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Are you for a state ban on The Pill?

Ban The Pill in your state?


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Good to see that most people are on board with keeping the pill legal. (I can't tell if Cardinal's dissent was a misclick or an ironic vote.)

I do not understand why some prolifers want the pill to be hard-to-get as well. If they really and truly want abortions to go down, should they not want birth control to be easily available to all women who want it? Seems to me that this is just common sense.
 
It isn't that ingrained though in all populations, even here in the US. There are those who truly do believe that it is wrong or that it is harmful or that it can be used to cause an abortion. And it is a lot more than you seem to believe. Some would be fine with it being prescribed for regulating periods, but only that. They are against it being used for any other purpose.

There are polls that show about 8% of the population is against birth control. That is a very small percentage. But that is for the whole US. There are places where this 8% can be concentrated, and reach up to being close to if not over a majority. This is something people don't seem to understand. Just as there are places that could get a law voted in that would restrict relationships based on race, ban interracial or interfaith relationships if put to a vote, while far less than 10% of the whole US population is against such relationships. We are not evenly distributed by beliefs or support for things throughout the US.

I'd like to see those polls.

Just like with abortion, you can personally be against it, but not want to have legislation against it. I know there are people who are against taking the birth control pill themselves. I don't know that those people are for banning it for everyone.
 
Good to see that most people are on board with keeping the pill legal. (I can't tell if Cardinal's dissent was a misclick or an ironic vote.)

I do not understand why some prolifers want the pill to be hard-to-get as well. If they really and truly want abortions to go down, should they not want birth control to be easily available to all women who want it? Seems to me that this is just common sense.

It is easily available.
 
Physically yes, but are there not logistical and sometimes cost barriers?

Birth control pills aren't expensive and I don't know any insurance company that doesn't have birth control pill coverage.
 
I'd like to see those polls.

Just like with abortion, you can personally be against it, but not want to have legislation against it. I know there are people who are against taking the birth control pill themselves. I don't know that those people are for banning it for everyone.

Sure there are lots more people against personally taking birth control than there are for banning it, more than that 8%. About 1/2 of Catholics are against using birth control, but not nearly that many would even refuse to sell someone birth control or get upset with others for using it.

Do pro-lifers oppose birth control? Polls say no.
 
Sure there are lots more people against personally taking birth control than there are for banning it, more than that 8%. About 1/2 of Catholics are against using birth control, but not nearly that many would even refuse to sell someone birth control or get upset with others for using it.

Do pro-lifers oppose birth control? Polls say no.

So you agree with me. 8% of people wouldn't personally take the birth control pill (which is for a variety of reasons -- long-term effects, afraid it causes cancer, etc.), but the poll wasn't asking if they wanted legislation to BAN the birth control pill. Again, the percentage is so minute that it's ridiculous to be even claiming that it could happen in the US.

Not sure where you're getting the Catholic numbers. 82% of Catholics find the birth control pill morally acceptable.

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Actually who cares. You know it’s funny how people act when their rights are being taken away! I don’t really care because I look at it as a right for women. Should we ban condoms? I don’t really get it we’re fighting over something stupid but we need to have the government to tell my daughter that she can’t get abortion? Get a life and, get your blink nose out of people’s decisions


Can’t censor this Patriot

That is my position: Don’t support the Pill, don’t take it. Don’t support abortion, don’t have one.
 
That is my position: Don’t support the Pill, don’t take it. Don’t support abortion, don’t have one.

Oh, I'm sure you're against abortion at some point in the pregnancy.
 
The idea of banning the pill outright is a rather extreme fringe position at this time. However, it's a fact that most birth control pills contain a combination of hormones, and one of those hormones can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting. That is viewed by some as murder since conception has already occurred.

I think it's nuts, but tell that to the people that have advanced legislation in some states to give "personhood" to those fertilized eggs. If any of those laws passed as written, the pill would need to be banned. Granted these nuts never look at the possible repercussions of laws like this, and when someone rubs their face in the facts the laws get chased away.

Here's one law from a state I used to live in:
https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/virginias-foolish-personhood-law/
 
So you agree with me. 8% of people wouldn't personally take the birth control pill (which is for a variety of reasons -- long-term effects, afraid it causes cancer, etc.), but the poll wasn't asking if they wanted legislation to BAN the birth control pill. Again, the percentage is so minute that it's ridiculous to be even claiming that it could happen in the US.

Not sure where you're getting the Catholic numbers. 82% of Catholics find the birth control pill morally acceptable.

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No. I think that is the number who find using birth control morally wrong, and that this is also the number or very close to it, who would ban it. Most who see something like this as "morally wrong", would in fact ban it.

And again, concentration matters. Not all of that 8%, which is still 3 million people, are distributed evenly throughout the US. There are concentrations of people throughout the US. Those things do matter. Those 3 million people could mostly be within a small number of counties within the US, making it more likely for them to get laws to pass there. Just because something could not get passed on a federal level, does not mean individual states or localities could not have enough of a population there to pass such things.
 
Oh, I'm sure you're against abortion at some point in the pregnancy.

Why? Not everyone is. Some people are for abortions up to the point of birth. But viability is a pretty good place to put the cutoff for most circumstances. Just like most pro-lifers are for abortion due to some circumstances.
 
No. I think that is the number who find using birth control morally wrong, and that this is also the number or very close to it, who would ban it. Most who see something like this as "morally wrong", would in fact ban it.

And again, concentration matters. Not all of that 8%, which is still 3 million people, are distributed evenly throughout the US. There are concentrations of people throughout the US. Those things do matter. Those 3 million people could mostly be within a small number of counties within the US, making it more likely for them to get laws to pass there. Just because something could not get passed on a federal level, does not mean individual states or localities could not have enough of a population there to pass such things.

I guess since we don't have any statistics about how many people want it banned, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
Why? Not everyone is. Some people are for abortions up to the point of birth. But viability is a pretty good place to put the cutoff for most circumstances. Just like most pro-lifers are for abortion due to some circumstances.

Because, just like people who are against the pill, the vast majority of people have a limit on where they think abortions should legally occur. I'm guessing Risky is in the majority and not the minority. He can correct me if he's for abortion after viability.
 
Because, just like people who are against the pill, the vast majority of people have a limit on where they think abortions should legally occur. I'm guessing Risky is in the majority and not the minority. He can correct me if he's for abortion after viability.

Why should he though? You basically just put out some random question as if that means something. Having a limit on where during gestation to place a "limit" in no way invalidates someone's view on abortion nor does it have anything to do with his position here, even his post you quoted with that. He can be against someone having an abortion after a certain point, and still be for someone's right to get an abortion at that time. You even pointed that out. So why should it matter if he is against someone having an abortion at some point but still see it as "if you don't like an abortion, at that point, don't have one"?
 
Why should he though? You basically just put out some random question as if that means something. Having a limit on where during gestation to place a "limit" in no way invalidates someone's view on abortion nor does it have anything to do with his position here, even his post you quoted with that. He can be against someone having an abortion after a certain point, and still be for someone's right to get an abortion at that time. You even pointed that out. So why should it matter if he is against someone having an abortion at some point but still see it as "if you don't like an abortion, at that point, don't have one"?

I didn't say he "should". I just assumed he doesn't support it at some point because that's the majority opinion.
 
Pro-Life, against banning the pill, if we are talking about the daily birth control pill which has been around for many decades.
If the Pope can tell women to use 'rhythm' to prevent an unwanted pregnancy then a doctor can tell women to eat this pill.

Although, my first Wife's daughter was born while she was using the pill, but that was very long ago and maybe the pill is more effective today, I wouldn't know. And I assume we negate any/all side effects, if any.

I'm not in favor of abortion-as-birth-control or as a means of procuring biological 'parts' for whatever reason, but the pill is merely prevention, even the Pope agrees women can do that.
 
How about the fact that some people are absolutely for banning the pill, even lie about it.

The Pill Kills - 2015 - The Pill Kills Truth

There is a small portion of the US who would like to ban birth control pills, for a number of reasons, but the most popular is that their religious beliefs go against their use or they wrongly believe that birth control pills cause abortions.

It not by any means even remotely close to being mainstream in conservative circles.
 
This is a jump-off from another poll about birth control.

The Pill -- the oral contraceptive that many women take everyday to prevent pregnancy. If a lawmaker in your state proposed a ban on The Pill, would you be for it or against it?

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The poll speaks for itself.
 
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