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    Re: Is fake news an enemy of the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Leftwingers I suppose have plenty of time, but the rest of us have jobs. If you have to hunt around through ten or more sites to find someone not feeding out the preordained bull**** that's a problem, because networks don't have the ****ing ethics to be honest. Sure there are plenty of stupid people, and plenty of people with journalism degrees too that don't know what the word unbiased means. They think journalism means making a difference, not reporting things as they are.

    The other part is this, if I don't post articles from your favorites sites, then you say I'm posting uncorroborated news, so if your favorite sites all report lies, then what? Think about it.
    Where did you get your journalism degree? Oh, right, you're just talking **** about other people.

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    Re: Is fake news an enemy of the people?

    Seems that on DP there are many ideas of what news is or should be or isn't but few definitions of news. Then there is "fake news" which might be anti-news or opinion and/or straight propaganda. But it seems the thread hasn't determined the definition of "fakes news". That makes sense when you think about it. If people can't agree on a working definition of news they darn sure can't agree on what news is not.

    Many people here seem to define "news" or fake news as a product that is primarily a social media, broadcast or cable product. Print isn't what it once was. Perhaps overall social media "news" is the least reliable of all and yet that is where most Americans get their news. Most of the news people view on social media is entertainment related, including loads of star gossip.

    American people don't want straight news. They don't. Ask your local newspaper editor. Ask you favorite television news producer. Americans want celebrities tell us what to think and how to feel. Many Americans have difficulty understanding the difference between news and opinion and entertainment.

    Sean Hannity is pure entertainment with a little opinion mixed in. He is not a journalist. He does not report the news. He doesn't write the news. He doesn't tell the truth. He doesn't have to. He is not a journalist. However, there are people who will get in your face and dare you to call Hannity's program fake news. They believe to the depths of their being that Hannity presents the truth for America. Not bloody likely.

    CNN surprises me with their "Breaking News". Every hour, every show is breaking news. Except that it isn't. That doesn't stop CNN from saying it. That's no different from continuing to yell Wolf (Blitzer ? ) just to get attention. CNN mixes in news with opinion. If you multi-task while watching CNN you might quickly confuse the mix. If you steady watch a CNN news program and pay attention you will normally be able to separate news from opinion. But I wonder how many people don't.

    Fox omits a lot of information not favorable to Trump. The Fox news format seems a bit more chatty and family room friendly. Fox knows its viewers. Fox fans want to be entertained while watching the news. They don't want news in depth. They'd prefer bullet points or above all, videos with a few quick comments and on to the next story.

    Bottomline: Truth doesn't care who tells it.

    All of us do have access to much of the truth. However, much of the truth often doesn't come from one reliable source. Even when it does it is OUR RESPONSIBILITY to verify it. We do that by searching through other sources including sources we don't care for. Either we are able to verify the truth or we are not able to.

    Politicians don't always tell the truth. Trump is notorious for not telling the truth. His words require constant verification. (Yes, yes, I know. Obama, Hillary, yada yada but they are not in office now - and propaganda is much for sophisticated now). No matter, it is wise to verify everything ever politician says. Most of them lie. Some lie more than others.

    2nd Bottomline: No one is forcing any of us to believe or accept "news". That choice is ours. If people no longer relate to a news source the news source will become unsuccessful and fade away. Ultimately fake news wouldn't flourish if we would all be more discerning and process news information deductively.








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    Re: Is fake news an enemy of the people?

    Regarding Trumps incessant and phony attacks on the American press.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Trump
    "You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all so that when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you."
    President Trump told Lesley Stahl he bashes press 'to demean you and discredit you so ... no one will believe' negative stories about him


    We are now in → Day 30 ← of the Donald Trump/Mitch McConnell government shutdown.

    "I can't just reopen the government .. I would look foolish if I did that." - Donald J. Trump

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    Re: Is fake news an enemy of the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Is "news" that is purposefully false or misleading something we should be battling against as our enemy? Why or why not?
    Fake news is like the Confederate flag

    I see someone waving either, and I know right away that they are an idiot, an asshole, or something worse.

    Saves me the time of having to get to know them
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is fake news an enemy of the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Of course newspapers, TV....all of media carries bias, just as we all do. That however IS NOT what you typed, now is it?
    They are not impartial... but I am still waiting for you to actually make an argument.

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    Re: Is fake news an enemy of the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I consider the MSM to be the main conveyor of "Fake News" and we need to get pre ordained agenda narratives out of the MSM. Of course, since the MSM is controlled by only 5 or 6 individuals it presents the Corporatism can run amok syndrome. Also the buying power of the MSM's "for sale" marketing mechanisms.
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    Both Fox Entertainment and MS deal in "opinion and entertainment'' , NOT news. Perhaps at the beginning of each show they should state that the programming is opinion and NOT news .. for those so obtuse that they cannot "see" this .

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    Re: Is fake news an enemy of the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
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    Both Fox Entertainment and MS deal in "opinion and entertainment'' , NOT news. Perhaps at the beginning of each show they should state that the programming is opinion and NOT news .. for those so obtuse that they cannot "see" this .
    Ah yes, I see, I see, or perhaps I don't. You don't think the MSM is a bought and sold procuct. That's capitalism or in these cases Corporatism. Either way you get what you pay for. That's the whole story. Now you and the MSM narrative may disagree, but it is "for sale' because that is the American Way. Fact of life..
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    Re: Is fake news an enemy of the people?

    What IS the ''enemy of the people" is those people who watch opinion/entertainment shows and avow that its "news'' ..

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    Re: Is fake news an enemy of the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Where did you get your journalism degree? Oh, right, you're just talking **** about other people.
    I don't need a degree in journalism to know that it's the dissemination of information/news impartially. At your favorite network, CNN, it isn't necessary.


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    Re: Is fake news an enemy of the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Leftwingers I suppose have plenty of time, but the rest of us have jobs.
    You mean real jobs or internet jobs?

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