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Hydraulic fracking

Should hydraulic fracking be legal?

  • yes

    Votes: 10 27.8%

  • yes, but with legal oversight

    Votes: 12 33.3%

  • no

    Votes: 11 30.6%

  • not sure

    Votes: 3 8.3%
  • Total voters
    36
DaveFagan said:
The chemicals used in fracking are controversial. Regulations prevent exact descriptions of the active elements as proprietary information. Horror stories of families who's water wells have been contaminated and have not been able to obtain speedy redress are legend and as common as horse turds. It is still Big Energy and the same people that buy politicians to prevent addressing the Big Energy liability as regards Anthropological Global Warming. They also intimidate the MSM to make the 1/10th of 1% that oppose AGW mitigation sound like 50% oppose AGW mitigation. Money talks, "we the people, "suffer.
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It isn't classified.

What Chemicals Are Used | FracFocus Chemical Disclosure Registry
 
ReMarx said:
We should put a lot of government grants toward solar and wind so we can ban fracking possibly saving the planet if its not already too late..

We could heavily tax non-renewables to pay for solar development in the meantime..
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The taxpeyers waste $20 billion a year on wind and solar.
 
rickc said:
my concern is our water aquifers. once the rock is fractured if chemicals or gas infiltrates the water aquifer there is no fixing it.

obviously this is happening in some instances. how widespread it is we won't know until it is too late.
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Your drinking water doesn't come from aquifers at 10,000 - 15,000 feet. Any water below 1,500 isn't freshwater.
 
Masterhawk said:
Hydraulic fracking is when rock is fractured, using pressurized liquid. It's often used to obtain oil or natural gas. It is rather controversial as opponents fear possible long term consequences of its use.
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Fracking for natural gas is what is killing coal. Even with the absolute worse case scenario of fracking for natural gas, the environmental destruction from coal mining is exponentially worse. Thus I am all for fracking.
 
Waddy said:
Capitalism just doesn't work that way. It's a highest bidder system. It will be the rich in every country saying "I got mine, you get yours".
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Capitalism does not appear to work for everything, possibly energy is one of those things.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Fracking for natural gas is what is killing coal. Even with the absolute worse case scenario of fracking for natural gas, the environmental destruction from coal mining is exponentially worse. Thus I am all for fracking.
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I lean the same direction, it isn't ideal but far better than current. I would personally move towards nuclear and hydroelectric dams though.
 
The Mark said:
Capitalism does not appear to work for everything, possibly energy is one of those things.
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I don't know how you would change it; oil (energy) is a foundation pillar of modern Capitalism.
 
Nap said:
I lean the same direction, it isn't ideal but far better than current. I would personally move towards nuclear and hydroelectric dams though.
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Sorry, but nuclear and hydroelectric aren't even on the radar. In fact, several hydroelectric dams may be de-comissioned in the future and nobody's talking seriously about nuclear after the Japanese disaster.
 
Waddy said:
I don't know how you would change it; oil (energy) is a foundation pillar of modern Capitalism.
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And part of the reason it's failing.
 
The Mark said:
And part of the reason it's failing.
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You really think Capitalism is failing? Most of the rest of the world thinks it's the best system out there. It's raised millions out of poverty. It rewards innovation and invention. Adam Smith said that it was just impossible for central planning to make decisions every day, by the millions, on what and how to produce. That's why he said the invisible hand of the market, working constantly through every little transaction, is the best way to make those decisions;the market. That's Capitalism. It's communism and socialism that are dead or dying.
 
I come from oil country.Make a ton of moolah off mineral rights...that said.Fracking is Fricking dangerous.Having 'more money than god' ,as the old saying goes,is meaningless if we kill the Mother Ship.
 
Waddy said:
You really think Capitalism is failing? Most of the rest of the world thinks it's the best system out there. It's raised millions out of poverty. It rewards innovation and invention. Adam Smith said that it was just impossible for central planning to make decisions every day, by the millions, on what and how to produce. That's why he said the invisible hand of the market, working constantly through every little transaction, is the best way to make those decisions;the market. That's Capitalism. It's communism and socialism that are dead or dying.
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It's failing because we haven't restrained it's excesses enough.

Hasn't failed yet.

May never, if we patch it up and fix the cracks.
 
The Mark said:
It's failing because we haven't restrained it's excesses enough.

Hasn't failed yet.

May never, if we patch it up and fix the cracks.
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THAT's the age old debate. How much regulation until you kill the golden goose?
 
Waddy said:
I wish it were so. But that isn't what we'll do. Looking far down the road isn't a human characteristic. Especially not when you can make money today.
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Which is why unregulated capitalism cannot be trusted to keep our environment clean.
 
Waddy said:
You really think Capitalism is failing? Most of the rest of the world thinks it's the best system out there. It's raised millions out of poverty. It rewards innovation and invention. Adam Smith said that it was just impossible for central planning to make decisions every day, by the millions, on what and how to produce. That's why he said the invisible hand of the market, working constantly through every little transaction, is the best way to make those decisions;the market. That's Capitalism. It's communism and socialism that are dead or dying.
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Capitalism is like a dog. A well-trained, well-mannered, well-behaved dog is great to be around. But an ill-tempered dog that likes to bite everything can be dangerous.
 
Phys251 said:
Which is why unregulated capitalism cannot be trusted to keep our environment clean.
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I don't kno anyone advocating for unregulated capitalism. This issue is finding the right balance.
 
Waddy said:
THAT's the age old debate. How much regulation until you kill the golden goose?
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It's not really the amount, so much as whether it prevents issues without undue impact.
 
The Mark said:
It's not really the amount, so much as whether it prevents issues without undue impact.
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semantics. How do you define "undue impact"?
 
Waddy said:
I don't kno anyone advocating for unregulated capitalism. This issue is finding the right balance.
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That’s the rub everyone wants to be the one with access to the scales, so they can be the one to put their thumb on it!
 
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