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Should Pres Trump ban birth tourism and citizenship by birth?

Should Trump crack down on birth tourism/chain migration/cit. by birth?

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Bucky said:
Wrong. There has been no Supreme Court case involving someone born from illegal immigrants.
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Does have to be. Constitution says if you're born here you're a citizen.
 
Should Pres Trump ban birth tourism and citizenship by birth?
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he does not have that authority, nor should he.
 
Bucky said:
So you have no problems when foreigners get tourists visas, come here and give birth to gain automatic citizenship and then that baby growing up and sponsoring multiple family members with green cards?
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It's amazing how you can manage to read so much bull**** into a post so short.

I do not have a problem with altering the 14th Amendment to change how birthright citizenship is assigned. I think it's something we should be discussing.

I have a hell of a problem with bootlicking authoritarians giving the President the authority to revise or ignore the Constitution and our Constututional rights to do something right now about a problem that has been known to exist for over a century and has never been an existential threat to our Republic and its Constitution. In general, I do not approve of morons dismantling the Constitution a piece at a time because it's their party's turn in office.

I believe in preserving the Constitution. That's what my teachers taught me that being a patriot meant.
 
Bucky said:
Born in the U.S to U.S citizens or foreign born ambassadors.

Not unauthorized immigrants.
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What about authorized immigrants? It seems the language is clear that all kids born here are citizens, and we would need to amend number 14 to change this.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
It's amazing how you can manage to read so much bull**** into a post so short.

I do not have a problem with altering the 14th Amendment to change how birthright citizenship is assigned. I think it's something we should be discussing.

I have a hell of a problem with bootlicking authoritarians giving the President the authority to revise or ignore the Constitution and our Constututional rights to do something right now about a problem that has been known to exist for over a century and has never been an existential threat to our Republic and its Constitution. In general, I do not approve of morons dismantling the Constitution a piece at a time because it's their party's turn in office.

I believe in preserving the Constitution. That's what my teachers taught me that being a patriot meant.
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Let's evaluate.

Illegal immigrants are criminals, so instead of following the law and deporting them back where they came from, we reward their children with citizenship and full access to our public and social services like a Buffett.

There are organized/criminal efforts taking advantage of the noble concept of birthright citizeships. A hospital in LA for example has 2/3 babies whose parents are not legal citizens.
 
Oceanborn said:
Unfortunately, this is not likely something that Trump can fix by himself. The fourteenth Amendment should be repealed, but the odds of that happening are extremely low.
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The 14th amendment on refers to slaves, not illegal immigrants.
 
Trump should pressure Congress into amending the constitution. Almost no other nation has jus soli.
 
Moot said:
To the red bolded.....that's pure baloney. Unless a law has a stated expiration date...then the law remains enforce until it's amended or repealed. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Whats your constitutional basis for the bolded.

The debate concerning the resolution of the freed slave problem is well documented, the intention was clear. Some, many things, come with their own naturally occurring expiration date. Not only logical but provable. Additionally, amendments should not be contrived, construed to mean things they were never intended.

Example: What is the logic and benefit undergirding this twisting of the amendment to include birthright citizenship?
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Whats your constitutional basis for the bolded.

The debate concerning the resolution of the freed slave problem is well documented, the intention was clear. Some, many things, come with their own naturally occurring expiration date. Not only logical but provable. Additionally, amendments should not be contrived, construed to mean things they were never intended.

Example: What is the logic and benefit undergirding this twisting of the amendment to include birthright citizenship?
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See post #3.
 
Oceanborn said:
Unfortunately, this is not likely something that Trump can fix by himself. The fourteenth Amendment should be repealed, but the odds of that happening are extremely low.
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Obama established DACA with nothing but a pen and a phone. obama got pen and phone trump got eraser.jpg
 
Bucky said:
Nothing in the U.S Constitution says a person born in the U.S to illegal immigrants should automatically be granted citizenship.

I also think the U.S needs to crack down on the birth tourism industry.

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/23/17595...zenship-amendment-illegal-immigrants-children

Although I do not support a full ban on allowing foreign born pregnant women from entering the U.S, I think the rules and laws need to change drastically!

https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/de...ile-pregnant-and-what-are-the-risks-involved?
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Where is the voting option for "A President Does Not Have The Authority To Do This Because We Live In A Constitutional Republic, Which Is Something Conservatives Used To Understand"?
 
Bucky said:
Nothing in the U.S Constitution says a person born in the U.S to illegal immigrants should automatically be granted citizenship.

I also think the U.S needs to crack down on the birth tourism industry.



https://www.vox.com/2018/7/23/17595...zenship-amendment-illegal-immigrants-children

Although I do not support a full ban on allowing foreign born pregnant women from entering the U.S, I think the rules and laws need to change drastically!



https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/de...ile-pregnant-and-what-are-the-risks-involved?
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Congress or the States have to amend the Constitution, and we need to do this. Stop anchor babies, stop "Born here, citizen!" This is to stop the abuse of the system, the abuse of our generosity.
 
Moot said:
See post #3.
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Like I said (post34), "Whats your constitutional basis for the bolded.

The debate concerning the resolution of the freed slave problem is well documented, the intention was clear. Some, many things, come with their own naturally occurring expiration date. Not only logical but provable. Additionally, amendments should not be contrived, construed to mean things they were never intended.

Example: What is the logic and benefit undergirding this twisting of the amendment to include birthright citizenship?
 
Bucky said:
Nothing in the U.S Constitution says a person born in the U.S to illegal immigrants should automatically be granted citizenship.

I also think the U.S needs to crack down on the birth tourism industry.



https://www.vox.com/2018/7/23/17595...zenship-amendment-illegal-immigrants-children

Although I do not support a full ban on allowing foreign born pregnant women from entering the U.S, I think the rules and laws need to change drastically!



https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/de...ile-pregnant-and-what-are-the-risks-involved?
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Yes on banning birth tourism. People should not be allowed into the country so that they can pop out an instant citizen.

Yes on banning the chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children. This can be done by repealing part of the immigration and naturalization act that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse and minor children. While this wouldn't end birth right citizenship it would end anchor babies since those born here to illegals wouldn't be able to facilitate the chain migration of their parents and other relatives who are not a spouse or minor children.


Yes on banning birth right citizenship to children of illegals.Although that might require a constitutional amendment due to illegal alien ass kissers on the supreme court.

The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution
Senator Jacob Howard worked closely with Abraham Lincoln in drafting and passing the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which abolished slavery. He also served on the Senate Joint Committee on Reconstruction, which drafted the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."
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Bucky said:
Wrong. There has been no Supreme Court case involving someone born from illegal immigrants.
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The right is given to the person born under the jurisdiction of the US Constitution.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
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That is pretty straight forward. Not a word about parents.
 
jamesrage said:
Yes on banning birth tourism. People should not be allowed into the country so that they can pop out an instant citizen.

Yes on banning the chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children. This can be done by repealing part of the immigration and naturalization act that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse and minor children. While this wouldn't end birth right citizenship it would end anchor babies since those born here to illegals wouldn't be able to facilitate the chain migration of their parents and other relatives who are not a spouse or minor children.


Yes on banning birth right citizenship to children of illegals.Although that might require a constitutional amendment due to illegal alien ass kissers on the supreme court.

The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution
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The problem is ...what was 'intended' for the 14th mean does not matter if the actual words were not put down on paper.

A contract is as good as the words put down on paper.
 
Idk the Constitutionality of a ban on it, there are a few ways you could probably argue it.

But yea, I think we need to change the birthright citizenship law.
 
Trump doesn't have the power to end the practice. It would require an amendment to the Constitution.
 
Bucky said:
Nothing in the U.S Constitution says a person born in the U.S to illegal immigrants should automatically be granted citizenship.

I also think the U.S needs to crack down on the birth tourism industry.



https://www.vox.com/2018/7/23/17595...zenship-amendment-illegal-immigrants-children

Although I do not support a full ban on allowing foreign born pregnant women from entering the U.S, I think the rules and laws need to change drastically!



https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/de...ile-pregnant-and-what-are-the-risks-involved?
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I’m sorry, what country do you reside in?
 
Why not grant citizenship to the babies who are born in the USA if they apply for it before age 18? But grant the parents nothing so that in the mean time the baby has to go back home with them. Then when they're adults they can go to the USA if they would like to build a life for themselves, pay taxes, etc.

Anyone born on U.S. soil is a U.S. citizen. I don't want that to change.
 
Ikari said:
Trump doesn't have the power to end the practice. It would require an amendment to the Constitution.
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The Constitution? What are you, some kind of Communist?
 
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celticwar17 said:
Idk the Constitutionality of a ban on it, there are a few ways you could probably argue it.

But yea, I think we need to change the birthright citizenship law.
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It is defined as a 'right', therefore it is not a 'law'. Though you can somewhat define rights via legislation, you can not take rights away via legislation (and certainly NOT by Exec Order).

Ikari said:
Trump doesn't have the power to end the practice. It would require an amendment to the Constitution.
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Is it just me or is it truth that many of the people who are rooting for Trump to abolish a constitutional right via exec order were previously outraged about Obama, calling him a dictator, for his use of Executive Orders even though Obama used fewer EO's than any other president since 1900.

It seems like I should do some research and expose some of these people.
 
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