least. He believes he can force people to do what he wants by showing strength. His base hates Muslims, and most of the Muslim world. If Donald Trump tried to nuke Tehran Iran large swaths of his base would absolutely love him for doing it. They believe they are in a war with Islam and if we don't kill the Muslims the Muslims will kill us. Name something else that is rabid base would love for him to do that he hasn't tried to do.

If G.W. Bush can use an attack like 9/11 to justify a war in Iraq what do you think Trump would use a similar attack to justify? He'll wait for a moment when the country is angry and reeling from an Islamic Terrorist Attack, he'll sense the timing and the mood is right, and he'll want a swift and decisive response. Mark my words he will try to launch nukes. It will be up to his generals to stop him.
 
MrWonka said:
That would not surprise in the least. He believes he can force people to do what he wants by showing strength. His base hates Muslims, and most of the Muslim world. If Donald Trump tried to nuke Tehran Iran large swaths of his base would absolutely love him for doing it. They believe they are in a war with Islam and if we don't kill the Muslims the Muslims will kill us. Name something else that is rabid base would love for him to do that he hasn't tried to do.

If G.W. Bush can use an attack like 9/11 to justify a war in Iraq what do you think Trump would use a similar attack to justify? He'll wait for a moment when the country is angry and reeling from an Islamic Terrorist Attack, he'll sense the timing and the mood is right, and he'll want a swift and decisive response. Mark my words he will try to launch nukes. It will be up to his generals to stop him.
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Bush did not nuke anybody... the entire notion that Trump would is retarded.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Bush did not nuke anybody... the entire notion that Trump would is retarded.
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So because a mildly sane Republican didn't nuke someone that prevents a completely insane Republican from doing it? What are some other things that Trump hasn't done because Bush didn't do it either?

You do know that George W. Bush voted for Clinton in 2016 because he thought Trump was too reckless and extreme right?
 
MrWonka said:
So because a mildly sane Republican didn't nuke someone that prevents a completely insane Republican from doing it? What are some other things that Trump hasn't done because Bush didn't do it either?

You do know that George W. Bush voted for Clinton in 2016 because he thought Trump was too reckless and extreme right?
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Your use of the term Republican instead of politician (or another generic term) is telling... besides, I was just using your analogy of the war.
 
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