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Will it be good for America and the world for Donald Trump to meet with Vladimir Putin in a private

Will it be good for America and the world for Donald Trump to meet with Vladimir Putin in a private

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Risky Thicket

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Here we go again. Trump is reported to having planned a private one on one meeting with Putin. What is it with Trump that he seems to enjoy private meetings with ruthless dictators? How is it a good thing? How did that private meeting work out with Kim? It's looking as if NK might have gained more than the US.

Trump is notoriously unprepared for everything. He depth of knowledge from world trade and international relations to diplomacy is shameful and unfortunate. Putin is much more adept at all of those that and more. Worse, due to his ineptitude, lack of discipline and childlike impulsiveness Trump is known to blurt out whatever comes into his head at the moment be it highly classified information or promises he doesn't have the authority to make and thus can't keep.

Trump is oblivious to what his very strange relationship with Putin is doing to America and out relationships with our allies.

Josh Rogin of the Washington Post recently said, [FONT=&quot]“I spent a week in Europe, and let me tell you: They’re freaked out. They don’t understand why the president doesn’t understand the value of the alliances and what they bring to the table. And when your allies are freaked out and your enemies are very happy, you’re doing it wrong![/FONT][FONT=&quot] Russia, in particular, seems to be the country that is most gleeful about the president’s attacks on global economic and military alliances.
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It is also a glaring… fact that all of these positions track with the opinions of Russian President Vladimir Putin. We don’t know why he agrees. I’m not going to speculate on that. It is either a huge coincidence or there is a good reason why all of these strategic moves feed Russian national security interests and align with Putin’s personal views.”

Question: Will it be good for America and the world for Donald Trump to meet with Vladimir Putin in a private one on one talk?

Why?

Why not?[/FONT]
 
If we could sneak a camera in the video would be a huge success on gay porn sites!
 
No.

Anything that is good for american can be said in a meeting with at least a few others.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I can't imagine any gay man would find Trump blowing Putin to be arousing.
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What a fine, well thought out analysis. :roll: And you all wonder why nobody really cares what the haters think.
 
I voted NO

I do not believe it would benefit our nation for Trump to meet with Putin, or to be POTUS, period.

(some of) Trump's back ground:
* has constantly failed to agree to signed contracts in which Trump attempts to screw contractors out of 15% to 25% of the contract amount (sound familiar?)
* known racist tendencies
* history of business associations with Russian mafia figures & money laundering
* filed multiple business bankruptcies to take advantage of others for personal gain
* an admitted sexual predator
* multiple failed marriages in which Trump has broken his vow to multiple wives
* multiple personality disorders; most likely possesses the 'dark triad'
* inability to facilitate continued good faith relations with historical US allies
* propensity to gravitate toward authoritarian figures & dictators, and to offer praise to said figures/dictators
* currently under investigation for conspiring with a foreign (enemy) government to win the 2016 POTUS election
* has expressed positive views concerning the use of nuclear weapons, going back several decades
* absolutely NO political experience

NOW, let's take Trump out of that set of attributes, and let's say those attributes could be claimed by ANYONE currently POTUS & sitting in the White House.

Would anyone here want to see any person with that set of attributes as POTUS?

If you answered yes, then God help US all.
 
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X Factor said:
What a fine, well thought out analysis. :roll: And you all wonder why nobody really cares what the haters think.
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No one cares what haters think? Trump's twitter account has over 30 million followers.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Here we go again. Trump is reported to having planned a private one on one meeting with Putin. What is it with Trump that he seems to enjoy private meetings with ruthless dictators? How is it a good thing? How did that private meeting work out with Kim? It's looking as if NK might have gained more than the US.

Trump is notoriously unprepared for everything. He depth of knowledge from world trade and international relations to diplomacy is shameful and unfortunate. Putin is much more adept at all of those that and more. Worse, due to his ineptitude, lack of discipline and childlike impulsiveness Trump is known to blurt out whatever comes into his head at the moment be it highly classified information or promises he doesn't have the authority to make and thus can't keep.

Trump is oblivious to what his very strange relationship with Putin is doing to America and out relationships with our allies.

Josh Rogin of the Washington Post recently said, [FONT="]“I spent a week in Europe, and let me tell you: They’re freaked out. They don’t understand why the president doesn’t understand the value of the alliances and what they bring to the table. And when your allies are freaked out and your enemies are very happy, you’re doing it wrong![/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#505050][FONT="] Russia, in particular, seems to be the country that is most gleeful about the president’s attacks on global economic and military alliances.
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It is also a glaring… fact that all of these positions track with the opinions of Russian President Vladimir Putin. We don’t know why he agrees. I’m not going to speculate on that. It is either a huge coincidence or there is a good reason why all of these strategic moves feed Russian national security interests and align with Putin’s personal views.”

Question: Will it be good for America and the world for Donald Trump to meet with Vladimir Putin in a private one on one talk?

Why?

Why not?[/FONT]
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The Ruthless Dictator, to quote you has been democratically elected more than once. The USA/Russia Cold War is an MIC construct to generate demand for Military Offense spending and since this Nation is about money, it works. The MSM supports this narrative because the MIC collectively spends huge amounts on advertising and having their agenda promoted. Should two powerful Military Nations talk. Of course they should. It would be absolutely assinine to think otherwise. Trump has the support of the MIC politically becaue he boosted their Military Offense budget by a huge amount ($87billion of $800 billion plus) while Russia has dropped their Military budget to about $49 billion total. Anyone that believes that Russia's paltry expenditures affected the USA election has bats in their bellfry. Keeerrissst, the organizers of all political parties would be standing in line to hire the Russians. That's capitalism. It's a wonderful thing they are talking, but the MIC fears they might get budget cuts, so expect an MSM surge villifying Russia and Putin like this OP.
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Risky Thicket said:
Here we go again. Trump is reported to having planned a private one on one meeting with Putin. What is it with Trump that he seems to enjoy private meetings with ruthless dictators? How is it a good thing? How did that private meeting work out with Kim? It's looking as if NK might have gained more than the US.

Trump is notoriously unprepared for everything. He depth of knowledge from world trade and international relations to diplomacy is shameful and unfortunate. Putin is much more adept at all of those that and more. Worse, due to his ineptitude, lack of discipline and childlike impulsiveness Trump is known to blurt out whatever comes into his head at the moment be it highly classified information or promises he doesn't have the authority to make and thus can't keep.

Trump is oblivious to what his very strange relationship with Putin is doing to America and out relationships with our allies.

Josh Rogin of the Washington Post recently said, [FONT="]“I spent a week in Europe, and let me tell you: They’re freaked out. They don’t understand why the president doesn’t understand the value of the alliances and what they bring to the table. And when your allies are freaked out and your enemies are very happy, you’re doing it wrong![/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#505050][FONT="] Russia, in particular, seems to be the country that is most gleeful about the president’s attacks on global economic and military alliances.
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It is also a glaring… fact that all of these positions track with the opinions of Russian President Vladimir Putin. We don’t know why he agrees. I’m not going to speculate on that. It is either a huge coincidence or there is a good reason why all of these strategic moves feed Russian national security interests and align with Putin’s personal views.”

Question: Will it be good for America and the world for Donald Trump to meet with Vladimir Putin in a private one on one talk?

Why?

Why not?[/FONT]
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The Ruthless Dictator, to quote you has been democratically elected more than once. The USA/Russia Cold War is an MIC construct to generate demand for Military Offense spending and since this Nation is about money, it works. The MSM supports this narrative because the MIC collectively spends huge amounts on advertising and having their agenda promoted. Should two powerful Military Nations talk. Of course they should. It would be absolutely assinine to think otherwise. Trump has the support of the MIC politically becaue he boosted their Military Offense budget by a huge amount ($87billion of $800 billion plus) while Russia has dropped their Military budget to about $49 billion total. Anyone that believes that Russia's paltry expenditures affected the USA election has bats in their bellfry. Keeerrissst, the organizers of all political parties would be standing in line to hire the Russians. That's capitalism. It's a wonderful thing they are talking, but the MIC fears they might get budget cuts, so expect an MSM surge villifying Russia and Putin like this OP.
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I can't see the point. Trump will come out of the meeting singing "what a great man Putin is", when we all know he's a ruthless liar, who locks up his political opponents, and order others poisoned. Putin (like Kim) is guilty of ordering countless bad acts against his people and the world. Will they talk about Syria and the Baltic. If they do, it won't be Putin promising anything beneficial to the US. Just another photo opt for Donald. We already know he's taller than Putin, and much chubbier, lol.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Here we go again. Trump is reported to having planned a private one on one meeting with Putin. What is it with Trump that he seems to enjoy private meetings with ruthless dictators? How is it a good thing? How did that private meeting work out with Kim? It's looking as if NK might have gained more than the US.

Trump is notoriously unprepared for everything. He depth of knowledge from world trade and international relations to diplomacy is shameful and unfortunate. Putin is much more adept at all of those that and more. Worse, due to his ineptitude, lack of discipline and childlike impulsiveness Trump is known to blurt out whatever comes into his head at the moment be it highly classified information or promises he doesn't have the authority to make and thus can't keep.

Trump is oblivious to what his very strange relationship with Putin is doing to America and out relationships with our allies.

Josh Rogin of the Washington Post recently said, [FONT="]“I spent a week in Europe, and let me tell you: They’re freaked out. They don’t understand why the president doesn’t understand the value of the alliances and what they bring to the table. And when your allies are freaked out and your enemies are very happy, you’re doing it wrong![/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#505050][FONT="] Russia, in particular, seems to be the country that is most gleeful about the president’s attacks on global economic and military alliances.
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It is also a glaring… fact that all of these positions track with the opinions of Russian President Vladimir Putin. We don’t know why he agrees. I’m not going to speculate on that. It is either a huge coincidence or there is a good reason why all of these strategic moves feed Russian national security interests and align with Putin’s personal views.”

Question: Will it be good for America and the world for Donald Trump to meet with Vladimir Putin in a private one on one talk?

Why?

Why not?[/FONT]
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What I know is that you guys should really stop drinking from the liberal kool aid.
 
When Venice was a city-state Republic (until their ultimate fall at the hands of Napoleon), the government was extremely suspicious of the Doge being an out-of-control monarch. So laws were passed preventing the office of the Doge from being hereditary as well as barring appointments to government positions for relatives. A law was also passed preventing the Doge from opening foreign communications without the presence of the counsel in order to ensure that he was making decisions in the best interests of the Republic rather than for some...other...motivation.

The Venetian Counsel's wisdom then is particularly relevant now.
 
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Wasn't it Obama who told the Russians he could do more in his second term because he didn't have to worry about being re-elected? He talked to the Russians on many occasions. I'm glad to see Trump following in Obama's footsteps. Maybe a meeting could make some progress in ironing out the differences. They could promise to quit meddling in our elections and we could promise to stop meddling in their elections. That would be a nice start. Then we could apologize to all the other nations where we've been meddling in elections. Then maybe we wouldn't look like such hypocrites to the rest of the world.
 
DaveFagan said:
The Ruthless Dictator, to quote you has been democratically elected more than once.
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Defend Putin if you will. He is ruthless and he does not govern through the consent of the people. Your definition of democratically elected is different than mine. We would likely disagree on the "democratic elections" of Ergrogen, Sisi and Maduro as well. But, if you want to argue Putin, Erdrogen, Sisi and Maduro being democratically elected this isn't the thread to do it. Please start a thread. It would be interesting to how many other people share your perspective.

The USA/Russia Cold War is an MIC construct to generate demand for Military Offense spending and since this Nation is about money, it works. The MSM supports this narrative because the MIC collectively spends huge amounts on advertising and having their agenda promoted. Should two powerful Military Nations talk. Of course they should. It would be absolutely assinine to think otherwise. Trump has the support of the MIC politically becaue he boosted their Military Offense budget by a huge amount ($87billion of $800 billion plus) while Russia has dropped their Military budget to about $49 billion total. Anyone that believes that Russia's paltry expenditures affected the USA election has bats in their bellfry. Keeerrissst, the organizers of all political parties would be standing in line to hire the Russians. That's capitalism. It's a wonderful thing they are talking, but the MIC fears they might get budget cuts, so expect an MSM surge villifying Russia and Putin like this OP.
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Who is suggesting that the US shouldn't talk with Russia? That was not suggested in the OP. It was not the question in the poll. You've gone off on a tangent and entirely missed the subject of the OP. It's absolutely asinine to defend a position that was not attacked - unless your purpose is to defend Russia and derail the thread.
 
Moderate Right said:
What I know is that you guys should really stop drinking from the liberal kool aid.
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Your response says nothing. If you disagree with the premise of the OP explain why. If you can't defend your position don't post here.
 
Waddy said:
Wasn't it Obama who told the Russians he could do more in his second term because he didn't have to worry about being re-elected? He talked to the Russians on many occasions. I'm glad to see Trump following in Obama's footsteps. Maybe a meeting could make some progress in ironing out the differences. They could promise to quit meddling in our elections and we could promise to stop meddling in their elections. That would be a nice start. Then we could apologize to all the other nations where we've been meddling in elections. Then maybe we wouldn't look like such hypocrites to the rest of the world.
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If false equivalencies was a drinking game, this post alone would make everybody blackout drunk.
 
No it would not be good. I was supportive of the Trump/Kim meeting because it was a new approach to an issue that has been stagnant for a long time. Our intelligence community is convinced that Russia made a large attempt to influence our last election, and a private meeting sounds more like a reward than a punishment. If people think Obama was weak on Crimea what does that make this? I understand Trump is convinced, primarily because of ego, that there wasn't any election meddling, but that just isn't a good enough reason to have this meeting.
 
Cardinal said:
If false equivalencies was a drinking game, this post alone would make everybody blackout drunk.
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They had to get Obama in the thread. For a group of people who fervently advocate draining the swamp it is astounding how often they attempt to justify Trump's actions by declaring, "Obama did it first."
 
Risky Thicket said:
Your response says nothing. If you disagree with the premise of the OP explain why. If you can't defend your position don't post here.
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Presidents meet in private with world leaders all the time. You're naive if you think every past president's meetings with world leaders in the past were all done in front of the camera for every single second. As usual, you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. What on Earth do you think Trump would be doing with Putin in private, getting peed on by prostitutes? Or, do you think Trump will be giving Putin the keys to the White House along with the alarm code? Get serious man.
 
Cardinal said:
If false equivalencies was a drinking game, this post alone would make everybody blackout drunk.
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You don't think the US meddling in dozens and dozens of foreign elections is equivalent? Crap, we even assassinated people. In Iran we tossed out a democratically elected reformer and put our puppet, the Shah, in power. How do the Cubans feel about all this? And we spent upwards of $500 billion to get Yeltsin in power. He's RUSSIAN, you know. But you're right; it isn't equivalent, we're WAY worse than any other country when it comes to meddling. Prove me wrong...........
 
Moderate Right said:
Presidents meet in private with world leaders all the time. You're naive if you think every past president's meetings with world leaders in the past were all done in front of the camera for every single second.
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Is your personal reading comprehension coach off today? Where did I say that? Show me.

As usual, you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. What on Earth do you think Trump would be doing with Putin in private, getting peed on by prostitutes? Or, do you think Trump will be giving Putin the keys to the White House along with the alarm code?
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Tell me why those things and worse will not happen. We have a president so enamored or compromised by Putin who, as late as yesterday, stated that against all US intelligence agencies, all investigating committees, both houses of Congress, both ruling political parties, intelligence agencies of most of our European allies that Russia did not meddle in US election! We have a president who defends Russia's annexation of Crimea. We have a president who doesn't understand and/or doesn't support NATO. We have a president who advocates Russia being re-admitted to the G-7. We have a president who attempted to encourage Macron to withdraw France from the EU. We have a president who promised concessions for North Korea without getting anything substantive regarding denuclearization from Kim. All that and more and you staunchly support Trump to meet in private with Putin? Explain to me why.
 
Waddy said:
You don't think the US meddling in dozens and dozens of foreign elections is equivalent? Crap, we even assassinated people. In Iran we tossed out a democratically elected reformer and put our puppet, the Shah, in power. How do the Cubans feel about all this? And we spent upwards of $500 billion to get Yeltsin in power. He's RUSSIAN, you know. But you're right; it isn't equivalent, we're WAY worse than any other country when it comes to meddling. Prove me wrong...........
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Standard Russian propaganda.
 
Risky Thicket said:


Question: Will it be good for America and the world for Donald Trump to meet with Vladimir Putin in a private one on one talk?
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Yes

Why?
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Sweet delicious liberal tears....IDK maybe they can find a way to get the asswholes we support in the Middle East to stop fighting each other.
 
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