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If Donald Trump Had a Choice

Trump Redo?

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I see the holy rollers have arrived...........:inandout:
 
marke said:
Are you going to accuse God of sin in every death of every human being on earth that has died from the days of Adam and Eve? If you do that then what do you think God will think about your opinions when it comes your time to be judged?
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Well, I don't believe in God anymore. If I did, I certainly wouldn't think that justice and goodness has anything to do with it. And I would think that drowning babies and killing kids during the flood and during the Sodom & Gomorrah event would be enough to excuse a person of an abortion. If "murdering" a fetus is wrong, then God is absolutely guilty of murdering living children.

Do you see the obvious logic and ultimate failure in invoking God to justify your own personal belief? Using "God" to justify your hate for abortion is a perversion that strips you of your own personal belief on the matter and exploits an imaginary God for legitimacy. I'm just trying to help you sort through your confusions about Christianity and your politically skewed perspectives on God.
 
Rexedgar said:
From the time Donald Trump rode down the escalator until now, 19 months as POTUS, things have been unorthodox. If Trump was able turn “turn back time,” do you think he would do it again?
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I think changes nothing. Most folks don't know Trump ran for my tiny Reform Party nomination way back in 2000. I think he has always wanted to become president. Trump seems to have always changed parties to become a member of the party who didn't hold the White House.

During Reagan, Trump as a Democrat
During Bill Clinton, Trump had become a Republican
change to G.W. Bush, in 2001 he became a Democrat again as he failed to obtain the Reform Party nomination.
Come 2009, enter Obama, Trump becomes a Republican again.

now Trump would change his registration to independent in 2011 only to become a Republican for the third time in 2012. Coincidence?
 
Perotista said:
I think changes nothing. Most folks don't know Trump ran for my tiny Reform Party nomination way back in 2000. I think he has always wanted to become president. Trump seems to have always changed parties to become a member of the party who didn't hold the White House.

During Reagan, Trump as a Democrat
During Bill Clinton, Trump had become a Republican
change to G.W. Bush, in 2001 he became a Democrat again as he failed to obtain the Reform Party nomination.
Come 2009, enter Obama, Trump becomes a Republican again.

now Trump would change his registration to independent in 2011 only to become a Republican for the third time in 2012. Coincidence?
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Trump would register as a Druid if he felt it would benefit him to do so.
 
marke said:
Don't be silly. This is from the Bible, not some political propaganda:

24. Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
25. But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
26. I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
27. When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
28. Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me.
Proverbs 1.
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Um...John 3:16 comes from the Gospels in the New Testament, personally from the Son of God (or God); and I would think such a Divine verbal expression would supersede your need to cling to a Proverb from the Old Testament.

Do you know the ultimate problem with religion? It's not the contradictions in the Holy Books. It's that the believers of the religion often pick and choose at any given moment and reinterpret verses as the perceived need arises. This is exactly why there are extremists who seek out the more simplified and more violent ones to justify their angered behaviors as a legitimate means to stay in God's good graces. It becomes worse when one politicizes that anger and fear through verse.
 
marke said:
If you need to take a pause out to settle your emotions for having to remember Hillary's loss then that is OK. Lot's of democrats have needed that.



Hillary looks pretty good from her whitewashed botox leftist liberal media side, but Oh how shocking the dreadful skeletons in her broom closet.




I happen to like Christian voters, unlike savage barbarian liberals like Obama and Hillary.
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Christians,at points in history,have been as savage and barbaric as anyone..( 'witc'h burnings,Inquisitions,Crusades.
 
Hillary lost (twice). It was never her turn no matter how much she or the Leftist wanted it to be. Making up scenarios where Trump didn't run won't change the fact she was a horrible candidate that lost again.

Get over it...

:lamo
 
Mycroft said:
He changes nothing.

He still kicks all those GOP Elite primary candidates to the curb. He still kicks Hillary to the curb. He still becomes President. He still tosses a slew of Obama trash into the dumpster where it belongs. He still gives our economy a much needed shot in the arm...and he doesn't need a magic wand to do it.
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Are you sure you are not reading some Marvel Comic Book? Sounds like you are more describing some kind of Superman from a 3rd grade reader's perspective.

Get real. I haven't seen anyone getting any richer than Donald Trump and his very own empire during the first two years of his plutocracy!
 
fishnthec said:
Are you sure you are not reading some Marvel Comic Book? Sounds like you are more describing some kind of Superman from a 3rd grade reader's perspective.

Get real. I haven't seen anyone getting any richer than Donald Trump and his very own empire during the first two years of his plutocracy!
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Actually, I'm recounting history. Everything I wrote actually happened. Can't say the same about what you wrote.
 
MSgt said:
Um...John 3:16 comes from the Gospels in the New Testament, personally from the Son of God (or God); and I would think such a Divine verbal expression would supersede your need to cling to a Proverb from the Old Testament.

Do you know the ultimate problem with religion? It's not the contradictions in the Holy Books. It's that the believers of the religion often pick and choose at any given moment and reinterpret verses as the perceived need arises. This is exactly why there are extremists who seek out the more simplified and more violent ones to justify their angered behaviors as a legitimate means to stay in God's good graces. It becomes worse when one politicizes that anger and fear through verse.
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I would add that per New Testament scripture,the O.T.Laws are still in effect,and Christians should still be stoning disobedient children to death.Let's see if he can figure out which scripture I'm referring to.
 
marke said:
If murderers claim voting for politicians who support policies in opposition to abortion is selling one's soul to the devil then more Americans should still vote against abortion no matter what the tribal savage abortionist butchers say about them.
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Murderers aren't voting.
They're in jail.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Murderers aren't voting.
They're in jail.
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Yes, many are in jail, at least the ones who Obama did not pardon. However, do not underestimate the power and cunning of the democrat party's ability to get dead people and inmates, among other strange assortments of ineligibles, to vote, sometimes more than once, in a single election.
 
marke said:
Yes, many are in jail, at least the ones who Obama did not pardon. However, do not underestimate the power and cunning of the democrat party's ability to get dead people and inmates, among other strange assortments of ineligibles, to vote, sometimes more than once, in a single election.
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There is no evidence for what you're alleging.
 
Dittohead not! said:
There is no evidence for what you're alleging.
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No, you are mistaken. However, let's analyze the case. Some say there is no voter fraud. Others say there is. For anyone like me who is not interested in biased propaganda, how can we go about proving which claim is genuine? We cannot prove there is no voter fraud because that is a claim which obviously cannot be backed up by evidence. That means we must force those who are claiming voter fraud exists to produce their evidence.

I have uncovered literally dozens of evidences which show episodes of voter fraud at various times and places over the last 70 years, and the democrats are almost always the ones benefiting from the fraud. Let's take a look at how Snopes dealt with the voting 'flaws' uncovered in the Michigan recount from the last election. Bear in mind that I think Snopes desires to make the facts look like innocent human incompetence or error instead of fraud. Maybe it was human error, but the fact remains there was serious error there and nobody can justly deny that.

More Votes Than Voters in Detroit https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/more-votes-than-voters-in-detroit

First, Snopes debunks the claim that supposedly was made that voting machines tallied more votes than there were registered voters in those precincts. Of course that is false, but that is not the problem they were supposed to be trying to refute. The un-refuted fact is that more votes were tallied than voters who walked in to vote that day. Here is part of what Snopes reports:

Jill Stein's recount efforts in Michigan have uncovered what looks like systematic election fraud in Detroit, where roughly 95% of the votes cast were cast for Hillary Clinton. Sixty percent of precincts in Wayne County had to be disqualified from the statewide recount because of "irregularities." According to Fox News judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano, those irregularities look "organized" and "government involved."

County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News after ballot irregularities were discovered revealed that 37 percent of Detroit precincts registered more votes than voters during the election.

So we see the problem. How does Snopes explain the problem? Over and over again web sites reported "more votes than voters" in Detroit, a claim that was naturally interpreted by many people as 'more votes than registered voters.'

Really? Snopes goes on to effectively refute that claim, but that was not what I interpreted from the emerging facts of the recount. I did not interpret the reports as saying the evidence showed more votes cast than registered voters on the books, I interpreted the emerging facts to show that more votes were recorded than there were actual voters who showed up that day, a detail not disproven by Snopes. I won't go into a lot of further detail on this but let me submit this further narrative which I do not think Snopes is disputing:

Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn't be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.

The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn't recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.

"We're assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots," Thomas said.

The Detroit News was first to report that more than half of Detroit would be ineligible for the recount because of the irregularities. The results were based on county reports obtained by The News.

 
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Quit crapping my thread, yo!

:gunner: :blastem:
 
Dittohead not! said:
Murderers aren't voting.
They're in jail.
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Trump is neither religious nor anti-abortionist.He begged Marla Maples to abort his very own daughter Tiffany per a tv interview Marla Maples gave decades ago...The religious claim is simply lip service to his gullible base.If/when the rioting breaks out in the streets,that will be on his 'base.' When he's through helping Putin 'Russianize" our beloved nation,there will be a Commie State run religion ( if any religion is allowed at all,and it sure won't be an Evangelical one.One can safely take to proclamation to the bank.
 
JMR said:
I believe Trump suffers from serious mental health disorders, and even IF someone convinced him to change something, within minutes of getting in front of a camera he would revert to his usual prattle.
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I don't give a ****, but will someone point to these 'new' steel mills US Steel is opening?

I know this is drive-by posting, but I read these posts about Trump and I substitute "Trump" for "Americans" and that works. He's your president with 42% of the vote and control of congress, and no one asks where these ****ing steel mills are? You don't make the white wash house provide the stats loonie larry boasted? You just bitch and classify his wrong doings on one side, and cheer his lies on the other.

From this perspective what we're seeing is America present its true colors, the "Nixon era" never died its been dormant is all.

You elected him, he's your leader and the "great nation that shall not perished from this earth" has become a **** hole where children are not safe in their own school room, and you have the gall to have your ****-for-brains, carnival barker president outright lying about America's former allies, insulting their leaders and civil servants and wow, you post angry messages. That gets them every time.

Every 'partner' that went into Afghanistan on your behalf has been punished with crippling tariffs having been transformed from 'loyal ally' to "threat to national security" in one tweet....and not one word of protest, not one America stood and said "no, these countries spilled blood for us". So, we play that 60's tune "The back stabbers." and learn a lesson; that even when the United States has a trade surplus with some of these countries Americans are fine with a dictator screwing over their friends so long as their true "enemies" socialists are kept out of office.

Now its about lining pockets and 'winning', not co-operating, not partnering, but crushing the opposition all on behalf of the milk toast, pocket lining congress and their multi-national buddies and the failure to even get this bloated monster to at least act professionally. What was left of US integrity has been paved over again and again with racist invective, an average of 380 lies per week; showing her true ethos, let's be honest, the baby snatching along the Mexican border has a **** load of support.

In short, you have no friends left, last week Washington uppity ups were looking for new trade partners in Indonesia. Good luck with that. What's clearly emerging will shock some, but the 'outside world' makes no distinction between "Americans" or "Trump", Americans are Trump and Trump is "America" and so shall you be judged.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I don't give a ****, but will someone point to these 'new' steel mills US Steel is opening?

I know this is drive-by posting, but I read these posts about Trump and I substitute "Trump" for "Americans" and that works. He's your president with 42% of the vote and control of congress, and no one asks where these ****ing steel mills are? You don't make the white wash house provide the stats loonie larry boasted? You just bitch and classify his wrong doings on one side, and cheer his lies on the other.

From this perspective what we're seeing is America present its true colors, the "Nixon era" never died its been dormant is all.

You elected him, he's your leader and the "great nation that shall not perished from this earth" has become a **** hole where children are not safe in their own school room, and you have the gall to have your ****-for-brains, carnival barker president outright lying about America's former allies, insulting their leaders and civil servants and wow, you post angry messages. That gets them every time.

Every 'partner' that went into Afghanistan on your behalf has been punished with crippling tariffs having been transformed from 'loyal ally' to "threat to national security" in one tweet....and not one word of protest, not one America stood and said "no, these countries spilled blood for us". So, we play that 60's tune "The back stabbers." and learn a lesson; that even when the United States has a trade surplus with some of these countries Americans are fine with a dictator screwing over their friends so long as their true "enemies" socialists are kept out of office.

Now its about lining pockets and 'winning', not co-operating, not partnering, but crushing the opposition all on behalf of the milk toast, pocket lining congress and their multi-national buddies and the failure to even get this bloated monster to at least act professionally. What was left of US integrity has been paved over again and again with racist invective, an average of 380 lies per week; showing her true ethos, let's be honest, the baby snatching along the Mexican border has a **** load of support.

In short, you have no friends left, last week Washington uppity ups were looking for new trade partners in Indonesia. Good luck with that. What's clearly emerging will shock some, but the 'outside world' makes no distinction between "Americans" or "Trump", Americans are Trump and Trump is "America" and so shall you be judged.
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Ding ...Ding...Ding....bravo!!! best,most brutally honest post I've seen since joining the forum....Of course it won't change anything,but it sure makes us 'True American Patriots' glad to see a rational post from a rational mind.
 
Rexedgar said:
From the time Donald Trump rode down the escalator until now, 19 months as POTUS, things have been unorthodox. If Trump was able turn “turn back time,” do you think he would do it again?
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Donald Trump cares about one thing, and one thing only. Putting his name in the history books. He wants streets named after him, schools, libraries, city halls, stadiums. So long as he firmly believes that he's going to get that he's happy. Until he's in jail with his entire legacy being dismantled he will regret nothing.
 
MrWonka said:
Donald Trump cares about one thing, and one thing only. Putting his name in the history books. He wants streets named after him, schools, libraries, city halls, stadiums. So long as he firmly believes that he's going to get that he's happy. Until he's in jail with his entire legacy being dismantled he will regret nothing.
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You forgot the wall... he wants a great wall of Trump, visible from space
 
Rexedgar said:
From the time Donald Trump rode down the escalator until now, 19 months as POTUS, things have been unorthodox. If Trump was able turn “turn back time,” do you think he would do it again?
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Trump does not go in for that sort of thing...

I have a life, and it only goes in one direction: forward.
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Don Draper
 
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