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Do you concur with any race-based ideas articulated/acted on/held by white supremacist groups?

Do you concur with any race-based ideas articulated/acted on/held by white supremacist groups?


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I agree with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

"...they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Absolutely. However, conservatives who agree with this are often called racists anyway.

RIP MLK. You were a great man.
 
Simple poll question. Just answer it.

Besides the obvious, I don't know what race-based ideas are articulated or held by white supremacist groups.
 
Oops, I think I hit the wrong button when I voted. Anyway, that might be the only way you're gonna get yes votes, because why would anyone admit to agreeing with white supremacists?
 
I fully disagree that any race is superior/inferior to any other race. Beyond that, I really don’t know what ideas White supremacists articulate/believe/act upon.

I "liked" your post but I need to add that, so far, I have not heard ANYTHING from a White Supremacist that I agree with or indorse. I'm sure I might hear one say, what a beautiful day, and I'd be inclined to agree. But their hate, racism and degrading exclusionist attitude towards minorities has no place in a Great America. I could only vote: NO!
 
Red:
No.

Aside from Beat Haldimann's "metaphorical clocks" (watches really) that measure but don't report time, a clock that continuously displays (reports) a time of day and that isn't otherwise functioning ("ticking," if you will) will, twice each day display the correct time. To wit, twice within each 24 hour period it is 10:10. Or if one prefers, the times of 14:10 and 10:10 each occur once in each 24 hour period, thus twice each day the clock displays the correct time, i.e., "is right."

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Off Topic:
Strictly in horological terms, a watch is a device that measures time, but reporting of the time measured is not a requirement. Beat Haldimann made two watches that play on that idea. (I get the idea and I think the device is handsome. I even think it cheerfully novel in an artsy way, so the idea of it isn't lost on me. That said, I'm not about to buy a watch that doesn't report time. LOL )


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And, no, I'm not particularly interested in watches, but my best friend is, so I've picked up a good deal about watches as a result of having listened to him gush over "this or that" watch and from occasionally joining him at various watch events and/or stores. As for BH, well, I wouldn't rule out buying one if the time, need and occasion comes about for me to do so. They make lovely timepieces. I don't imagine, however, that I'll ever have a need to do so. I'm a watch user, not a watch collector.

I was teasing more about Duke Energy than the 12 o'clock default. My reply was truncated by something I must have done. I intended a broader question, please: Are the NAACP. The congressional Black Caucus, The united Negro College fund; racist?
Regards,
CP
 
Thread poll question:
Do you concur with any race-based ideas articulated/acted on/held by white supremacist groups?​

It's a trap. Anyone who agrees with race based statistic will be labeled a racist by some here.
I didn't ask about race-based statistics (or metrics for that matter) and statistics aren't ideas, they are facts or quantitative inferences/conclusions.
 
Simple poll question. Just answer it.

It's not as simple as you think. I try to listen to all points of view and try to get an idea of how they got there. I don't like the idea of attacking racists. You don't know how they got to be that way. I'm not saying you need to agree with them. One can try to assure a racist that their fears are unfounded or you can be an asshole, virtue signal and attack them.
 
It's not as simple as you think. I try to listen to all points of view and try to get an idea of how they got there. I don't like the idea of attacking racists. You don't know how they got to be that way. I'm not saying you need to agree with them. One can try to assure a racist that their fears are unfounded or you can be an asshole, virtue signal and attack them.

I'm sure you meant a***hole. but to the rest, yes.
Regards,
CP
 
It's not as simple as you think. I try to listen to all points of view and try to get an idea of how they got there. I don't like the idea of attacking racists. You don't know how they got to be that way. I'm not saying you need to agree with them. One can try to assure a racist that their fears are unfounded or you can be an asshole, virtue signal and attack them.

Ahhh...now you get to what should be the second part of the OP's question: What should be done about white supremacists and about the people who concur with their ideas?

Me? I say "nothing"...unless they engage in violence. Those people, even though I disagree with them, have the same 1st Amendment right to express their opinion that I do. But then, I have the same position regarding Antifa.
 
Oops, I think I hit the wrong button when I voted. Anyway, that might be the only way you're gonna get yes votes, because why would anyone admit to agreeing with white supremacists?
Red:

  • Because they do.
  • Because their character is one whereof they know themselves well and don't lie about themselves, most especially to a bunch of strangers on the Internet.
  • Because they are made more of courage than cowardice, most especially with regard to what they may say to a bunch of strangers on the Internet.
I don't care what notions I ascribe to, I don't much care what anyone on the Internet, and most certainly among DP forum members, thinks about the fact that I do, or about me for so doing. I mean, really...It's not as though someone's going to "transport" (a la Star Trek) through the web and appear beside me, and short of that risk, there's nothing else about which a sage person of good character be concerned.
 
I "liked" your post but I need to add that, so far, I have not heard ANYTHING from a White Supremacist that I agree with or indorse. I'm sure I might hear one say, what a beautiful day, and I'd be inclined to agree. But their hate, racism and degrading exclusionist attitude towards minorities has no place in a Great America. I could only vote: NO!

Red:
I get your point, but insofar as it's a tiding, "have a nice day" isn't exactly the sort of statement with which one can agree or disagree. It's a statement of what another wishes for one. What is one to do? Agree that the speaker does so wish? Disagree that the speaker so wishes?
 
Since the white supremacists in C'Ville chanted "you will not replace us" and "Jew will not replace us" it's pretty clear what their race-based views are.
 
Ahhh...now you get to what should be the second part of the OP's question: What should be done about white supremacists and about the people who concur with their ideas?

Me? I say "nothing"...unless they engage in violence. Those people, even though I disagree with them, have the same 1st Amendment right to express their opinion that I do. But then, I have the same position regarding Antifa.

I agree, except, ANTIFA merely exists as a violent reactionary group. Peaceful redress of the government is a right, yes. I have nothing(to date) against anyone who has a problem with the federal government That has been going on since day one. I do have a severe resistance those who use Nazi tactics to disagree, don't you?
Regards,
CP
 
Thread poll question:
Do you concur with any race-based ideas articulated/acted on/held by white supremacist groups?​


I didn't ask about race-based statistics (or metrics for that matter) and statistics aren't ideas, they are facts or quantitative inferences/conclusions.

Actually you said "Any race based idea", a category that would certainly include those thoughts we recognize as true.
 
Simple poll question. Just answer it.
Well, no, not really. IF you were specific about which "race-based" ideas you have in mind we might have something to discuss.
 
Well, no, not really. IF you were specific about which "race-based" ideas you have in mind we might have something to discuss.

Like I said, it's a trap.
 
It's not as simple as you think. I try to listen to all points of view and try to get an idea of how they got there.
Fine. Listen to your heart's content. I didn't ask about what you listen to or are/aren't willing to listen to. I asked whether you "concur with any race-based ideas articulated/acted on/held by white supremacist groups."

If you've heard any race-based ideas -- not mere mentions of existential facts and stats -- but ideas, the inferences and conclusions borne of, articulated by, acted on, and/or held by white supremacists' evaluation of whatever facts they've consumed, ignored and/or considered, your answer needs to be "yes."

I don't like the idea of attacking racists. You don't know how they got to be that way.
Red:
Fine. I didn't ask about what you like. I asked whether you "concur with any race-based ideas articulated/acted on/held by white supremacist groups."

Blue:
Be that as it may, I didn't ask about "how they got to be that way." I asked whether you concur with "any race-based ideas articulated/acted on/held by white supremacist groups."

How "they" got that way isn't germane to whether you concur with their raced-based ideas. How white supremacists "got to be that way" and whether you concur with white supremacists' race-based ideas are two totally separate things, unless one is a white supremacist; however, being a white supremacist, one can still, without regard to how one became so, answer the question I posted. If one is a white supremacist, obviously, one does agree with some or all white supremacist ideas.

I didn't ask about how one "got to be that way" because I'm not interested in learning what DP members who have "gotten that way" might say about how they got that way. As go DP members and their circumstances, I would like to know what I ask about, but what I don't ask about, I don't give a wet rat's ass whether I ever discover it for my life will be every bit as complete with or without knowing.

I'm not saying you need to agree with them. One can try to assure a racist that their fears are unfounded or you can be an asshole, virtue signal and attack them.

Neither am I saying one needs to agree with white supremacists. I've asked whether one does agree with their race-based ideas. That's it.

To wit, there may be a white supremacist who is of a mind that Nemacolin Woods having an on-the-property airstrip makes it a better vacation site than the Homestead, whereof the closest landing strip is about 15 or 20 minutes distant. Well, I that's not a race-based idea, so I don't care to know whether one agrees with it, regardless of who holds it or doesn't, and it's not among the types of ideas about which I asked.
 
Well, no, not really. IF you were specific about which "race-based" ideas you have in mind we might have something to discuss.

I was specific. Any of them.

I'm not interested in which race-based ideas, among the ideas white supremacists hold, one may concur with, just whether one agrees with any of them. One need only concur with one of their race-based ideas for one's answer to be "yes."
 
I agree, except, ANTIFA merely exists as a violent reactionary group. Peaceful redress of the government is a right, yes. I have nothing(to date) against anyone who has a problem with the federal government That has been going on since day one. I do have a severe resistance those who use Nazi tactics to disagree, don't you?
Regards,
CP

I don't know what you mean by "Nazi tactics". But I did state "unless they engage in violence".
 
I was specific. Any of them.
seems like "any" and "specific" would be mutually exclusive.
Xelor said:
I'm not interested in which race-based ideas, among the ideas white supremacists hold, one may concur with, just whether one agrees with any of them. One need only concur with one of their race-based ideas for one's answer to be "yes."
So, you can't specify what those ideas are, you just want people to jump in and answer a question you can't even define. Kinda like the classic "when did you stop beating your wife?", eh?
 
seems like "any" and "specific" would be mutually exclusive.
So, you can't specify what those ideas are, you just want people to jump in and answer a question you can't even define. Kinda like the classic "when did you stop beating your wife?", eh?

Red:
I accept that it so seems to you.


Blue:
It bothers me not that you may or do think so.
 
I gained a lot of respect for the white supremacist groups when they endorsed Obama over Hillary Clinton for President
 
Simple poll question. Just answer it.

Other than seeing "white" for what it is, a genetic mutation that in a few hundred years will disappear, I have no opinion on racial superiority. But, if anyone is truly honest, white skin is a physical handicap. And, the whiter it is, the more of a handicap it is. Ask that of anyone with fair skin within a day of them turning into a lobster after spending only a few hours out in the hot sun.
 
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