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Question For Democrats Or Others On The Left

Would you soften your stance on gun control to steal Republican Votes?

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Moderate Right said:
Don't know how old you are but don't hold your breath for the next 10-20 years, or more. We've had partisan gridlock for about 20 years now, maybe longer. And, it's getting worse, not better.
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That's because of money. Present a real threat to cut off that money and things would change overnight.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
FFS dude... did you miss the part where I said I wasn't engaging in hyper-partisan canned arguments?
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No, I didn't. That's what the genetic fallacy is all about.

FreedomFromAll said:
I said that since two hyper-partisans responded to my post with strawman arguments that had little to do with what I was talking about. Now you come back with this crap, that's just grand. You should have looked up your fallacies while you were there.
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Looks like you need to follow your own advice here.

FreedomFromAll said:
I had no stupid excuse for whatever the **** canned argument you were trying to get me to engage in.
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It is your usage of the words "canned argument" that is in and of itself the fallacy. An argument being canned does not make it wrong.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
That's because of money. Present a real threat to cut off that money and things would change overnight.
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And what on Earth is going to cut off the money? Democrats want it just as much as Republicans do. In fact, Hillary received far more money than Trump did when you count everything including superpacs. Even if Bernie would have won the presidency in 2016 the money would not have been cut off. Hell, the Supreme Court ruled to let there be money. What planet are you living on where you think the Supreme Court will overturn their own decision? By the way, I didn't like that decision. I was against it. But, they didn't ask me for my opinion. Contrary to your leftist beliefs, there is much more money on the left than on the right. The Koch brothers don't rule the world as much as the leftist propaganda would lead you to believe.
 
Moderate Right said:
And what on Earth is going to cut off the money? Democrats want it just as much as Republicans do. In fact, Hillary received far more money than Trump did when you count everything including superpacs. Even if Bernie would have won the presidency in 2016 the money would not have been cut off. Hell, the Supreme Court ruled to let there be money. What planet are you living on where you think the Supreme Court will overturn their own decision? By the way, I didn't like that decision. I was against it. But, they didn't ask me for my opinion. Contrary to your leftist beliefs, there is much more money on the left than on the right. The Koch brothers don't rule the world as much as the leftist propaganda would lead you to believe.
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You're reading way too much into what I said. I agree completely that both major parties are bought and paid for by various interests, and I don't expect that to change immediately.

But it has to change if the people ever want to be represented in government again. That's the only real solution.
 
MrWonka said:
No, I didn't. That's what the genetic fallacy is all about.


Looks like you need to follow your own advice here.


It is your usage of the words "canned argument" that is in and of itself the fallacy. An argument being canned does not make it wrong.
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Well it is pointless to engage in a person using a canned argument, since that is an indicator of dogma and mindless repeating without knowing what they hell they are talking about.

I do not know what your trip is, nor do i care but I shared my opinonms and if you dont like them then just ignore them. You dont need to act like pappa bear.
 
Moderate Right said:
Just curious. Please only lefties vote. Would you give up your gun control fight in order to make the Republican party irrelevant in order to further your other left wing policies? Caveat: You could not later change your stance on gun control. You would have to accept no additional gun control forever.
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Troll thread.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Well it is pointless to engage in a person using a canned argument since that is an indicator of dogma
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Again, something being Dogma is not in an of itself a reason to think it's wrong. You are unwilling to engage because you can't refute what is said, and you're trying to make it seem like you're above it all.

FreedomFromAll said:
and mindless repeating without knowing what they hell they are talking about.
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If the argument is so canned, then it should be easy for you to refute, the fact that you can't shows you're the one who has no idea what you're talking about.
 
MrWonka said:
Again, something being Dogma is not in an of itself a reason to think it's wrong. You are unwilling to engage because you can't refute what is said, and you're trying to make it seem like you're above it all.


If the argument is so canned, then it should be easy for you to refute, the fact that you can't shows you're the one who has no idea what you're talking about.
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Dude just stop already with the derailing BS and judgement crap. If you dont like what I have to say block me or just dont talk to me. There is no rational reason that I need to explain myself to someone named Mrwonka. I never found that candy wrapper.

Now if you would like to discuss the topic of the thread we could do that. But high horse crap needs to end.
 
rickc said:
you really need to put this in perspective. 2/3rds are suicide. about 11,000 left and 80% of those are gang related. leaves about 2000. then we have the.crazy white guy mass shooter.

so solve the gang and mentally ill issue and problem solved.

deaths by drowning about 3500

by bicycle about 1000

by auto 37,500
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First and foremost the use of a firearm is still the use of a firearm. We don't say "oh well 2/3 of car accidents killed the driver...that is alright that was self induced lets not worry about legislating on motor vehicles" The fact is the problem relating to firearms is still existent no matter how, where, what or when it was used.

Secondly. Yes, still 11,000 too many

Thirdly. Yes, still 2,000 too many. The acceptable number of firearm deaths is 0...may not be achievable but believe me that kind of attitude is far better than....

"But 2/3 of the gun deaths were suicide that only leaves 11,000" This is not a numbers game, its a human life problem.

Here is the problem. The Government, Law Makers have been trying to solve that for over two decades and it has proven time and time again it isn't working. That is blaming and legislating on mental health, lack of education, poor law enforcement or terrorism has not worked. Where is the line drawn because the sacrifice at the moment for poor policy making and poor foresight is 666,000 people.

Swimming in a pool and having a firearm are two separate points just as is riding a bike.
 
goldkam said:
First and foremost the use of a firearm is still the use of a firearm. We don't say "oh well 2/3 of car accidents killed the driver...that is alright that was self induced lets not worry about legislating on motor vehicles" The fact is the problem relating to firearms is still existent no matter how, where, what or when it was used.

Secondly. Yes, still 11,000 too many

Thirdly. Yes, still 2,000 too many. The acceptable number of firearm deaths is 0...may not be achievable but believe me that kind of attitude is far better than....

"But 2/3 of the gun deaths were suicide that only leaves 11,000" This is not a numbers game, its a human life problem.

Here is the problem. The Government, Law Makers have been trying to solve that for over two decades and it has proven time and time again it isn't working. That is blaming and legislating on mental health, lack of education, poor law enforcement or terrorism has not worked. Where is the line drawn because the sacrifice at the moment for poor policy making and poor foresight is 666,000 people.

Swimming in a pool and having a firearm are two separate points just as is riding a bike.
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opinions vary!
 
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