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Should there be laws that regulate immigration?

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Of course there should be laws regulating immigration.
I'd even be in favor of a merit based system.
Add to that a good solid background check, thorough vetting into criminal, social and economic histories.

Thing is, it needs to be equitable, accessible, fair, affordable and it needs to recognize the difference between immigration and asylum.

But of course we need strong border protection and laws that regulate who comes here to live.
Simple common sense.

PS: I'm one of those "libtards".
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I don't think I've used the term "libtard" have I? If so, I don't know why. In any event, we agree on this point. In what area's do you think of yourself as liberal?
Regards,
CP
Regards,
CP
 
concernedpuma said:
Is there point of basis for supporting unbridled immigration? Could be a short lived thread.
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Has anyone suggested there shouldn't be laws regulating immigration?
 
No, there should be no laws! We should have open borders! Every terrorist and criminal in the world should be free to come here! We should take all of the one billion people from destitute parts of the world who want to come here. I am serious! I am the liberal that Trump supporters believe are pushing for the elimination of all borders and security entirely!
 
concernedpuma said:
I believe so. The notion of dismantling ICE certainly suggests that, wouldn't you agree?
Regards,
CP
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No.

Not even remotely.

Dismantling or restructuring ICE only changes the implementation/enforcement part of things, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the laws themselves.


Obviously.
 
concernedpuma said:
I don't think I've used the term "libtard" have I? If so, I don't know why. In any event, we agree on this point. In what area's do you think of yourself as liberal?
Regards,
CP
Regards,
CP
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Affordable education for everyone. Means tested subsidies for state university for anyone who passes "ability to benefit" testing and falls below a specified income level.

Affordable health care on a universal basis, either through a single payer system or a public option. Can coexist alongside a free market system if need be however medical coverage for catastrophic illnesses cannot be based on ability to pay.

Environmental regs, clean air, clean water, sustainable land use.

Women's equality, marriage equality.

Strong unions, worker rights.

Consumer protections.

Those are the big ones.
 
The Mark said:
No.

Not even remotely.

Dismantling or restructuring ICE only changes the implementation/enforcement part of things, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the laws themselves.


Obviously.
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Maybe I'm walking out on a plank, but who would enforce immigration laws, if not ICE? And, to the MARK if no enforcement i.e. dismantling, what weight is there to laws?
Regards,
CP
 
concernedpuma said:
Maybe I'm walking out on a plank, but who would enforce immigration laws, if not ICE? And, to the MARK if no enforcement i.e. dismantling, what weight is there to laws?
Regards,
CP
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Lol. It is a call for immigration reform. Not a call for no enforcement of immigration laws.
 
CriticalThought said:
Lol. It is a call for immigration reform. Not a call for no enforcement of immigration laws.
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Oh, okay. What changes are sought by the dismantling of ICE? Would it be accurate to say that te notion of doing away with ICE is just a way of making a point, or rather, how would doing away with ICE help anything?
Regards,
CP
 
concernedpuma said:
Oh, okay. What changes are sought by the dismantling of ICE? Would it be accurate to say that te notion of doing away with ICE is just a way of making a point, or rather, how would doing away with ICE help anything?
Regards,
CP
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Like most movements at their inception, it is a coalition of people with very different ideas of why it is important and what should happen. This is a direct result of Trump taking the particular approach to immigration that he has. Whether he is there for 4 years or 8 years, he is building a liberal backlash that will make the conservative backlash against Obama look like a short lived hiccup.
 
concernedpuma said:
Maybe I'm walking out on a plank, but who would enforce immigration laws, if not ICE? And, to the MARK if no enforcement i.e. dismantling, what weight is there to laws?
Regards,
CP
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Whatever is set up to cover the areas it does during the abolishment process.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement isn't the only enforcement currently, and replacing it with something that does less harm won't mean no enforcement at all.

For sure, I know that Border Patrol...patrols the borders.
 
CriticalThought said:
Like most movements at their inception, it is a coalition of people with very different ideas of why it is important and what should happen. This is a direct result of Trump taking the particular approach to immigration that he has. Whether he is there for 4 years or 8 years, he is building a liberal backlash that will make the conservative backlash against Obama look like a short lived hiccup.
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Maybe, so. I would wonder about the clout of a liberal backlash. It seems so many ideas attributed to the liberals are shotgun in nature. Many of those notions aren't generally held as good by those who identify as liberal.
Regards,
CP
 
Linc said:
This is just more of the goPC false-equivalence nonsense. If you don’t support family separations, you support MS—13.
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That's the only way conservatives can have any success.
 
thenotorious said:
That's the only way conservatives can have any success.
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Yes — Pastor Pence is already banging the alt-right drums with his lies on ICE. Just go back to Lee Atwater and Willie Horton to understand these republicans. As we’re also now seeing with the alt-right war on NFL African Americans.
 
Linc said:
Yes — Pastor Pence is already banging the alt-right drums with his lies on ICE. Just go back to Lee Atwater and Willie Horton to understand these republicans. As we’re also now seeing with the alt-right war on NFL African Americans.
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I hope you didn't mean Pastor Pence as an insult. I sensed you did. I would gladly accept a person in power who thinks there is someone above him. It is rare these days,
Regards,
CP
 
concernedpuma said:
Dogone it! I hoped to make more of a poser than yes, or no. I failed here. Stay tuned, though, I have the feeling some might say no.
Thank you for your reply,
CP
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You are naive in thinking that some would say no. Democrats would defend to the death that we should have immigration laws, while expanding sanctuary cities and not enforcing the immigration laws we have, allowing illegals benefits and continuing them being allowed to vote (just showing up in a census count gives them a voice in the government, which is called voting).
 
Moderate Right said:
You are naive in thinking that some would say no. Democrats would defend to the death that we should have immigration laws, while expanding sanctuary cities and not enforcing the immigration laws we have, allowing illegals benefits and continuing them being allowed to vote (just showing up in a census count gives them a voice in the government, which is called voting).
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Maybe, but I fear there is a mindless mob that acts like a blind dog in a meat house. They seem to roundly support the most goofy things and are willing to show up nd raise Cain for most any shiny object or idea that is anti-establishment. I hope I am naïve!
Regards,
CP
 
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