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Empirica

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IMO; the new modern-day sanitized word for "Socialist" is now "Progressive"...Do you agree?

Try this...Anytime you hear democrats refer to themselves or their politics as "Progressive", mentally play it back using "Socialist" in its place.

And when you consider all their views, policies, talking points and electoral platforms, etc; you will see quite clearly that they are socialists in sheep's clothing.
 
Empirica said:
IMO; the new modern-day sanitized word for "Socialist" is now "Progressive"...Do you agree?

Try this...Anytime you hear democrats refer to themselves or their politics as "Progressive", mentally play it back using "Socialist" in its place.

And when you consider all their views, policies, talking points and electoral platforms, etc; you will see quite clearly that they are socialists in sheep's clothing.
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Not at all.

Do you agree that Fascist is a better term for Republican?
 
Empirica said:
IMO; the new modern-day sanitized word for "Socialist" is now "Progressive"...Do you agree?

Try this...Anytime you hear democrats refer to themselves or their politics as "Progressive", mentally play it back using "Socialist" in its place.

And when you consider all their views, policies, talking points and electoral platforms, etc; you will see quite clearly that they are socialists in sheep's clothing.
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Socialism is a society where the means of production are owned by the State. Progressives believe in controlled capitalism.
 
Empirica said:
IMO; the new modern-day sanitized word for "Socialist" is now "Progressive"...Do you agree?

Try this...Anytime you hear democrats refer to themselves or their politics as "Progressive", mentally play it back using "Socialist" in its place.

And when you consider all their views, policies, talking points and electoral platforms, etc; you will see quite clearly that they are socialists in sheep's clothing.
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Well, let's look:

Definition of socialism

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
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Definition of progressive

1 a : of, relating to, or characterized by progress
b : making use of or interested in new ideas, findings, or opportunities
c : of, relating to, or constituting an educational theory marked by emphasis on the individual child, informality of classroom procedure, and encouragement of self-expression
2 : of, relating to, or characterized by progression
3 : moving forward or onward : advancing
4 a : increasing in extent or severity

a progressive disease

b : increasing in rate as the base increases

a progressive tax

5 often capitalized : of or relating to political Progressives
6 : of, relating to, or constituting a verb form that expresses action or state in progress at the time of speaking or a time spoken of
7 : of, relating to, or being a multifocal lens with a gradual transition between focal lengths

progressive bifocals
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Well, what do you know, they are not the same thing. I know, using a dictionary is hard...
 
I wasn't aware being an advocate of mixed market economies with government guarantees of health care, living wages and an education made you a socialist, much as Bernie wanted to get out in front of the inevitable idiotic McCarthy tar and feather by self-identifying as one.
 
Empirica said:
IMO; the new modern-day sanitized word for "Socialist" is now "Progressive"...Do you agree?

Try this...Anytime you hear democrats refer to themselves or their politics as "Progressive", mentally play it back using "Socialist" in its place.

And when you consider all their views, policies, talking points and electoral platforms, etc; you will see quite clearly that they are socialists in sheep's clothing.
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Do you work for FOX?
 
Oh, NOW you're citing the formal definition of "socialism," and not, say, Sweden, whom "progressives" would very much like to emulate, and on any other day would call "socialist."
 
Harshaw said:
Oh, NOW you're citing the formal definition of "socialism," and not, say, Sweden, whom "progressives" would very much like to emulate, and on any other day would call "socialist."
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We didn't start the fire.

On the flipside, if econ conservatives want to slander increased govt economic intervention/guarantees as such in a disingenuous attempt to discredit via false equivalency, we're more than happy to point out superbly working examples of said 'socialism'.
 
Surrealistik said:
We didn't start the fire...
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What "fire"? "Progressives" have been praising and envying the "socialism" of Sweden for quite some time now.
 
Why does Empirica demonize caring about others?

Trippy Trekker said:
To help those of you confused over differences between Liberals and Conservatives, I have provided a brief description of both.

Liberals:
-tip generously, wait longer between haircuts and lawn cuts, take life in stride, help strangers, put others ahead of themselves, spew love and peace, smile a lot, have an optimistic and inclusive attitude, make hard work look easy, and focus on the common welfare for the benefit of the most people.

Conservatives, on the other hand:
- have a stingy and judgmental nature, insist on conformity, focus on criticizing other people's values instead of their own, show strangers disdain, glorify themselves, spew hate and discord, frown a lot, have a pessimistic and exclusionary attitude, a sense of entitlement and couldn't give a rat's ass about the common welfare.
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Harshaw said:
What "fire"? "Progressives" have been praising and envying the "socialism" of Sweden for quite some time now.
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Considering social security is socialism I assume you have withdrawn yourself from being part of that when you retire correct? I mean you wouldn’t want to be part of that socialism right?
 
Harshaw said:
What "fire"? "Progressives" have been praising and envying the "socialism" of Sweden for quite some time now.
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Pretty sure you guys started on with this disingenuous McCarthyism and casual disregard for the actual definition of socialism way back in the 50s and 60s in an attempt to discredit and slander people who wanted more economically progressive policies via buzzwords and the red scare that was in vogue at the time (and never entirely went away).

Again, if you'd like to malign these programs/ideas as falling under the spooky umbrella of socialism, we're in turn more than happy to point out where these 'socialist' policies work exceedingly well.
 
Praxas said:
Considering social security is socialism I assume you have withdrawn yourself from being part of that when you retire correct? I mean you wouldn’t want to be part of that socialism right?
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I believe you have missed the point entirely, while helping to confirm it.
 
Surrealistik said:
Pretty sure you guys started on with this disingenuous McCarthyism and casual disregard for the actual definition of socialism way back in the 50s and 60s in an attempt to discredit and slander people who wanted more economically progressive policies via buzzwords and the red scare that was in vogue at the time (and never entirely went away).

Again, if you'd like to malign these programs/ideas as falling under the spooky umbrella of socialism, we're in turn more than happy to point out where these 'socialist' policies work exceedingly well.
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I'm not the one who calls places like Sweden "socialist." But "progressives" do, and admiringly.
 
Harshaw said:
I'm not the one who calls places like Sweden "socialist." But "progressives" do, and admiringly.
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Perhaps you don't individually, and if so, good on you. Unfortunately, conservatives have done so on the regular for decades; 'socialist' and even 'Marxist' are routinely used to slam such countries by the right leaning, particularly its more rabid members, though these misnomers are not uncommon in mainstream American conservative discourse. You can't tell me with earnesty that you've never heard a right wing pundit refer to Scandinavia, Europe, or individual constituent countries as either.
 
Surrealistik said:
Perhaps you don't individually, and if so, good on you. Unfortunately, conservatives have done so on the regular for decades; 'socialist' and even 'Marxist' are routinely used to slam such countries by the right leaning, particularly its more rabid members, though these misnomers are not uncommon in mainstream American conservative discourse. You can't tell me with earnesty that you've never heard a right wing pundit refer to Scandinavia, Europe, or individual constituent countries as either.
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Sure I have. But that's entirely beside the point.

"Progressives" call places like Sweden "socialist" and say that's what they want. So yeah, "progressives" want and embrace what they consider "socialism."

Heck, Praxas above is calling Social Security, of which he approves, "socialism."
 
Harshaw said:
I'm not the one who calls places like Sweden "socialist." But "progressives" do, and admiringly.
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Sweden is a social democracy. Which progressives call it a socialist country?
 
Howard the Duck said:
Not at all.

Do you agree that Fascist is a better term for Republican?
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That is absolutely ridiculous, Howard...The two are actually at complete opposite ends of the political spectrum.

A true conservative "Republican" believes in personal freedom, individual rights, self-reliance, free market capitalism, a strict constitutional republic and a small unobtrusive government.

"Fascism" on the other hand is a totalitarian state in which the people are void of individual rights and live in fear of a big all-powerful intrusive government...Quite the opposite.
 
Harshaw said:
I believe you have missed the point entirely, while helping to confirm it.
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Nope still waiting for your answer, you are of course opting out of ever collecting social security right? Answer the simple question.
 
Ah the word “socialism”.

The trigger word for wierdo American far right extremists everywhere that live in some perpetual red scare bubble universe.

“Oh no, poor people might get healthcare, get that bastard!”
 
Praxas said:
Nope still waiting for your answer, you are of course opting out of ever collecting social security right? Answer the simple question.
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Yes, you definitely missed the point.

But you indeed helped confirm it by calling Social Security "socialism."
 
Jetboogieman said:
Ah the word “socialism”.

The trigger word for wierdo American far right extremists everywhere that live in some perpetual red scare bubble universe.

“Oh no, poor people might get healthcare, get that bastard!”
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Is that socialism?
 
Empirica said:
That is absolutely ridiculous, Howard...The two are actually at complete opposite ends of the political spectrum.

A true conservative "Republican" believes in personal freedom, individual rights, self-reliance, free market capitalism, a strict constitutional republic and a small unobtrusive government.

"Fascism" on the other hand is a totalitarian state in which the people are void of individual rights and live in fear of a big all-powerful intrusive government...Quite the opposite.
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Fascism is what trump wishes the people to be. He wants the people to treat and worship him as the NK people do their leader. You support fascism if you support trump.
 
Empirica said:
IMO; the new modern-day sanitized word for "Socialist" is now "Progressive"...Do you agree?

Try this...Anytime you hear democrats refer to themselves or their politics as "Progressive", mentally play it back using "Socialist" in its place.

And when you consider all their views, policies, talking points and electoral platforms, etc; you will see quite clearly that they are socialists in sheep's clothing.
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LMAO this is one of the dumbest claims today and it doesn't matter what anybody thinks. Anybody honest, educated, objective who can read sees quite clearly facts prove your claim wrong.
 
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