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Will you vote for more regulations, higher taxes and Government intrusion in your life in November?

Will you be voting be voting for Democrats in November?

  • Yes I am voting for the Democrats in the upcoming election

    Votes: 61 57.0%

  • No I am voting GOP

    Votes: 31 29.0%

  • OTHER Below

    Votes: 15 14.0%
  • Total voters
    107
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ttwtt78640 said:
When did the need for federal taxation sufficient to pay for current (and increasing) federal spending go away? I'm all for less federal government power and expense but not for continued borrowing from future generations to fund the re-election of those now in power.
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Amen.
 
Moderate Right said:
Republicans lowered taxes on the poor, allowing many more of the poor to pay zero taxes than there were before.
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The vast majority of tax breaks went to the wealthy. The poor and middle class got the sloppy seconds. The tax breaks were supposed to be something that people would get excited about and thank Republicans come election time. As it is, the topic is a dud, no one is even campaigning on this issue because Americans realize they got nothing.

I still recall the lady who thanked the GOP for the tax plan because she saved enough to pay her Costco membership for the year.
 
If this thread is not evidence enough for the need for a 3rd party... :shock:
 
Kreton said:
I am voting "D" up and down the board every election for the near future regardless of the candidate. We absolutely need people in office who will stand up against Trump. It doesn't matter what their stance on anything else is. As long as they oppose Trump they have my vote.
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Interesting. You do know that what most of what a President wants to accomplish has to be passed by Congress. There are people running for Congress that are D, R, and I, that do not support President Trump in all of his ideas. So you are going to just vote D without looking at who is the best candidate. Your choice. Not mine.

(side note. I did not vote for Trump).
 
Moderate Right said:
Republicans lowered taxes on the poor, allowing many more of the poor to pay zero taxes than there were before.
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Federal taxation has been lower than federal spending for decades regardless of whether the party for a bigger federal government or the party for a huge federal government has held the majority in DC. The recent shift to try to get tariffs to replace lost income taxation revenue is troubling - those tariff costs (resulting in higher consumer product prices) are naturally going to be born by those who must spend a larger portion of their income on personal consumption (i.e. the less wealthy).
 
Floridafan said:
The vast majority of tax breaks went to the wealthy. The poor and middle class got the sloppy seconds. The tax breaks were supposed to be something that people would get excited about and thank Republicans come election time. As it is, the topic is a dud, no one is even campaigning on this issue because Americans realize they got nothing.

I still recall the lady who thanked the GOP for the tax plan because she saved enough to pay her Costco membership for the year.
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Someone recommended that Paul Ryan delete that tweet....
 
Redress said:
Troll threads are bipartisan. That you do not understand that is sad.
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I do understand that. That's why I said Democrats have beaten the hell out of us in the number of troll threads, which is an acknowledgement that both sides do troll threads.
 
Whether Dem or third party I don’t know yet. It is improbable I will ever vote for a Republican again.
 
Floridafan said:
The vast majority of tax breaks went to the wealthy. The poor and middle class got the sloppy seconds. The tax breaks were supposed to be something that people would get excited about and thank Republicans come election time. As it is, the topic is a dud, no one is even campaigning on this issue because Americans realize they got nothing.

I still recall the lady who thanked the GOP for the tax plan because she saved enough to pay her Costco membership for the year.
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With you guys it's always a case of Bobby got more. The rich paid the very huge majority of federal income taxes (not to mention other taxes) so when you cut taxes, obviously they wind up getting a bigger tax break. They still pay the huge majority of the taxes, a fact that your uber partisanship refuses to acknowledge and you also refuse to acknowledge that the poor are paying less taxes than they did before.
 
Moderate Right said:
There are Republicans running who are not Trumpists. Would you vote for them, or are all Republicans Trumpists?
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Enough of them are to agree with cutting federal taxes while increasing federal spending. That is pure Trumpism at its worst.
 
Moderate Right said:
I do understand that. That's why I said Democrats have beaten the hell out of us in the number of troll threads, which is an acknowledgement that both sides do troll threads.
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No, your post is the epitome of blind partisan hackery.
 
Praxas said:
Versus voting for racism, rich over the poor, polluting the environment, keep America white again Republicans like yourself.
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Playing that phony race card never gets old for you, does it...

When are you going to wake up and realize that identity politics is ripping society apart and slowly destroying the nation? Or a better question would be, when are you going to put the well being of the country ahead of partisan politics?

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Moderate Right said:
With you guys it's always a case of Bobby got more. The rich paid the very huge majority of federal income taxes (not to mention other taxes) so when you cut taxes, obviously they wind up getting a bigger tax break. They still pay the huge majority of the taxes, a fact that your uber partisanship refuses to acknowledge and you also refuse to acknowledge that the poor are paying less taxes than they did before.
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First of all, we were told that this would be a middle class tax break, which as it turned out was a lie. Secondly, corporations received a huge tax break and we were told that jobs would be created. However, as we knew, the money saved by these companies went to stock buy backs, dividends and executive compensation. Exactly what happened with Bush tax cuts.
Little of any went to the workers, in fact 3% or less received salary increases or bonuses. Now we hear that Trump and the Congress want to give billions more because long term capital gain rates are too high at 20%.
 
Yes.

I voted mixed ballots prior to 2012. The rise of Trump and the alt-right, and the total gutless/indifferent reaction to the utter debasing of American politics, ensured that the Republican party will no longer get my vote unless that party is completely torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.
 
Grim17 said:
Playing that phony race card never gets old for you, does it...

When are you going to wake up and realize that identity politics is ripping society apart and slowly destroying the nation? Or a better question would be, when are you going to put the well being of the country ahead of partisan politics?

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Trump and Trump supporters are destroying this country. That is fact. You support having a president that sends non-stop tweet attacks and constantly divide. When you hold that POS accountable for what he does, then I'll consider what you have to say. Until then, handle YOUR side first, then speak to me.
 
As Mr. Wonk said above, this is a strawman thread title.

However, nobody, especially Democrats want more regulations, regardless of what the regulations do. We want sensible regulations to keep the air and water clean; workers safe, fairly paid and not exploited; consumers protected from unscrupulous corporations.

As for "higher taxes" if you want a government that provides benefits, you need taxes. Democrats firmly believe in a progressive income tax that taxes the wealthy more than workers. Republicans believe in the opposite. I believe that American voters side with the Democratic view.

Regarding, "Government intrusion in your life," you are confused. Republicans want to intrude into your bedroom and regulate a woman's womb -- not Democrats. You see, Republicans are hypocrites on this matter. According to Republicans, freedom and liberty belong to corporations to do whatever they want to their employees and the environment. However, if you are a minority, they want to pass strict laws that make it harder for you to vote.
 
Floridafan said:
The vast majority of tax breaks went to the wealthy. The poor and middle class got the sloppy seconds. The tax breaks were supposed to be something that people would get excited about and thank Republicans come election time. As it is, the topic is a dud, no one is even campaigning on this issue because Americans realize they got nothing.

I still recall the lady who thanked the GOP for the tax plan because she saved enough to pay her Costco membership for the year.
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Perhaps the reason for republicants not mentioning reduced federal income taxation rates is that it would raise the issue of greater federal deficit spending. The Trump promise to tax less and spend more is exactly why I did not vote for him.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Perhaps the reason for republicants not mentioning reduced federal income taxation rates is that it would raise the issue of greater federal deficit spending. The Trump promise to tax less and spend more is exactly why I did not vote for him.
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Actually, Trump promised all kinds of things that he lied about (not surprising, I know). He promised to raise taxes on the rich and to payoff the debt in 8 years. He ended up doing what Republicans in power always do, lower taxes on the richest and run up higher deficits.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Perhaps the reason for republicants not mentioning reduced federal income taxation rates is that it would raise the issue of greater federal deficit spending. The Trump promise to tax less and spend more is exactly why I did not vote for him.
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The average tax cut for the middle 20 % of the population was 780 $ a year, or 15 bucks a week. Source: https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/sites/default/files/publication/154006/the_effect_of_the_tcja_individual_income_tax_provisions_across_income_groups_and_across_the_states.pdf). That means that about half of all taxpayers got less than that. Not terribly exciting, nor is it going to have a real impact on those families. That is why republicans are not running on it.
 
Moderate Right said:
There are Republicans running who are not Trumpists. Would you vote for them, or are all Republicans Trumpists?
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No, I won't be supporting Republicans at any level. There must be some division of power, and Democrats are the only non-Trumpist option.
 
Helix said:
No, I won't be supporting Republicans at any level. There must be some division of power, and Democrats are the only non-Trumpist option.
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Then it really doesn't have anything to do with Trump. You just want to vote anti-Republican.
 
Floridafan said:
The vast majority of tax breaks went to the wealthy. The poor and middle class got the sloppy seconds. The tax breaks were supposed to be something that people would get excited about and thank Republicans come election time. As it is, the topic is a dud, no one is even campaigning on this issue because Americans realize they got nothing.

I still recall the lady who thanked the GOP for the tax plan because she saved enough to pay her Costco membership for the year.
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Pure jealously that someone got more than someone else. Since the rich paid the huge majority of the taxes then it is understandable that when taxes are cut, the rich get higher tax cuts than the poor. They still pay the huge majority of the taxes and the poor still got tax cuts.
 
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