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Did the Confederates commit treason?

Did the Confederates commit treason?

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Ahem... the question is open to debate.

But it's not possible to resolve the question. Without getting into the arguments, the South made a massive mistake initiating hostilities.

And the rest, as they say, is history.

The South never stops trying to change that, but the only way they have a chance to 'succeed' is to ruin the country; to roll back the clock. Which is what they are trying to do, with Putin's help.

There is a character in Game of Thrones, Little Finger, who would be willing to burn Westeros, "if he could rule over the ashes".

I keep getting reminded of that now.
 
Greenbeard said:
Which it had no legal right to do.
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Nor is secession defined as an act of treason in The Constitution (a matter of perspective).

I find it funny how Liberals abhore southern secession, yet are in 100% support of states nullifying Federal law, now.

What's the real issue with Southern secession? The fact that it was Southern? Is the gnashing of the teeth really motivated by anti-Southern bigotry?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Irrelevant. They began the hostilities, no matter how desperately you need to barf up revisionist history hairballs.
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As mentioned earlier, it's about perspective. If you lack the ability to discuss the topic from any other than an anti-Southern perspective, then there's nothing I can do to help yoi learn anything.
 
apdst said:
Nor is secession defined as an act of treason in The Constitution (a matter of perspective).
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The treason was the part where they took up arms against the United States.

What's the real issue with Southern secession? The fact that it was Southern? Is the gnashing of the teeth really motivated by anti-Southern bigotry?
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The real issue with Southern secession is that, as Grant put it, "that cause was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse." Treason in support of chattel slavery is a great moral tragedy.
 
Greenbeard said:
The treason was the part where they took up arms against the United States.



The real issue with Southern secession is that, as Grant put it, "that cause was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse." Treason in support of chattel slavery is a great moral tragedy.
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As pointed out, they didn't consider themselves United States citizens.

Great job at taking Grant out of context. But, I figured this was another in a long line of threads with no other purpose than to **** on Southerners.

Have fun. I'm out.
 
apdst said:
As pointed out, they didn't consider themselves United States citizens.

Great job at taking Grant out of context. But, I figured this was another in a long line of threads with no other purpose than to **** on Southerners.

Have fun. I'm out.
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It was treason. They were traitors.
 
The way things are going that old Confederate money might be worth something again
 
Howard the Duck said:
Of course it is.
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Not really, because they weren't traitors. They were loyal to the country they accepted to be theirs, The Confederate States of America.

Jane Fonda is a traitor.
 
Greenbeard said:
It wasn't even worth anything then.
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You are from Massachusetts, yeah? Maybe instead of stimulating your little hate boner over the Confederates you should be more concerned with why there were race riots in Boston not in 1776 but 1976. Or why even today Boston contends for the crown of most racist city in the country,. ****...as I recall, didnt a black civil rights lawyer get stabbed in the chest by a Bostonian with a flagpole?

Talk about having ****in issues.....

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Southern forces fired on the Union garrison at Fort Sumter to initiate hostilities. On February 8, 1861, representatives of South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Texas announced the formation of the Confederate States of America with its capital at Montgomery, Alabama. These states organized a parallel government, conscripted military forces to protect their Confederacy, sank Union ships on littoral waters and on the high seas, established parole and POW camps for captured soldiers, hanged "spies" and blacks in uniform, and attempted to militarily conquer and hold large swaths of United States territory.

Treason by any metric.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Southern forces fired on the Union garrison at Fort Sumter to initiate hostilities. On February 8, 1861, representatives of South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Texas announced the formation of the Confederate States of America with its capital at Montgomery, Alabama. These states organized a parallel government, conscripted military forces to protect their Confederacy, sank Union ships on littoral waters and on the high seas, established parole and POW camps for captured soldiers, hanged "spies" and blacks in uniform, and attempted to militarily conquer and hold large swaths of United States territory.

Treason by any metric.
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Yeah, that was never an objective.
 
I have a hard time ca.ling it treason. The question at the time was if states had a legal right to secede from the union. One side believed they did and one side believed they did not. It was a legal question that was unanswered at the time and it lead to a war.



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Greenbeard said:
No, I'm from the Midwest. Does that have a bearing on whether the Confederates who waged war on the United States were traitors?
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SO...you are just hanging out in Cambridge Massachusetts?

Midwest huh...Money says wherever you are from we can find modern day hatred. As to the 'bearing'...who gives a ****? Your sole intent is to stir up hatred on this site. Regardless of what the Southerners were or werent in the 1800's, you have painted yourself as far worse.
 
Harshaw said:
It really is.
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It is, if you choose to ignore a few hundred thousand pages worth of historical fact.

That happens a lot in these Civil War threads.
 
apdst said:
It is, if you choose to ignore a few hundred thousand pages worth of historical fact.

That happens a lot in these Civil War threads.
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No, treason is a fairly simple thing.
 
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