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Is this where Trumps support crashes or at least shrinks finally?

Is this where Trumps support crashes or at least shrinks finally?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • No

    Votes: 24 61.5%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 12 30.8%
  • Total voters
    39
Most entertaining president we've ever had. Personally, I don't care how many faux pas he makes, I like his policies. And getting that SC nominee pushed through will seal the deal.
 
Amelia said:
Gingrich provides an example. He called Trump's Helsinki debacle the most serious mistake of Trump's presidency.
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I liked this line if for no other reason than that he finally admitted that Trump has made other mistakes too.
 
Trumps base and the Congressional GOP are in for a penny and in for a dollar.

Far too late to back-peddle now. They'd rather betray their country than abandon Trump at this stage.

That's the difference between them and everyone else.
 
Amelia said:
Trump's base is in too far. They can't turn on him now. They could never save face.

Gingrich provides an example. He called Trump's Helsinki debacle the most serious mistake of Trump's presidency.

But now he's back to singing Trump's praises and says he trusts Helsinki was a mere aberration.



The pivot which Gingrich pulls off with pedantic rationalization, the majority of Trump's base will do on a more gut level. They cannot bear to face how low they sunk when they hitched their wagon to Trump's star so they'll stay on the ride.
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I think people like soybean farmers
are starting to doubt,as more Trump supporters take it on the chin in there own life,some support will dwindle.
Big percent of rabid Trump supporters will go down with Trump.
Probably never voted before Trump,will never vote again after Trump
 
Mizzy22 said:
I think people like soybean farmers
are starting to doubt,as more Trump supporters take it on the chin in there own life,some support will dwindle.
Big percent of rabid Trump supporters will go down with Trump.
Probably never voted before Trump,will never vote again after Trump
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All it takes is a loss of 1% support in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, and that undoes Trump's flukish electoral college advantage.


I think he loses the 1%.

So far not seeing signs of a precipitous drop, but we'll take the 1%.
 
To the shores of hell.

What some people don't properly appreciate is that standing by him regardless of anything he says or does is a point of identity for trump supporters. They also voted for him because he promised chaos, to torment liberals and make immigrants' lives hell, and since they perceive he's delivering on all three of those then he's doing what they sent him to Washington to do.

His approval has dipped to 42.8, but it'll get back up to about 43.5 when the new round of polls come out.

Edit: 79% of Republicans approve of Trump's performance on Monday. Now, based on Republican reaction on Monday alone, it's almost certain that those responses aren't true. But that's how they answered because of the "trump supporter as team identity" factor I referred to above.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
I thought he would be gone before now given that at the start he did not complete the take-over of the R Party (A task he has largely accomplished since) and I know that guys like Trump tend to wear out their welcome....they are so exhausting.

Putin/Nato/being rude to the Queen some say/ripping babies out of the arms of their mothers as they try to break into America.....have we had enough?


ME: I know that the FAILED INTELLIGENTSIA! really think that they might have him this time but I tend to doubt it...Trump is doing what he said he would do, this is exactly why we hired him, why would that be a problem? Because of lectures from the elite about how horrible Trump is?

BUT IDK, I will be watching 538 closely the next few weeks.
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1. His saving grace has been the Primary damage done to any R who opposes him.
2. R's won't ditch him unless they get their asses handed to them in the general election in November, and even then...maybe not.
3. A solid 35% of the voting public would vote R over D even if Trump was seen blowing Putin.

That said, when the dust settles, elected Republicans will be back to supporting Trump by and large — and a new poll gives us a good indication of why. The CBS News survey finds that while just 32 percent of Americans approved of Trump's performance at Helsinki, support among Republicans was 68 percent — or more than double.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...why-its-hard-for-republicans-to-abandon-trump
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Moot said:
We'll see.

And yet your source says that nearly half the funding for the 'down payment' on the wall was allocated to other projects such as building levees and repairing existing border walls. Not much left to build a 2,000 mile long wall before 2020.
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Irrelevant. There is an executive order and the project has already been funded.

Illegal border crossing was already trending down before Trump was president....and now it's going back up...

After the 'Trump effect' slowed illegal immigration, numbers rise again as Central Americans fear conditions at home
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Irrelevant. Border crossings are at all time lows. They're higher than they were since 2017, but still the lowest in ten years.

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Eliminating DACA and Trump's immigration policy of separating families at the border isn't quite the immigration reform that most people were hoping for...in fact, they overwhelmingly hate it...

Most Americans Oppose Trump'''s Immigration Policies: Poll | Time
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Irrelevant. He is enforcing immigration laws, which is what he was elected to do.

Did they? Looks more like NATO just reaffirmed their pledge to meet their 2014 commitment....

"...North Atlantic Treaty Organization members have not agreed to give the alliance more money, as Mr. Trump’s comment about “raising vast amounts of money” would suggest. Rather, each NATO member pledged in 2014 to spend 2 percent of its gross domestic product on its own defense each year by 2024. During the summit meeting in Brussels last week, members reaffirmed their commitment to that pledge..."​
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Irrelevant. They're pledge is 2% of GDP. They're not at 2% of GDP. Now they will be spending 2% of GDP.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/us/politics/fact-check-trump-nato-spending-increase.html
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And yet, Obamacare is still going strong...

"....while Trump notably referred to Obamacare as "dead," sign-ups during the abbreviated open enrollment period last fall decreased only a modest 3.8 percent from the previous year. And in February, effectuated enrollment – meaning those who signed up for coverage and made their first premium payment – actually increased 3 percent over 2017, to 10.6 million – according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Analysts say the efforts to chip away at the law have had an impact but that, broadly, the individual insurance markets established by the law have reached a fragile balance..."

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...8-07-18/obamacare-finds-stability-under-siege​
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Irrelevant. Eliminating the individual mandate is the most important feature. Without it states will need to put up the funding on their own.

Oh, let's not. lol North Korea tested a hydrogen bomb when Trump was a candidate....and now that he is president and had his photo op with Kim Jung il....NK is increasing it's nuclear arsenal not eliminating it.
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Irrelevant. You said that there wasn't a deal; there is clearly a deal between the two.

You are mistaken...or should I say 'taken in?' lol Trump has not achieved one thing he promised...but he is achieving Putin's goal of creating division and chaos in the US. You would do well to pay more attention to Trump's actions, or lack thereof, than to his braggadocios bravado and fluttering little hands.
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Why don't you get a clue? Everyone else seemed to have got it so far....

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Kobie said:
Embarrass himself and the nation; try his damndest to start a really stupid trade war; cozy up to our enemies and rivals while pissing on our allies; appointing cabinet heads who are shamelessly corrupt, against the agency they run, utterly incompetent, or all three; lie at a world-record pace; and spend his entire mornings watching Fox and his entire evenings tweeting from the crapper? He's the worst ****ing president of all time, by a wide margin, and the people who voted for him and continue to carry (polluted!) water for him need their heads examined.
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This is obviously a perfect list that also obviously omits other embarrassments - I mean incredible accomplishments. But highlight the end part with the seemingly innocuous inclusion of "polluted" water. What's going to do Trump in has to literally harm his base. He will get a pass on everything else, but he allowed his "friends" (corporate lobbyists and insider billionaires) to kill the EPA and inevitably that will come back and it will make a lot of people sick and shorten a lot of people's lifespans. Particularly in red states where they don't use their budgets for environmental protection or enforce pollution laws. Imagine one Flint after another after another. That's exactly what we'll have because environmental protections have been all but eliminated and industry can pollute as much as they'd like (they technically can't, but they either don't get fined or the fines are literally about $30).

Only 18% of registered Republicans disapproved of the latest scandal. Is that enough to take him down in an election two years from now? No. Will they care about anything Mueller digs up? No. So the numbers in the next Presidential election should be almost identical to the last election, unless people are literally getting sick by then.
 
Amelia said:
All it takes is a loss of 1% support in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, and that undoes Trump's flukish electoral college advantage.


I think he loses the 1%.

So far not seeing signs of a precipitous drop, but we'll take the 1%.
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I all along have felt Trump won't be alive for one reason or another in Nov 2020.
 
Hedgology said:
Since we've reached historic levels of partisanship. Moderates are less likely to survive in our political process.
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I used to that, then I did a deep dive into the climate during Vietnam, and to most appearances it appears essentially the same...

I don't know if that is good news, because you guys survived it, or hopelessly depressing because you guys survived it, and let it happen again...
 
OlNate said:
I used to that, then I did a deep dive into the climate during Vietnam, and to most appearances it appears essentially the same...

I don't know if that is good news, because you guys survived it, or hopelessly depressing because you guys survived it, and let it happen again...
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Our changing electoral just shows that anyone can be President, despite the levels of partisanship. This is important for our democracy because need a citizen's government of peers and equals; not of inferiors and superiors.
 
Hedgology said:
The Democrats will never moderate towards the center because they don't think they need to. Their tent is getting smaller and smaller. If they're planning to moderate, it will because they want to be more pragmatic; not because they want to appeal to the moderates. Bernie was seen as too idealistic while Clinton was for the grown-ups.

Besides, they're problem isn't necessarily moderates anymore. It's working class voters (particularly white working class). They have too many sacred cows. If they alienate any of them, they can't make up that difference anywhere else. Hillary only won 66% of the Latino vote and 56% of the women vote FFS.
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Well stated.

The Dems used to have a sacred cow called "Caucasian working-class men & women". Then they ceded-away that important demo to Trump. They grew complacent. It was a critical blunder. And I don't know how they will get them back, as Trump seems to have them firmly ensconced within his hands, particularly if they are rural or small city/town.

This key demographic had been steadily overlooked by the Repubs since the Reagan eighties, and later was perceived as attacked by both parties - through Clinton - in the nineties via NAFTA. From that time forward, they have been perceiving a constant marginalization in their importance within the Dem Party, which escalated during the last decade or so as the Dems embarked upon their culture wars.

In fact, I'd argue this group were discussing is the key demographic to Trump's power. Both parties had let this demo lay fallow and unattended, for far too many years. They were ripe for the picking.

As an aside, I'd also argue the Dems have got to come-around to join the country in its desire for more vigorous border enforcement and in ending illegal immigration. There's room for internal policies like DACA, and debating what may be the proper level of legal immigration. But few Americans today have neither taste nor tolerance for the porous borders we've experienced through the decades.
 
Moot said:
But the thing is, he hasn't really achieved anything that he promised to the people. No wall, no immigration reform, no trade deals, no nuclear disarmament in NK or Iran, no deals with NATO, EU, China, NAFTA...and we still have Obamacare. He has achieved nothing...except "division and chaos."

"....The goal was simply to create division and chaos by exploiting existing cleavages in American society—or as the indictment puts it, operators were instructed to create “political intensity through supporting radical groups, users dissatisfied with [the] social and economic situation and oppositional social movements.” ..."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/mueller-roadmap/553604/​
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I hope you don't mind me jumping-in here, to comment.

I think Trump has done a fair amount to appease his supporters. He's signing Executive Orders like mad, and he's been been pushing-through a plethora of appointments that themselves have been pushing through reams of Trump policy.

But even further, Trump's key demographics often feel they've been overlooked by both parties and the government decades! Even when he falls short or screws-up, they accept it because for the first time in so long they believe someone is fighting for them, speaking to and for him. It's not just efficacy to them, but emotive bonding & support.

If you remember, this last phenomenon occurred amongst Obama supporters too. His supporters often felt he was a bit feckless, a bit too moderate, and that he was impeded by a reticent Congress. Their support rarely wavered, and they happily propelled him to a quick and impressive electoral win in 2012!
 
Aristaeus said:
Yes. /end thread.
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Yes, I think support for him began to waver in Europe after his bull in the china shop visit. Before the world could process his trashing of allies and NATO Helsinki happened. Helsinki was the disaster many feared it would be and in some ways worse. Trump's destruction of things that have made America proud was relentless. I never expected a President of the United States to act like swooning winking meat puppet for the thug leader of an arch-adversary. But he did and he is still doing it.

Today, Thursday, after the abysmal **** show he has starred in for the last two weeks Trump, honestly, truly, sincerely, obviously doesn't get it. Everyday he wakes up knowing that somehow, someway before his day is over he will pee on the United States of America. Today, it is reported that he hasn't made up his mind about permitting two American citizens, one a former ambassador to questioned by Russian intelligence. He's meeting with staff today to decide what to do!!!!!! Even hardcore Trump fans are in disbelief that Trump would even consider such a thing.

Trump cannot be trusted to standup for his country. We are at that point in Trump's tenure.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Yes, I think support for him began to waver in Europe after his bull in the china shop visit. Before the world could process his trashing of allies and NATO Helsinki happened. Helsinki was the disaster many feared it would be and in some ways worse. Trump's destruction of things that have made America proud was relentless. I never expected a President of the United States to act like swooning winking meat puppet for the thug leader of an arch-adversary. But he did and he is still doing it.

Today, Thursday, after the abysmal **** show he has starred in for the last two weeks Trump, honestly, truly, sincerely, obviously doesn't get it. Everyday he wakes up knowing that somehow, someway before his day is over he will pee on the United States of America. Today, it is reported that he hasn't made up his mind about permitting two American citizens, one a former ambassador to questioned by Russian intelligence. He's meeting with staff today to decide what to do!!!!!! Even hardcore Trump fans are in disbelief that Trump would even consider such a thing.

Trump cannot be trusted to standup for his country. We are at that point in Trump's tenure.
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He'll never beat Obama's Apology Tour and doing zero about North Korea. Then there's that loser Iran Nuke Deal that our "allies" got duped into supporting. :roll: And finally, the entire Russian "collusion/spying/hacking" plus the Hillary server scandal happened on his watch with his knowledge.
 
Aristaeus said:
I don't think most of his supporters care about tearing anything down, they support him because 'liberals' don't like him.
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I think you're right in that there's a component of that. It's not just "Liberals" the, but the liberal policies they (Trump supporters) "perceive".
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I thought he would be gone before now given that at the start he did not complete the take-over of the R Party (A task he has largely accomplished since) and I know that guys like Trump tend to wear out their welcome....they are so exhausting.

Putin/Nato/being rude to the Queen some say/ripping babies out of the arms of their mothers as they try to break into America.....have we had enough?


ME: I know that the FAILED INTELLIGENTSIA! really think that they might have him this time but I tend to doubt it...Trump is doing what he said he would do, this is exactly why we hired him, why would that be a problem? Because of lectures from the elite about how horrible Trump is?

BUT IDK, I will be watching 538 closely the next few weeks.
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I doubt it will dip by more than 2 points. Trump is acting exactly as he campaigned. The people who voted for him because they hated Hillary have long since abandoned him. Nothing about the way Trump has acted should be surprising to anyone. The question going into Helsinki was would Trump bow down before Putin or pretend not to. No one expected him to be strong.

I'm not sure he's given his supporters any reason to abandon him.
 
Absolutely not. The lying media and dems can say whatever they want...we ignore them. Trump has said over and over again on numerous occasions that he agrees that Russia was leaking information. The left and the anti-Trump crowd want us to forget that. It would have served no purpose to harass Putin at a press conference...other than to appease these very same people.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I thought he would be gone before now given that at the start he did not complete the take-over of the R Party (A task he has largely accomplished since) and I know that guys like Trump tend to wear out their welcome....they are so exhausting.

Putin/Nato/being rude to the Queen some say/ripping babies out of the arms of their mothers as they try to break into America.....have we had enough?


ME: I know that the FAILED INTELLIGENTSIA! really think that they might have him this time but I tend to doubt it...Trump is doing what he said he would do, this is exactly why we hired him, why would that be a problem? Because of lectures from the elite about how horrible Trump is?

BUT IDK, I will be watching 538 closely the next few weeks.
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No, the Cult of Trump is too caught up in their ridiculous hyperpartisan nonsense to ever acknowledge the travesty that is his administration.
 
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