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► On How Many Counts will Paul Manafort be Found Guilty in Virginia? [Poll Included]

On How Many Counts will Paul Manafort be Found Guilty in Virginia?


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I don't know the facts either, but I will leave you with this opinion piece by Alan Dershowitz... Does what Dershowitz wrote worry you at all? Is this the way you want our justice system to work?

He said it's clear that Mueller's team is targeting Trump and the people around him, and they're attempting to use Manafort to do so.

"He's a means toward the end. And that's just not the way justice should operate," Dershowitz said. "Civil libertarians have long been opposed of that method of squeezing witnesses -- indicting them for kind of unrelated crimes and then trying to get them to testify against more important people."

He added that a concern is that not only will Manafort "sing," he will "compose," meaning that he might make things up or exaggerate because the better story he tells, the better deal he will get.


Dershowitz: Mueller Is 'Squeezing' Manafort to Get to Trump | Fox News Insider
That's one man's opinion, but I believe Mueller will follow the evidence where it leads. It sounds like Alan D is prepping the Trump crowd if the investigation does indeed lead to the President.
 
Mueller looks determined and confident.Trump is the one protesting too much.If he's truly innocent he would sit down and answer any/all questions asked by Mueller..But dollars to donuts says he ain't gonna do that because he's most likely guilty as hell on numerous accounts.Of course,none of us will know the outcome until Mueller is finished w.his investigation....and the noose is ever tightening around Trump.I can't wait for Woodward's book to be released on 9/11.That may very well be the 'coup de gras.'

OOOoooooh. *claps hands*

Wasn't aware of this. Cannot wait.
 
Interesting. I must admit I very much value your opinion. Not just as a matter of respect, but as a matter of expressed knowledge.

I'm a bit more sanguine though, and find it hard to believe the prosecution's documentation alone will not support at least a handful of guilty verdicts. And it couldn't happen to a better guy.

I also have little doubt ol' Paulie will walk eventually, due to Presidential Pardon ...

Does Manafort have any legal issues in NY? Anything the NYSAG could go after him for? Haven't been following that closely. Am weaning myself away politically.
 
i'm going with a minimum of guilty on 13 counts. The defense did practically nothing to dispute or impugn the integrity of any of the documentary evidence. Which is what usually drives convictions in these type of cases.

Did they need to, though? Honestly? If he's going to be pardoned, why work up a sweat?
 
Zero.

It's cynical Tuesday, what can I say?

The guy is obviously a career white collar criminal, but they have different rules. If you or I pulled a Trump U scam, we'd being doing 20 years and have had our financial lives taken from us.
 
Did they need to, though? Honestly? If he's going to be pardoned, why work up a sweat?

LOL! Thought you said you were trying to wean yourself from the politics. Looks to me like you’re not trying all that hard.
 
LOL! Thought you said you were trying to wean yourself from the politics. Looks to me like you’re not trying all that hard.

Have you seen how often I've been on here talking politics in the last couple of months, compared to how I used to be here talking politics?

Take a look, and then get back with me.
 
Does Manafort have any legal issues in NY? Anything the NYSAG could go after him for? Haven't been following that closely. Am weaning myself away politically.

Just this morning I thought to myself "What happened to Certified Brainiac.Superfly?" Yeah, plenty of us already recognized your wide Interdisciplinary intelligence. The degree put the Cherry on Top! I still bask in the shadow of your Glory!

On to Manafort - I believe he has his greatest hopes on a Presidential Pardon or Commutation. I know nothing of any pending NY-based charges against Manafort.

He does have another federal trial scheduled for mid-September.
The former campaign chairman for President Donald Trump is due back in court in Washington next month for a second trial centered on allegations of lying to the FBI, money laundering and foreign lobbying.

This time prosecutors say they have even more evidence – more than double the amount they showed jurors in Virginia.

In a court filing Thursday, Manafort's attorney said special counsel Robert Mueller's office has supplied "well over 1,000" exhibits for the trial. In the Virginia case, his office had about 400 exhibits.

The trial is set to begin in front of U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson on Sept. 17.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...aul-manafort-second-trial-mueller/1034142002/
 
Just this morning I thought to myself "What happened to Certified Brainiac.Superfly?" Yeah, plenty of us already recognized your wide Interdisciplinary intelligence. The degree put the Cherry on Top! I still bask in the shadow of your Glory!

It's official. You are my new favorite around here. Sorry to those of you who have fallen off the pedestal.

On to Manafort - I believe he has his greatest hopes on a Presidential Pardon or Commutation. I know nothing of any pending NY-based charges against Manafort.

*sigh*


You mean another pardonable case? :( :(
 
The judge clearly directed that this case was not about convicting the rich of being rich. The left would love to convict all of the rich for white collar crimes.

Unless they're Democrats.
 
Unless they're Democrats.

I'm a Democrat,and I've posted in this very forum that ANYONE who breaks the law should be subject to the laws of the land...No exceptions.When one makes blanket statements,much more often than not, they open themselves to their positive claims to be challenged,debunked,dismissed.
 
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With the jury sending a note to the judge about one charge it sends me to believe he has some cases as guilty charges. I do not believe he has 17 not guilty verdicts
 
With the jury sending a note to the judge about one charge it sends me to believe he has some cases as guilty charges. I do not believe he has 17 not guilty verdicts

This trial may be over today or tomorrow. Today's news.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...e-trial-update?cmpId=yhoo.headline&yptr=yahoo

Jurors Return After Lengthy Day on Monday (9:35 a.m.)
The panel asked no questions during extended deliberations on Monday, fueling speculation that a verdict was close.


Another Question to Judge (11:07 a.m.)
After about an hour and a half of deliberations, jurors sent a note to Ellis, briefly sending reporters scrambling to learn whether they were informing him they’d reached a verdict. Instead, the note contained another question to the judge, CNN later reported. The nature of the query wasn’t immediately clear.


Single Count (11:44 a.m.)
“Your Honor, if we cannot come to a consensus on a single count, how should we fill in the jury verdict form for that count, and what does it mean for the final verdict?” the jurors asked in their note. “We will need another form, please.”


Back in Deliberations (12:00 p.m.)
U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III urged the jurors to give a fresh look at the evidence and try to reach a consensus on all of the counts.

“Listen to each other,” Ellis said, but “don’t surrender your honest convictions.”

They’ll get lunch shortly, and it’s unclear if they’ll deliberate through the meal or resume afterwards.

“Take all the time which you feel is necessary,” Ellis said.
 
I don't have to answer yours. It's clear that you are quite OK with an unethical justice system.
I'm not.
And your strawman is not worthy of comment because you are attempting to compare the POTUS with a mobster. Silly comparison.

I simply worry that Manafort might make up stuff about Trump or Trump's family members to save his own neck. Manafort is a bad dude. He does not deserve leniency for being a snitch.

So if you feel this justice system is unethical, then release all the incarcerated mob bosses, yes?
 
Unless they're Democrats.

Thanks for the clarification on that. You are right. A liberal Democrat like Bill Gates, Soros, Warren, Pelosi, Hollywood and the like, are never attacked no matter how rich they are but all rich people on the right are attacked mercilessly and are nothing but pure evil.
 
I don't have to answer yours. It's clear that you are quite OK with an unethical justice system.
I'm not.
And your strawman is not worthy of comment because you are attempting to compare the POTUS with a mobster. Silly comparison.

I simply worry that Manafort might make up stuff about Trump or Trump's family members to save his own neck. Manafort is a bad dude. He does not deserve leniency for being a snitch.

Trump's background is the Atlantic City gambling operations. The gambling industry is nothing but mobsters. I believe you have things backwards, being that Trump is the mobster, and Manafort is just the right arm of the mobster.
 
The jury has a verdict of 8 charges and deadlocked in 10. Breaking on MSNBC
 
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