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Did Trump knowingly Collude with Russia to win the election?

Did Trump not know about the Russia meeting

  • No, Trump definitely knew about the meeting.

    Votes: 40 69.0%

  • He probably knew, but until he's convicted will not form my own opinion.

    Votes: 4 6.9%

  • Odd's are 50/50 based on the information we have

    Votes: 6 10.3%

  • Everyone is lying except for Donald Trump

    Votes: 8 13.8%
  • Total voters
    58
MrWonka

MrWonka

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I'm not asking what can be proven in court. I'm asking what common sense tells you. We know that Paul Manafort Trump's campaign chairman and Trump Jr met with Russian agents at Trump tower in order to secure illegally obtained dirt on Hillary Clinton to try and damage her campaign. We know that Michael Cohen Trump's lawyer has come forward and stated that Trump himself knew full well that the meeting took place and authorized it. We know that Steve Bannon, Trump's former strategist has said, “The chance that Don Jr did not walk these jumos up to his father’s office on the twenty-sixth floor is zero.”

So tell me, using basic common sense. Do you seriously think there is any chance that Donald Trump himself did not know his campaign was colluding with Russia?
 
MrWonka said:
I'm not asking what can be proven in court. I'm asking what common sense tells you. We know that Paul Manafort Trump's campaign chairman and Trump Jr met with Russian agents at Trump tower in order to secure illegally obtained dirt on Hillary Clinton to try and damage her campaign. We know that Michael Cohen Trump's lawyer has come forward and stated that Trump himself knew full well that the meeting took place and authorized it. We know that Steve Bannon, Trump's former strategist has said, “The chance that Don Jr did not walk these jumos up to his father’s office on the twenty-sixth floor is zero.”

So tell me, using basic common sense. Do you seriously think there is any chance that Donald Trump himself did not know his campaign was colluding with Russia?
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Of course he knew.Just listen to what he professes to be truth on any topic and safely assume the exact opposite is the actual truth.Trump is a Five Star chronic liar and sociopath..That's indisputable...Well,it can be disputed,but it's just a waste of time.We see that in this forum on a daily basis.
 
Logician Man said:
Of course he knew.Just listen to what he professes to be truth on any topic and safely assume the exact opposite is the actual truth.Trump is a Five Star chronic liar and sociopath..That's indisputable...Well,it can be disputed,but it's just a waste of time.We see that in this forum on a daily basis.
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Trump is proven to be the biggest liar in politics. I never believe liars. Therefore, he knew.
 
RSHERMR said:
Trump is proven to be the biggest liar in politics. I never believe liars. Therefore, he knew.
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His self-imposed political grave has already been dug by his own documented action's and words. Mueller is methodically making preparations for the funeral.
 
MrWonka said:
I'm not asking what can be proven in court. I'm asking what common sense tells you. We know that Paul Manafort Trump's campaign chairman and Trump Jr met with Russian agents at Trump tower in order to secure illegally obtained dirt on Hillary Clinton to try and damage her campaign. We know that Michael Cohen Trump's lawyer has come forward and stated that Trump himself knew full well that the meeting took place and authorized it. We know that Steve Bannon, Trump's former strategist has said, “The chance that Don Jr did not walk these jumos up to his father’s office on the twenty-sixth floor is zero.”

So tell me, using basic common sense. Do you seriously think there is any chance that Donald Trump himself did not know his campaign was colluding with Russia?
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A candidate looking for dirt on the opposition...I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you. Who'd a thunk it? What he should have done is pay for a fake dossier on Clinton and take that to a FISA court to open up an investigation of his opponent. Now, THAT would be playing dirty!!!!!
 
MrWonka said:
I'm not asking what can be proven in court. I'm asking what common sense tells you. We know that Paul Manafort Trump's campaign chairman and Trump Jr met with Russian agents at Trump tower in order to secure illegally obtained dirt on Hillary Clinton to try and damage her campaign. We know that Michael Cohen Trump's lawyer has come forward and stated that Trump himself knew full well that the meeting took place and authorized it. We know that Steve Bannon, Trump's former strategist has said, “The chance that Don Jr did not walk these jumos up to his father’s office on the twenty-sixth floor is zero.”

So tell me, using basic common sense. Do you seriously think there is any chance that Donald Trump himself did not know his campaign was colluding with Russia?
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Where is the option for us not having enough knowledge to accurately judge?
 
Redress said:
Where is the option for us not having enough knowledge to accurately judge?
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Both options 2 and 3 cover those scenarios, but we're asking you to be realistic and use common sense here this isn't a court of law.
 
Waddy said:
A candidate looking for dirt on the opposition...I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you. Who'd a thunk it?
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You forgot illegally obtained dirt given to him by a foreign power.

Waddy said:
What he should have done is pay for a fake dossier on Clinton and take that to a FISA court to open up an investigation of his opponent. Now, THAT would be playing dirty!!!!!
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So what you're telling us is that you cannot defend Trump's actions at all so you want to try and change the subject to a bold faced lie about Hillary Clinton? Got it.
 
MrWonka said:
You forgot illegally obtained dirt given to him by a foreign power.
So what you're telling us is that you cannot defend Trump's actions at all so you want to try and change the subject to a bold faced lie about Hillary Clinton? Got it.
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It's all illegally obtained dirt. I'm just saying it's common practice. Clinton got dirt wherever she could and so did Trump. Democracy is pigs fighting in the mud. You might hate getting muddy, but the pigs like it. You claim your side is the only clean wrestler, and your opposition claims they're the clean fighters. They're ALL pigs. They're ALL covered in mud.
 
Waddy said:
It's all illegally obtained dirt.
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No, actually it isn't. And at least the other stuff that might have been was obtained by American sources who weren't using it to compromise their own country.
 
MrWonka said:
I'm not asking what can be proven in court. I'm asking what common sense tells you. We know that Paul Manafort Trump's campaign chairman and Trump Jr met with Russian agents at Trump tower in order to secure illegally obtained dirt on Hillary Clinton to try and damage her campaign. We know that Michael Cohen Trump's lawyer has come forward and stated that Trump himself knew full well that the meeting took place and authorized it. We know that Steve Bannon, Trump's former strategist has said, “The chance that Don Jr did not walk these jumos up to his father’s office on the twenty-sixth floor is zero.”

So tell me, using basic common sense. Do you seriously think there is any chance that Donald Trump himself did not know his campaign was colluding with Russia?
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Illegally obtained dirt? What illegally obtained dirt?

Cohen says something and people believe him?

Why should I care about Bannon's speculation?

Sorry, but common sense needs facts or it's nothing more than baseless opinion.
 
MrWonka said:
I'm not asking what can be proven in court. I'm asking what common sense tells you. We know that Paul Manafort Trump's campaign chairman and Trump Jr met with Russian agents at Trump tower in order to secure illegally obtained dirt on Hillary Clinton to try and damage her campaign. We know that Michael Cohen Trump's lawyer has come forward and stated that Trump himself knew full well that the meeting took place and authorized it. We know that Steve Bannon, Trump's former strategist has said, “The chance that Don Jr did not walk these jumos up to his father’s office on the twenty-sixth floor is zero.”

So tell me, using basic common sense. Do you seriously think there is any chance that Donald Trump himself did not know his campaign was colluding with Russia?
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The Clinton campaign and DNC willfully made Russian dossier payments for opposition research against Trump. Did the Clinton campaign not know they were colluding with Russia to obtain this dossier?
Where was your outrage then? Doesn't your "common sense" tell you that the Clinton campaign was trying to obtain damaging info on Trump in hopes that it would stick, damaging his campaign?

Do you have hard evidence that the Trump campaign paid Russia for hard evidence against Clinton? (like a dossier or something similar) When you do, get back to me...
 
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Mycroft said:
Illegally obtained dirt? What illegally obtained dirt?
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Russia illegally hacked the DNC email servers.

Mycroft said:
Sorry, but common sense needs facts or it's nothing more than baseless opinion.
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Is that why you guys spent 4 years investigating Bengazhi and Hillary only to come up with zilch you could charger her with? Mueller has been investigating Trump for about a year and a half and has already handed down more than 20 indictments and gotten at least 5 guilty pleas including Trump's own lawyer turning over tapes proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump has been bold faced lying.
 
trixare4kids said:
The Clinton campaign and DNC willfully made Russian dossier payments for opposition research against Trump.
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Fake News!

Isn't it fun when people do that? Of course, in this case, it actually is fake. This lie of yours has been thoroughly debunked many times. Even Fox News isn't having it anymore. Nunes is likely toast any day now for fabricating it.
 
MrWonka said:
Fake News!

Isn't it fun when people do that? Of course, in this case, it actually is fake. This lie of yours has been thoroughly debunked many times. Even Fox News isn't having it anymore. Nunes is likely toast any day now for fabricating it.
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Its been 'debunked' that the Clinton camp paid for the dossier? Link?
 
MrWonka said:
So tell me, using basic common sense. Do you seriously think there is any chance that Donald Trump himself did not know his campaign was colluding with Russia?
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Of course he knew.
 
MrWonka said:
I'm not asking what can be proven in court. I'm asking what common sense tells you.
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Common sense tells me that a lot of people in the campaign had lots of little contacts with the Russian government. A few people were likely getting tipped off about it -- Manafort, Stone, probably a few others. Heck, Stone admitted he communicated with Guccifer 2.0.

My guess is that Trump knew. I don't think he personally coordinated any attacks. More likely is that someone like Stone bragged about his Russian contacts.

A more concrete problem is obstruction. I have no doubt whatsoever that once any sort of accusation was aired, Trump took concrete steps to stop any investigation, particularly by chatting up and then firing Comey, and almost certainly coordinating with that suckup Nunes. Trump is also obviously trying to cover up other issues, such as all these hush money payments to mistresses. I'm sure that some of what was done is illegal, and probably a step beyond campaign finance violations.
 
MrWonka said:
Fake News!

Isn't it fun when people do that? Of course, in this case, it actually is fake. This lie of yours has been thoroughly debunked many times. Even Fox News isn't having it anymore. Nunes is likely toast any day now for fabricating it.
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I don't make false statements. It's a matter of record that the Clinton Campaign and DNC willfully made payments for a Russian dossier, to get dirt on Trump.

However, writing false statements does seem to be your forte:
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You forgot illegally obtained dirt given to him by a foreign power.
 
Fletch said:
Its been 'debunked' that the Clinton camp paid for the dossier? Link?
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I would imagine it's gonna' be ::crickets:: on that one...
 
MrWonka said:
I'm not asking what can be proven in court. I'm asking what common sense tells you. We know that Paul Manafort Trump's campaign chairman and Trump Jr met with Russian agents at Trump tower in order to secure illegally obtained dirt on Hillary Clinton to try and damage her campaign. We know that Michael Cohen Trump's lawyer has come forward and stated that Trump himself knew full well that the meeting took place and authorized it. We know that Steve Bannon, Trump's former strategist has said, “The chance that Don Jr did not walk these jumos up to his father’s office on the twenty-sixth floor is zero.”

So tell me, using basic common sense. Do you seriously think there is any chance that Donald Trump himself did not know his campaign was colluding with Russia?
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Yeah/right! and we know that Hillary and the DNC colluded/paid the Russians in helping produce the Steel Dossier to find dirty on Trump...where is your outrage that the DNC and Hillary colluding with the Russians. Oh, I get it you and your fellow liberals don't care!
 
Logician Man said:
His self-imposed political grave has already been dug by his own documented action's and words. Mueller is methodically making preparations for the funeral.
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After nearly a year and half of tax payers money down the tube without one shred of evidence coming forth...Trump funeral should be an expensive affair
 
antiquity said:
After nearly a year and half of tax payers money down the tube without one shred of evidence coming forth...
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20+ indictments already. 5 guilty pleas. One Trump lawyer already squealing like a pig.

Do you just not know what the word shred means?
 
MrWonka said:
Russia illegally hacked the DNC email servers.
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Okay..where is the evidence that Trump had anything to do with that hacking? Where is your outrage what was in those emails, that basically knocked Sanders out of the race, and had little to nothing to do with Hillary defeat? Why won't the DNC produce its server?:confused:



Is that why you guys spent 4 years investigating Bengazhi and Hillary only to come up with zilch you could charger her with? Mueller has been investigating Trump for about a year and a half and has already handed down more than 20 indictments and gotten at least 5 guilty pleas including Trump's own lawyer turning over tapes proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump has been bold faced lying.[/QUOTE]
 
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