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If Liberals Or Conservatives 100% Had Their Own Way Would It Not Be Fascism?

If Liberals Or Conservatives 100% Had Their Own Way Would It Not Be Fascism?

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Nap said:
From a global perspective he has a point, the American Right is quite different from the rest of the world. He would be referring to something like the Alt-right in the US who are largely Euro style ethno-nationalist.
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At its current' size, the Alt-right can't be in the numbers to actually threaten our current state. All of the air time they got after events like Charlottesville, somehow made the rest of America believe they numbered in the millions apparently. Yes, as long as they are peacefully protesting I have no issue with them besides their beliefs, but that's it.

Richard Spencer is probably the only real Alt-right figure I can think of at the time and I have seen that he still has non-white friends. I didn't even know who he was until that punch a Nazi video popped up. Which is still pretty strange, as he isn't really a Nazi and many of the actual neo-Nazi groups kind of hate his guts.

I am getting off topic.
We have countries like Canada, who claim to be liberally run. Yet they have policies that can at the very least be seen as authoritarian. Though most of them do revolve around the acts of speech and things you can do, or say in public space, as well as social media.

The UK and Germany as well as a few other European countries. Some of them with more of a socialist lean as well.

I cannot even remember the last thing that I have seen pushed by a conservative agenda, that wasn't at least aimed at supporting individual rights, or personal freedoms.

Aside from some things that come out of Texas.
 
Sweden said:
You speak for yourself - as is your right. But you idea that the best way to fight extremism is by becoming an extremist is very, very silly. I am left wondering how old you are - and how much history have you experienced?
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Lots mate, I have lots of experience in fact I have a United Nations certificate officially signed by the U.N themselves brother.
 
spud_meister said:
Fascists are fascist. Not every form of authoritarianism is Fascism.
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Authoritarianism and fascism are synonyms and synonymous with each other you can't objectively have one without the other brother!
 
CentristFascist said:
Try arguing the left with that logic and you will be factually destroyed to pieces bro...
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No, I will not. What I will get is a lot of half-baked nonsense from leftists with little knowledge - and even less understanding - of early 20th century radical European political movements.
 
Sweden said:
No, I will not. What I will get is a lot of half-baked nonsense from leftists with little knowledge - and even less understanding - of early 20th century radical European political movements.
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Trust me most impartial and unbiased (Independent of politics) historians and etc do not agree with your statement... You don't have a leg to stand on brother!
 
CentristFascist said:
Lots mate, I have lots of experience in fact I have a United Nations certificate officially signed by the U.N themselves brother.
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What is a 'United Nations certificate'?

I have some knowledge of the UN. First acquired when I was a Third Secretary in the British Mission to the UN in Geneva.
 
CentristFascist said:
Trust me most impartial and unbiased (Independent of politics) historians and etc do not agree with your statement... You don't have a leg to stand on brother!
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You will excuse me for not trusting your thinking on this subject.
 
Sweden said:
No, I will not. What I will get is a lot of half-baked nonsense from leftists with little knowledge - and even less understanding - of early 20th century radical European political movements.
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Athough you have been disproven brother. Originally the Nazi (German Workers Party) was a far-left socialist political party with the main leftist leader (Otto Strasser). But then when Adolf Hitler infiltrated it's ranks and exploited the the flaws in the system and in human nature. He ultimately took over (Assasinated previous political leaders of the leftist nazi party) and then became chancellor (Defacto Dictator) and altered/twisted "The Germans Workers Party" politics/policies in accordance with his own dictatorial regime.
 
Sweden said:
You will excuse me for not trusting your thinking on this subject.
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Why is that exactly sir? Maybe, because it doesn't fit into your agenda or it is incompatible with your fundamental world views? I'm giving you evidence and facts here! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party I basically just summarised it... Don't just read the first few sentences everyone actually try and completely comprehend/absorb all the information before giving your 2 cents.
 
CentristFascist said:
Authoritarianism and fascism are synonyms and synonymous with each other you can't objectively have one without the other brother!
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Nonsense. It is perfectly possible to have respect for authority in many contexts before and since Fascism. Fascism ruled in Italy for a very short time, although, of course, for longer than Naziism lasted in Germany. An historical blip especially compared to the rater long lasting Falange in Spain.
 
CentristFascist said:
Why is that exactly sir? Maybe, because it doesn't fit into your agenda or it is incompatible with your fundamental world views? I'm giving you evidence and facts here! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party I basically just summarised it... Don't just read the first few sentences everyone actually try and completely comprehend/absorb all the information before giving your 2 cents.
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A fundamental element in conservative or 'right' thinking is the priority of the rights of the individual over the collective or 'society' (whence the term 'socialist'). Small state, small government. Socialists, Communists, Fascists, Falangists and Nazis all believed in an all-powerful state wherein the citizen had no rights at all. There were emphatically not 'right wing'. One who is on the right and moves further right does not become a Nazi but a libertarian; further right still and he will be an anarchist.
 
CentristFascist said:
Authoritarianism and fascism are synonyms and synonymous with each other you can't objectively have one without the other brother!
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You can be authoritarian without being Fascist. See every authoritarian government except that of Mussolini, Franco and Hitler. Objectively, there's only ever been three Fascist regimes, and authoritarianism in its various forms predated Fascism by thousands of years.
 
MSgt said:
Oh, good GOD! WHY do people have this fascination with misrepresenting this word these days to such an extremely absurd degree? Fascism is not simply about getting one's way!

FASCISM: A political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race (Germany, not Italy) above the individual. It stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Fascism is not simply about being a dictator. And despite some similarities, the very big differences are exactly why nobody declares Hitler a communist or Stalin and Mao as fascists. They were all dictators, who employed totalitarian tactics, appreciated socialistic tools for society, within distinct socioeconomic and political systems.

- If Liberals had their way, we would be living in a Social Democrat's world. Social Democrats, by the way, opposed Hitler in Germany and opposed socialism in the Soviet Union and in Mao's China. For some more perspective, Stalin hated Atlee's Labor Party in Britain.

- If Conservatives had their way, we would be living in a socially regimented world, based on tradition, with corporate capitalism leading the way. The conservative German elite, by the way, opposed Hitler for his elimination of class distinction, which actually opposed the need for strict class structure found in Italian Fascism.

By simplifying these terms to such a degree, we misrepresent what the hell they even are.
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Yes, fascism is exactly what I explained it was... You can't objectively have authoritarianism without at least elements of fascism it's factually impossible, impractical and everything else.
 
spud_meister said:
You can be authoritarian without being Fascist. See every authoritarian government except that of Mussolini, Franco and Hitler. Objectively, there's only ever been three Fascist regimes, and authoritarianism in its various forms predated Fascism by thousands of years.
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Yes, fascism is exactly what I explained it was... You can't objectively have authoritarianism without at least elements of fascism it's factually impossible, impractical and everything else.
 
CentristFascist said:
Yes, fascism is exactly what I explained it was... You can't objectively have authoritarianism without at least elements of fascism it's factually impossible, impractical and everything else.
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No, you have that backwards. You can't have fascism without authoritarianism, but most strains of authoritarianism are completely independent of fascism. Mussolini derived Fascism from both the politics of the time and from Roman imperialism. Things like monarchies, theocracies, juntas, and communism all existed prior to and independent of fascism.
 
CentristFascist said:
Yes, fascism is exactly what I explained it was... You can't objectively have authoritarianism without at least elements of fascism it's factually impossible, impractical and everything else.
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Considering that you declared that "objectively and factually everyone is a fascist" and that "everyone just wants their own way," you absolutely presented fascism wrong. Dancing around and declaring later that authoritarianism has its part to play within fascism does not change what you did in the original post to start off this thread. There is not a single dictator in history, in every single political and socioeconomic system, where authoritarianism wasn't the course of the day.

Even your name, "CentristFascist," is a complete contradiction in terms.

- A Centrist has moderate political views.
- A Fascist has extreme political views.

- A Centrist supports a balance of a degree of social equality and a degree of social hierarchy.
- An Italian Fascist also believes in distinct and strict class structures, but a German Fascist (National Socialism) seeks to destroy class structure and supplants that with an unequal classification of the races.
 
MSgt said:
Considering that you declared that "objectively and factually everyone is a fascist" and that "everyone just wants their own way," you absolutely presented fascism wrong. Dancing around and declaring later that authoritarianism has its part to play within fascism does not change what you did in the original post to start off this thread. There is not a single dictator in history, in every single political and socioeconomic system, where authoritarianism wasn't the course of the day.

Even your name, "CentristFascist," is a complete contradiction in terms.

- A Centrist has moderate political views.
- A Fascist has extreme political views.

- A Centrist supports a balance of a degree of social equality and a degree of social hierarchy.
- An Italian Fascist also believes in distinct and strict class structures, but a German Fascist (National Socialism) seeks to destroy class structure and supplants that with an unequal classification of the races.[/Q

Human beings are beneath me in my opinion no offence I have aspergers and autism. In my opinion, I am intellectually, logically and factually superior... I can say this because "democracy" "free speech" this is why the far-left millenials and ANTIFA causing massive violence in the street (along with the fringe right) now how does this make logical sense? I'm trying to illustrate a fundamental point here mate.

Also I'm actually a "radical centrist" and we believe this: The "radical" in the term refers to a willingness on the part of most radical centrists to call for fundamental reform of institutions. The "centrism" refers to a belief that genuine solutions require realism and pragmatism, not just idealism and emotion.
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spud_meister said:
No, you have that backwards. You can't have fascism without authoritarianism, but most strains of authoritarianism are completely independent of fascism. Mussolini derived Fascism from both the politics of the time and from Roman imperialism. Things like monarchies, theocracies, juntas, and communism all existed prior to and independent of fascism.
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No they are inseparable fundamentalist ideologies... This is an illogical response to such.
 
The left are, by their very nature, fascists. The only way to make a progressive policy work is through force of prosecution. IE; SS, medicare, medicade, barrycare, etc. Just look at their latest cause...the plastic straw ban...a waiter or owner of a restaurant can be arrested, fined or both.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...s-requested-under-california-bill/1074610001/

"The bill would tack the rule onto already existing code, the violation of which carries a fine between $25 and $1,000, up to six months in county jail or both, "except as otherwise provided." It would only apply to sit-down restaurants, not bars or fast food locations."

This is just one example of how the lefters operate...we cannot have these people in power nationally.
 
CentristFascist said:
Says the person who's ancestors historically owned slaves (Note the slave had a democrat owner aswell) Both conservatives and progressives owned African slaves. So what does that tell you mate?
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Your family used to poop outdoors millenia ago. Thank goodness times change and people evolve. You should try it.
 
Sweden said:
It cannot be said too often that both naziism and fascisism arose out of left wing movements. Hitler developed his skills as an orator at Socialist gatherings and Mussolini was the foremost Italian Socialist intellectual of his day. Sticking a 'rightist' label on them is simply to blindly accept Stalinist propaganda.
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Yes, that explains why one of Hitler's first targets were union leaders, liberals and communists. He wanted to be the only liberal in Germany.

You probably should not have cut history class. Maybe this will help catch you up

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/
https://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007727
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_in_Europe
https://www.indy100.com/article/naz...macists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

"Fascism is a political ideology that started with Mussolini and his hunger for Italy to be a great and powerful state like the ancient Roman Empire. Fascism is based on extreme nationalism focused on mainly military power to control the people. It is also based on militaristic ideals of “courage, unquestioning obedience to authority, discipline, and physical strength.” From - The Aftermath of WWI: The Rise of Fascism in Germany and Italy | Guided History

There are lessons to be learned by Americans in the rise to and consolidation of power by Hitler....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...istance/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7d7ff20ef53b

...as "those that do not know history are doomed to repeat it." (edmund burke)

Sorry pal, but 20th century European fascism was a perversion of right-wing political philosophy.

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CentristFascist said:
The world is not America also mate open your eyes... How do we resolve all these fundamentalist ideologies/beliefs in the Middle East where Muslims are killing eachother based upon politics/tribalism huh? "I'm a Sunni you are a Shia you kafir die!" thats what happens day in and day out in the Arab world. I'm talking on a Geo-Political scale here essentially. But you bloody yankees think you own the world SMH...
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When you are the global police force you do own the world. I would be glad to see you all take responsibility for your own regions and the US downsize our military and foreign aid to the point we are only defending our own borders and taking care of our own needy, but that ain't gonna happen. Who gets the call every time the SHTF? Good ole' Uncle Sam. Trouble in Syria? Call the USA. Europe fears a Russian invasion, Ukraine conflict? Call the USA. Libya? Call the USA. War in the Balkans? Call the USA. Defend Taiwan? Call the USA. When you Aussies take over defending Taiwan, secure the sea lanes in Asia, and take over the fight to stop Chinese expansion then we'll talk about ownership. The US doesn't own you even now, the Chinese do. They run your economy and you can't afford to face them down. So you rely on the good ole' USA to do the dirty work and then complain about it.
 
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