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Confederate statue compromise

Replace Confederate statues with statues of Lincoln?

  • Yes, Lincoln deserves to be honored

    Votes: 8 44.4%

  • Yes, the Republicans are the party of Lincoln

    Votes: 2 11.1%

  • Well, i guess it is still history

    Votes: 1 5.6%

  • No. **** Lincoln.

    Votes: 7 38.9%
  • Total voters
    18
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I lived in North Texas for ten years, and I am aware of those small towns.
Sorry, but Nathan Bedford Forrest should not get a statue on the public dime, I don't even care if Forrest's great great grandchildren still live there.
Let them put up a statue in the front yard of their home.

It's not uproar...you just don't get it.
"Free negroes" live in Forrest's hometown now. Why should they be subjected to a statue honoring the man who inspired others to hunt them down like beasts of the field and slaughter them?
That's LOCAL uproar.
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The key to dealing with Forrest, whatever your perspective or how twisted your conclusions might
have developed in the past, is to study the records and the actions of the man.
Give the General a fair look. He could have lived with the score.

No other soldier in any wars fought by men born of American soil was so praised by both those who
wrote history, those who fought against him and those who fought on his side.

1) His greatest adversary William T. Sherman called him “the most
remarkable man our civil war produced on either side’ & ‘he had a
strategy which was original & incomprehensible. There was no theory
or art of war by which I could calculate with any degree of certainty
what Forrest was up to.’
https://lsupress.org/books/detail/that-devil-forrest/

2) Shelby Foote who wrote the monumental 3-volume Civil War A Narrative:
Held that there were two authentic geniuses to emerge from the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln & Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest.
clevelandcivilwarroundtable.com/articles/military/foote_wrong.htm

3) After his surrender, when asked by a Union Officer who he thought his greatest general was, General Robert E. Lee
replied, Sir, a gentleman I have never had the pleasure to meet, General Nathan Bedford Forrest.
https://patch.com/.../defense-maligned-confederate-general-nathan-bedford-forrest-18...

Forrest as a soldier:
The Institute for Military Studies concluded that the Battle of Brice's Crossroads (won by Forrest),
was perhaps the most spectacular display of tactical genius during warfare.

Within the restrictions imposed by the slaveholding society in which he lived, Forrest managed to treat the black Southerners
with whom he came in contact as well as he perhaps could do. Judging by the actions and comments of some of the people
he owned, and emancipated, he treated them with a level of respect, respect and human dignity that went significantly
beyond the requirements of his profession. Many of the black Southerners he dealt with, in turn, recognized his friendship
and returned it many times over, during and long after the war.

Forrest wasn't exactly typical: he ran his own shop and trying to get him to act conventional was, at best,
a matter of did he want to. Enlisting blacks was verboten, except in Forrest's command. If he wanted to give a
black a musket, he did. Besides for these men many of his command never formally enlisted ... they just
joined up to ride with Forrest.
https://civilwartalk.com › ... › Civil War Biography Forums › Nathan B. Forrest
 
cuban smokes said:
A. Lincoln was two faced on the slavery issue; typical Republican that can never be trusted.
First GOP POTUS & in the end got what he deserved; and that wasn't a statue .............
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rocket88 said:
So since people are concerned about "forgetting history" when Confederate statues are taken down, why don't we replace them with statues of Abraham Lincoln? Then we're still remembering history.
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If the local community where the confederate statues are located wants to keep them, fine. If the local community wants them removed, fine. I think this whole thing should be decided by the local community with everyone else who isn't part of that community staying completely out of it.

No community should be pressured one way or the other. Let them decide on their own.
 
Perotista said:
If the local community where the confederate statues are located wants to keep them, fine. If the local community wants them removed, fine. I think this whole thing should be decided by the local community with everyone else who isn't part of that community staying completely out of it.

No community should be pressured one way or the other. Let them decide on their own.
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If the local community wants a statue of hitler... is that ok?
 
vegas giants said:
It's not an opinion. It's a fact. You think they weren't racists? Lol
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Nope I don't think all of them were. That is a fact, you thinking you know what they all thought is an opinion.
 
lefty louie said:
Nope I don't think all of them were. That is a fact, you thinking you know what they all thought is an opinion.
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If you fight for slavery you are racist. Duh
 
Let's worry about that when your hometown wants to put up that statue.

Are you just one of those red-neck rabble rousers?
 
vegas giants said:
If the local community wants a statue of hitler... is that ok?
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Personally, I don't give a darn what ever statue a community puts up. Unless it is in my community, neither should anyone else. Why is it that most Americans think they always know best for other Americans. That outsiders want to run the lives of other people to suit the outsiders views and not necessarily the views of the community.

In case you hadn't notice, this thread is about confederate statues, not Hitler statues. You must have glossed over that or didn't read it. I don't think I have any right to tell someone from New York what statues they can have and which one's they can't. It seems you think you have the right to tell everyone regardless of where they live what statues they can have and which they can't. Like you are the ultimate approving authority that over rides what ever a community decides.
 
rocket88 said:
So since people are concerned about "forgetting history" when Confederate statues are taken down, why don't we replace them with statues of Abraham Lincoln? Then we're still remembering history.
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I think all Confederate statues should be replaced by a black, same sex couple wearing rainbow scarfs while hugging a tree!
 
Perotista said:
Personally, I don't give a darn what ever statue a community puts up. Unless it is in my community, neither should anyone else. Why is it that most Americans think they always know best for other Americans. That outsiders want to run the lives of other people to suit the outsiders views and not necessarily the views of the community.

In case you hadn't notice, this thread is about confederate statues, not Hitler statues. You must have glossed over that or didn't read it. I don't think I have any right to tell someone from New York what statues they can have and which one's they can't. It seems you think you have the right to tell everyone regardless of where they live what statues they can have and which they can't. Like you are the ultimate approving authority that over rides what ever a community decides.
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Maybe they can put in white only bathrooms....I mean if that is what the community wants
 
slick said:
There are so many social problems today we do not need to waste our time unrealistically
judging people of the past by our modern standards.
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Yeah we do. Kids look at those statues
 
slick said:
The key to dealing with Forrest, whatever your perspective or how twisted your conclusions might
have developed in the past, is to study the records and the actions of the man.
Give the General a fair look. He could have lived with the score.

No other soldier in any wars fought by men born of American soil was so praised by both those who
wrote history, those who fought against him and those who fought on his side.
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And yet on one mild spring day in April 1867, this great son of the South, who reportedly "treated the negro with respect", saw fit to stroll into the Maxwell House Hotel and swear an oath of membership in the Ku Klux Klan.

"Two years after Appomattox, Forrest was reincarnated as grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. As the Klan's first national leader, he became the Lost Cause's avenging angel, galvanizing a loose collection of boyish secret social clubs into a reactionary instrument of terror still feared today."
Nathan Bedford Forrest: A Biography

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jamesrage said:
I think we should put up statues of abolitionists who stood up against these men. People like Harriet Tubman, Nat Turner, John Brown, Charles Turner Torrey, Frederick Douglass and many others. Lincoln is a good choice. But he wasn't the only abolitionist.
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Nat Turner, John Brown were murderers. You might want to choose someone else.
 
The liberals are so funny.Why didn't they demand the statues be taken down when Obama was President
 
rocket88 said:
So since people are concerned about "forgetting history" when Confederate statues are taken down, why don't we replace them with statues of Abraham Lincoln? Then we're still remembering history.
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Lincoln statues remember Confederate history, how?
 
lefty louie said:
Can vote here no option that spells out even close to what I think. Leave history as it is, why hide or try and rewrite it.
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Museums are appropriate places. How many statues of Adolf Hitler does one see outside of a museum?
 
vegas giants said:
Yeah we do. Kids look at those statues
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Why stop with the confederate generals how about Washingtom, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe & Jackson?
Afterall they were oppressive slave owners too! Let's erase all history until the politically correct 'age of
diversity' which IMO began shortly after 1965, how's that sound?
 
slick said:
Why stop with the confederate generals how about Washingtom, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe & Jackson?
Afterall they were oppressive slave owners too! Let's erase all history until the politically correct 'age of
diversity' which IMO began shortly after 1965, how's that sound?
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Yep. Tear them all down. Start with the Washington monument
 
gulfman said:
The liberals are so funny.Why didn't they demand the statues be taken down when Obama was President
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glad you are interested in the timing of confederate statues:
“The vast majority of them were built between the 1890s and 1950s, which matches up exactly with the era of Jim Crow segregation.” According to the Southern Poverty Law Center’s research, the biggest spike was between 1900 and the 1920s.
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let me know if i need to explain the jim crow era and what it represented racially
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-u-s-got-so-many-confederate-monuments

and then, in the early sixties, when the civil rights movement was underway, confederate symbols in public spaces again began to spread:
In 1956, Georgia redesigned its state flag to include the Confederate battle flag; and in 1962, South Carolina placed the flag atop its capitol building.
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curious about the timing, myself

https://www.history.com/news/how-the-u-s-got-so-many-confederate-monuments
 
vegas giants said:
If you fight for slavery you are racist. Duh
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Duh, ever see a representative vote for a bill that didn't like everything in the bill because it got them closer to what they did want? Maybe, just maybe 1 or 2 people from the south fought because they didn't like the invading north.
 
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