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Would Hillary Have Been Defeated By One Of The Other GOP Candidates?

Would Hillary Have Been Defeated By One Of The Other GOP Candidates?

  • Yes

    Votes: 50 60.2%
  • No

    Votes: 22 26.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 11 13.3%

  • Total voters
    83
No, the other GOP candidates would not have had the assistance of a hostile foreign power.

You mean like when Obama told the Russian Ambassador he could be more flexible after his re-election? Or was it Hillary signing off on Russia gaining majority control of our Uranium stocks?
 
Maybe. Maybe not.

Hillary would have likely run her intensely crappy campaign no matter who she was running against, so it depends on if one of those other GOP guys/gal would have been able to lie their way to getting the votes of the Americans who are sick and tired of the GOP Elites running their Party.

I can tell you for sure that I wouldn't have voted.

It would have had to have been a GOP candidate who like Trump would fight back against the politics of destruction employed by the democrat party and the media. Someone like Jeb Bush, John Kasich, or Lindsey Graham would have fizzled out quickly.
 
You mean like when Obama told the Russian Ambassador he could be more flexible after his re-election? Or was it Hillary signing off on Russia gaining majority control of our Uranium stocks?

OhhhhhhhhhhhhhBaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaaaaaa! Hillareeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Dude. You won! Your alt-right party controls everything now. Obama and Hillary can't hurt you anymore. You should be celebrating!
 
Did Trump tap into a vein of populism that won him WI, PA, OH, MI or would someone like Rubio or Cruz also have carried the same number of Electoral Votes?

Yes, most of the GOP canidates would have beaten Hilldog, a seriously flawed canidate. The only exception is Cruz, he is slimy enough that Hillary probably could have beaten him.
 
You mean like when Obama told the Russian Ambassador he could be more flexible after his re-election? Or was it Hillary signing off on Russia gaining majority control of our Uranium stocks?

They weren't your uranium stocks. It was a Canadian company.
 
OhhhhhhhhhhhhhBaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaaaaaa! Hillareeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Dude. You won! Your alt-right party controls everything now. Obama and Hillary can't hurt you anymore. You should be celebrating!
Perhaps we can have a discussion at some point in the future. I can't take you seriously now. Btw, I am an Independent.

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They weren't your uranium stocks. It was a Canadian company.
The Canadian stocks were based on Uranium on US soil. That's why the hildabeast had to sign off on the sale to make it legal. As far as I am concerned, the hildabeast is a traitor.

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Cruz, perhaps. Probably not Rubio. Rubio is a RINO, not a populist.

Senator Rubio is from my state, and I must admit, had the Democrats run a candidate with any appeal at all against him, I would have voted that way. I am afraid that he was exposed by the President in the debates.
Regards,
CP
 
Yes, most of the GOP canidates would have beaten Hilldog, a seriously flawed canidate. The only exception is Cruz, he is slimy enough that Hillary probably could have beaten him.

Canidates? .... Hilldog? BOW WOW

 
I think Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush probably could have had a legitimate chance at beating Hillary Clinton.
 
OhhhhhhhhhhhhhBaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaaaaaa! Hillareeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Dude. You won! Your alt-right party controls everything now. Obama and Hillary can't hurt you anymore. You should be celebrating!

We're tryin'. Unfortunately there was born from a legitimate election, a freakish wart called resistance, that now blocks progress. Do you count yourself as a resister?
Regards,
CP
 
I think Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush probably could have had a legitimate chance at beating Hillary Clinton.

Na

The only thing heavier than Clinton baggage is Bush baggage.
 
Senator Rubio is from my state, and I must admit, had the Democrats run a candidate with any appeal at all against him, I would have voted that way. I am afraid that he was exposed by the President in the debates.
Regards,
CP

Yep. At one point early on, Rubio looked like a rising star in the republican party. Unfortunately he was lured into that useless gang of eight led by the late Senator McCain.
 
I think Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush probably could have had a legitimate chance at beating Hillary Clinton.

I doubt it, especially in regards to Jeb Bush. Even before his campaign got off the ground, he showed so much weakness, he looked like a "yes man" for the democrat party. Jeb is too moderate for his own good.
 
My completely unprovable guess: Trump won some voters that wouldn't have been won by other Republican candidates, but there were more voters that held their nose for Clinton to stop Trump that would have been happy enough to sit out, vote third party, or even vote for a candidate like Rubio or Kasich had Trump not been the nominee. Clinton was pretty solidly despised, yet still managed to only lose by 0.7% or smaller margins in the decisive Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. So I have to think it's more likely another candidate would have done better.

Don't forget that Dems were split on Hillary. Many Bernie "voters" either refrained from voting, went Jill Stein, spoiled their ballot and even voted for Trump.
 
My completely unprovable guess: Trump won some voters that wouldn't have been won by other Republican candidates, but there were more voters that held their nose for Clinton to stop Trump that would have been happy enough to sit out, vote third party, or even vote for a candidate like Rubio or Kasich had Trump not been the nominee. Clinton was pretty solidly despised, yet still managed to only lose by 0.7% or smaller margins in the decisive Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. So I have to think it's more likely another candidate would have done better.

I would have voted for Kasich, perhaps even Rubio, over Hillary... not because she wasn't imminently qualified; she was quite likely one of the most qualified candidates ever... but because she was so universally despised that as president, we would have had Obama Derangement Syndrome on steroids and the country would have been irreparably divided.

However, once Trump was the GOP nominee, that ship had sailed. It was a no-brainer; I voted for Hillary without a qualm at that point; and I'd do it again.
 
I voted no. None of the others were liberal enough to capture a sizable base that was gonna vote for the old bat.
 
I would have voted for Kasich, perhaps even Rubio, over Hillary... not because she wasn't imminently qualified; she was quite likely one of the most qualified candidates ever... but because she was so universally despised that as president, we would have had Obama Derangement Syndrome on steroids and the country would have been irreparably divided.

I had this naive notion that a contrast between the policies of both the Bush and Obama administration would tip the country a bit more to the left. Problem is, is that for whatever reason, obstructionism, milquetoast, overly compromised governance, or whichever your poison is, there didn't seem to be quite the contrast that I was expecting or hoping for. A lot of the criticism coming at him from the right was pretty insane, but perhaps, for that very reason, he should not have been so eager to compromise.

Clinton would have been a divisive president, for sure, and I would have spent the next eight years reading a bunch of absurd Alex Jones-esque bull**** via FaceBook, but I was mostly concerned with the prospect of a much-despised, brazenly corporatist, politically tone-deaf president as the figurehead of the left.

However, once Trump was the GOP nominee, that ship had sailed. It was a no-brainer; I voted for Hillary without a qualm at that point; and I'd do it again.

I can definitely empathize with those who feel this way, but this is not what I ended up doing. I wafted back and forth, and then ended up voting for Stein. In the end, I was not convinced that that a Trump presidency would be dramatically different from a George W. presidency, or what we can expect from today's Republican party. As of right now, I am still not convinced that this isn't the case.

The optics of the administration is mainly a circus ****-show, with the revolving-door appointments, scandals, and literally almost everything that Donald Trump tweets, but if we are to compare some of Trump's policy decisions that are criticized the most to the last Republican administration, I would have to say that I think Bush actually comes out worse.

What's really and truly different about this administration is the way he behaves in regards to the press, and how brazenly he panders to the resurging racist/xenophobic crowd. It's frustrating that so many people are either unaware of, or don't care that undermining free press is one of the first things that dictator typically does when coming into power, but on the other side of things, the media has not done a great job of instilling confidence, and has arguably been a huge mess at least ever since twenty-four-hour news channels were a thing. I don't think another GOP president would have ever played the 'fake news' card, but people would have still been listening to Fox News, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, and getting people to agree on what is and is not a valid source of information would still have been like pulling teeth.

It's a little harder to ague that Trump hasn't had a significant impact on discourse in this country, but he's also merely harnessing what was already building up. Perhaps another Republican wouldn't fan the flames quite as much, but I still see that problem existing without Trump. The 'alt-right' predates his campaign, and probably exists primarily because of the Internet, because of lazy pro-PC arguments, and as a rebound against the cultural revolution.

Lastly, I look at the Republicans that are coming out against Donald Trump, and I am not impressed with legislatures that largely support him on policy, but draw the line on how abrasive he is. That leads me to believe that what we are seeing is simply the face under the mask of the GOP.
 
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