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Another Question For Lefties

Lefties: Would You Take The Trade Offered In The OP?


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While posting in some other threads this question popped into my mind. In order to get rid of Trump right now, would you lefties agree to let Republicans have majority control of both the House and the Senate (60 Republicans or more) for the next eight years in exchange for Trump being gone and being immediately replaced by a Democratic president for eight years? Please stick to the question as is, election cycles aren't taken into account so please don't lecture me about how political election cycles work.
 
While posting in some other threads this question popped into my mind. In order to get rid of Trump right now, would you lefties agree to let Republicans have majority control of both the House and the Senate (60 Republicans or more) for the next eight years in exchange for Trump being gone and being immediately replaced by a Democratic president for eight years? Please stick to the question as is, election cycles aren't taken into account so please don't lecture me about how political election cycles work.

WTF? Hell no they wouldn't.
 
While posting in some other threads this question popped into my mind. In order to get rid of Trump right now, would you lefties agree to let Republicans have majority control of both the House and the Senate (60 Republicans or more) for the next eight years in exchange for Trump being gone and being immediately replaced by a Democratic president for eight years? Please stick to the question as is, election cycles aren't taken into account so please don't lecture me about how political election cycles work.

Trump leaving right now would not see a Democrat in the White house as Pence would replace him and is a Republican.

That is reality.

Try to focus on it please.
 
While posting in some other threads this question popped into my mind. In order to get rid of Trump right now, would you lefties agree to let Republicans have majority control of both the House and the Senate (60 Republicans or more) for the next eight years in exchange for Trump being gone and being immediately replaced by a Democratic president for eight years? Please stick to the question as is, election cycles aren't taken into account so please don't lecture me about how political election cycles work.

If I could pick the president, and both chambers of the Congress -- that is just a fantasy -- and fantasies is not my cup of tea. I always played the long game since my college days. i have been thinking of the 2040's and 2050's since the second half of the 1980's.
 
Trump leaving right now would not see a Democrat in the White house as Pence would replace him and is a Republican.

That is reality.

Try to focus on it please.

The OP posed a question on a fictitious scenario to get a discussion going. He even asked that we not do EXACTLY what your post did. That's the reality, and your post didn't focus at all on the reality of this thread.

I thought it was a rather interesting question, and would help gauge whether it's Trump that is the problem with members on the left, or if it's the GOP having any power at all that's the problem. Since I'm not a "lefty" I'm not giving my opinion.

Do you have a comment on the actual thread topic?
 
While posting in some other threads this question popped into my mind. In order to get rid of Trump right now, would you lefties agree to let Republicans have majority control of both the House and the Senate (60 Republicans or more) for the next eight years in exchange for Trump being gone and being immediately replaced by a Democratic president for eight years? Please stick to the question as is, election cycles aren't taken into account so please don't lecture me about how political election cycles work.

No, because I'm confident we can do far better in the imminent future.
 
While posting in some other threads this question popped into my mind. In order to get rid of Trump right now, would you lefties agree to let Republicans have majority control of both the House and the Senate (60 Republicans or more) for the next eight years in exchange for Trump being gone and being immediately replaced by a Democratic president for eight years? Please stick to the question as is, election cycles aren't taken into account so please don't lecture me about how political election cycles work.

Without giving it a whole lot of thought, probably a good trade. I kind of like divided government, and it would leave the judiciary and the cabinet and other executive branch officials in Democratic hands. And under the terms offered, it's an 8 year term so no real upside for the GOP to obstruct just because - they have Congress and can't get the WH for 8 more years.
 
Trump leaving right now would not see a Democrat in the White house as Pence would replace him and is a Republican.

That is reality.

Try to focus on it please.

It's a hypothetical.
 
I think most of the people who hate Trump above all are moderate. People on the left understand that the problem is republicans in general.
 
NEGATIVE.I still believe in America.I will never make a deal with the devil,until or unless,I lose all faith in our great nation. For all of the good,the bad,and the ugly, the USA still rocks,and as the old adage goes "This too shall pass.' ( in reference to trump and the current make up of Congress.)
 
The OP posed a question on a fictitious scenario to get a discussion going. He even asked that we not do EXACTLY what your post did. That's the reality, and your post didn't focus at all on the reality of this thread.

There is no separate "reality of this thread". There is only one reality and in it the scenario posed could NEVER happen for the reasons I gave.
 
I think most of the people who hate Trump above all are moderate. People on the left understand that the problem is republicans in general.

OK but let's compare it to a likely scenario. Trump stays in office through at least 2020, very possibly through 2024, and at least in 2018 the GOP keeps the Senate with 2.5 more years to stack the courts with right wing justices, including the USSC with Kavanaugh and perhaps 1 or 2 more.

From a practical standpoint as a "lefty" I'd much prefer a Democratic POTUS and a GOP Congress, even one with 60 votes in the Senate. It's not ideal, obviously, but I don't assume Democrats will even win back the House in 2018, and IMO it's dangerous as hell to assume Trump won't be reelected in 2020.
 
There is no separate "reality of this thread". There is only one reality and in it the scenario posed could NEVER happen for the reasons I gave.

Of course it can't happen. Geeze Louise. It's a scenario made up for discussion only. It would be like asking if Cher and Haymarket had a child, what would be the outcome? It's totally unrealistic fantasy, but makes for an interesting discussion, if you'd play along.

Sorry I tried to point that out to you before. I'll presume that you would prefer not to participate, so I'll respect that and back out at this point, again, since I'm not a "lefty."
 
Of course it can't happen. Geeze Louise. It's a scenario made up for discussion only.

Its pointless to "discuss" if you could crap gold and make yourself rich through your digestive system.
Its pointless to "discuss" if you could grow wings and fly everywhere instead of other normal means of human transportation.
Its pointless to "discuss" if we never aged beyond thirty but could live another five hundred years.

But then it seems pointless to "discuss" what reality is with some here as well.
 
There is no separate "reality of this thread". There is only one reality and in it the scenario posed could NEVER happen for the reasons I gave.

Normal Republican Posters, those who USED to be of substance, have gone completely off the deep end of defending anything cult 45, including preferring Russians over Democrats.

They’ll get rid of a criminally insane president as long as they can hold a GUN to the Heads of Democrats. GOPs feel entitled to OWN the Federal Court System and they’ll completely Bastardize the Constitution to get their Fascist Ways.
 
While posting in some other threads this question popped into my mind. In order to get rid of Trump right now, would you lefties agree to let Republicans have majority control of both the House and the Senate (60 Republicans or more) for the next eight years in exchange for Trump being gone and being immediately replaced by a Democratic president for eight years? Please stick to the question as is, election cycles aren't taken into account so please don't lecture me about how political election cycles work.

Once again, why would I make a trade that's inevitably going to happen anyways? :lamo

You seem very nervous lately.
 
There is no separate "reality of this thread". There is only one reality and in it the scenario posed could NEVER happen for the reasons I gave.

So much for the Constitution of these ‘pretend’ GOP Americans for which they say they’ve always stood.

Truly disgraceful and disgusting to every American soldier who has paid the Ultimate Price to a truly Ungrateful and Disrespectful GOP.
 
Its pointless to "discuss" if you could crap gold and make yourself rich through your digestive system.
Its pointless to "discuss" if you could grow wings and fly everywhere instead of other normal means of human transportation.
Its pointless to "discuss" if we never aged beyond thirty but could live another five hundred years.

But then it seems pointless to "discuss" what reality is with some here as well.

Discussion is what this site is all about, and "philosophical" discussions are a major part of the discussions, and if you honestly feel that all that is pointless, then I would suggest that there are millions of folks throughout time, like Aristotle and Plato, that would beg to differ with you.

I'm truly out this time. You can have the last word since that seems to matter.
 
While posting in some other threads this question popped into my mind. In order to get rid of Trump right now, would you lefties agree to let Republicans have majority control of both the House and the Senate (60 Republicans or more) for the next eight years in exchange for Trump being gone and being immediately replaced by a Democratic president for eight years? Please stick to the question as is, election cycles aren't taken into account so please don't lecture me about how political election cycles work.

No, I'm fairly confident that Democrats are going to win back enough seats in November to largely nullify him, and even more seats plus the white house in 2020 not to mention the governors and state legislatures necessary to start undoing the damage he's done. With that much power in Congress for that length of time, the damage Republicans could do even with a Democrat in the white house would be tremendous and there's really nothing substantial in terms of a problem solved that the president could do.

Ultimately we have some serious serious ****ing problems that need solving, and until Republicans are obliterated from Washington entirely they're not going to get solved. I'd rather use Trump to motivate a Democratic landslide over the next 2 1/2 years and hope it's enough to permanently wipe out the Republican party once and for all. With the Republican base continuing to age, and more young democrats turning 18 every day I really like our chances of destroying Republicans entirely.
 
While posting in some other threads this question popped into my mind. In order to get rid of Trump right now, would you lefties agree to let Republicans have majority control of both the House and the Senate (60 Republicans or more) for the next eight years in exchange for Trump being gone and being immediately replaced by a Democratic president for eight years? Please stick to the question as is, election cycles aren't taken into account so please don't lecture me about how political election cycles work.

I think you have your answer, No Deal.
 
No, I'm fairly confident that Democrats are going to win back enough seats in November to largely nullify him, and even more seats plus the white house in 2020 not to mention the governors and state legislatures necessary to start undoing the damage he's done. With that much power in Congress for that length of time, the damage Republicans could do even with a Democrat in the white house would be tremendous and there's really nothing substantial in terms of a problem solved that the president could do.

Ultimately we have some serious serious ****ing problems that need solving, and until Republicans are obliterated from Washington entirely they're not going to get solved. I'd rather use Trump to motivate a Democratic landslide over the next 2 1/2 years and hope it's enough to permanently wipe out the Republican party once and for all. With the Republican base continuing to age, and more young democrats turning 18 every day I really like our chances of destroying Republicans entirely.

You forgot the US Senate, which Democrats will take back in 2020. My favorite for the POTUS/VP is currently Bullock/Klobuchar; the two best grownups in the Democratic Party.

With 85 days until E-Day, Good for you to point out the 36 Governors up this year and almost every one of the 99 state legislative bodies, both of whom will write the 43 congressional remaps and the 99 state ones in 2021.
 
The OP posed a question on a fictitious scenario to get a discussion going. He even asked that we not do EXACTLY what your post did. That's the reality, and your post didn't focus at all on the reality of this thread.

I thought it was a rather interesting question, and would help gauge whether it's Trump that is the problem with members on the left, or if it's the GOP having any power at all that's the problem. Since I'm not a "lefty" I'm not giving my opinion.

Do you have a comment on the actual thread topic?

Trump is a problem.

The GOP having total control is a problem.

The only upside to this that will last at all is that what Trump and the GOP really stand for is out from under the rocks where we can all see what it's like.
 
While posting in some other threads this question popped into my mind. In order to get rid of Trump right now, would you lefties agree to let Republicans have majority control of both the House and the Senate (60 Republicans or more) for the next eight years in exchange for Trump being gone and being immediately replaced by a Democratic president for eight years? Please stick to the question as is, election cycles aren't taken into account so please don't lecture me about how political election cycles work.

Excellent question. I'm assuming that you're trying to figure out how many of us are at least consistent, and how many of us take our hatred of the president to the point of irrationally compromising our goals and convictions.

I'm probably going to be in the minority here, but absolutely not. It's worth noting that I'm not part of the 'resistance' and I'm viciously anti-establishment. I despise the president, but I feel like he's a symptom of a much larger problem. As crazy and unhinged as he seems to be to those of us on the left, there was a time that we all couldn't fathom a more incompetent, more disastrous president than George W. Bush.

The fact that no party has been able to hold the White House for more than one or two terms in decades shouldn't be taken for granted. It's a sign that Americans trust neither of the parties, and I don't believe they are wrong to feel that way. We can't agree on who's exactly to blame, or the specifics of what's wrong, but in a country where we grow up being taught to be prideful of our democratic process, hardly anyone actually participates in it. I strongly believe that the public is weary and lacks faith in politics and our politicians, and that it actually doesn't have to be that way.

We progressives (specifically the Berniecrats. I feel that I need to specify, because words like 'progressive' and 'liberal' seem to shift meaning depending on the person using those terms) generally look at the last few decades with a great deal of disdain for third-way Democrats, or neoliberalism. While conservatives may view things as becoming too liberal, particularly from a social front (SJWs, political correctness, anti-free-speech campuses), we see our own party as having become increasingly right-wing in terms of economic policy, to the point where both parties having the same sponsors has become a sad running joke. The Democrats really don't stand for anything. They pay lip service to identity politics while bending to will of Wall St.

My point? If we hadn't elected Trump during the last election cycle, we would have almost certainly elected him in the next, or someone worse. I know that's not a popular opinion, but only because a lack of imagination, and I've learned not to test Murphy's law. Suppose we oust Trump in favor of another lackluster Dem that spends the next eight years doing nothing to instill confidence in leftist policies; people on the left feel that he's far too authoritarian, and I share those sentiments, but what happens when we elect someone that is even more authoritarian, or possibly a more competent authoritarian? What if Trump is simply the prototype of what's to come if we don't do something to change the course of public discourse?

We could oust Trump, and even replace him with an actual progressive that my ilk would approve of, but I wouldn't stack Congress with Republicans in order to accomplish this. That stands to effectively neuter the new administration, and mediocrity simply won't do. We need out of this vicious cycle, more than anything else. I feel like the only way to do that is through another FDR, and through decisive, real change.

But, hey, if I'm wrong about the viability of my economic stance, my whole ideal will completely backfire and end up destroying my movement in the same manner that hoped/hope that Trump would mark the end of the Republican party as we know it, so there's that.

So was that par for the course, or a bit off the rails from what you expected?
 
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