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Do you have good friends who have political beliefs that are opposite of yours? [W:61]

Do you have good friends who have political beliefs that are opposite of yours?

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ObamacareFail said:
I agree with the exception of Ross Perot. He ran as an outsider, however he made his fortune selling services to big government and I always saw him as a bit paranoid. I got the feeling that he did not trust anything but his money. He was also naive enough to fall for a ruse the Clinton campaign set up claiming that republicans were planning to disrupt his daughter's wedding. At that point he dropped out of the race and ended up virtually throwing the race to Bill Clinton even though he later returned to the race.
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I first heard of Ross Perot in December of 1969. I was stationed in Vientiane Laos as Part of Project 404. Ross arrived in Vientiane around Christmas time with a 707 loaded with Christmas Presents for our POWs held in Hanoi. Ross chose Vientiane because it had both a North Vietnamese Embassy and an American Embassy. To make a long story short, Ross went to the North Vietnamese Embassy and tried to give the Christmas Presents to their Ambassador. Their Ambassador refused to see Perot and in the end, Ross had to leave Vientiane with all the Christmas presents he had arrived with. He tried.

As for 1992 and Ross Perot. Clinton beat Bush by 6 million votes, Perot received 19 million. To win Bush would have to receive 13 million votes out of Perot’s 19. That is 68% which is very unrealistic. Exit polls show Perot drew 25% of his 19 million votes from Republicans, 20% from Democrats and 55% from independents and first time voters.

So Perot drew 1 million more votes from Republicans than he did Democrats, but that still would have left Clinton with a 5 million vote victory instead of six. What is interesting is how independents voted in in 1992. 41% voted for Clinton, 28% for Bush and 30% for Perot. Without Perot, if independents who voted for Ross had voted along the same 41-28 margin, Bill Clinton would have won the Independent vote 59-41 over Bush. An 18 point margin instead of 13 as it was.
 
X Factor said:
I definitely do, in fact it’s true of most my friends but it isn’t always easy when you each have deeply held, yet opposing beliefs. Mostly we’ve come to an unspoken agreement to not talk politics. Anyway, I’m asking about friends and not family because, as they say, you choose your friends and I’m asking about competing beliefs, not just those that are different. Attaching poll.
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Some of my family has opposing political views, I think.

No friends I'm aware of, at least not generally. Some specifics we might disagree on.
 
Perotista said:
I first heard of Ross Perot in December of 1969. I was stationed in Vientiane Laos as Part of Project 404. Ross arrived in Vientiane around Christmas time with a 707 loaded with Christmas Presents for our POWs held in Hanoi. Ross chose Vientiane because it had both a North Vietnamese Embassy and an American Embassy. To make a long story short, Ross went to the North Vietnamese Embassy and tried to give the Christmas Presents to their Ambassador. Their Ambassador refused to see Perot and in the end, Ross had to leave Vientiane with all the Christmas presents he had arrived with. He tried.

As for 1992 and Ross Perot. Clinton beat Bush by 6 million votes, Perot received 19 million. To win Bush would have to receive 13 million votes out of Perot’s 19. That is 68% which is very unrealistic. Exit polls show Perot drew 25% of his 19 million votes from Republicans, 20% from Democrats and 55% from independents and first time voters.

So Perot drew 1 million more votes from Republicans than he did Democrats, but that still would have left Clinton with a 5 million vote victory instead of six. What is interesting is how independents voted in in 1992. 41% voted for Clinton, 28% for Bush and 30% for Perot. Without Perot, if independents who voted for Ross had voted along the same 41-28 margin, Bill Clinton would have won the Independent vote 59-41 over Bush. An 18 point margin instead of 13 as it was.
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I never take exit polls seriously after the 2000 race exit poll fiasco and neither do the network pundits on election nite who project the winners, until they actually have hard data and enough actual votes to back it up. To be l fair I do not give Perot 100% of the blame for GHWB,s loss. Coming off Desert Storm with approval ratings in the 80% level, he simply did not take his competition seriously until it was too late. I recall wondering if his camp was even going to open a headquarters in my region. In any case, Perot was and is a good man at heart, however the faults I mentioned made me not trust him as a politician. One thing that is common with many billionaires is that they become isolated and suspect even their frIends are just after their money. And I lost much respect for him when he fell for that ruse claiming a republican plot to disrupt his daughters wedding. In any case, I think we are getting off topic.

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Carleen said:
My husband and his best friend used to have heated, shouting matches on politics, but when it was over they were still friends.
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Well, I've had a few animated discussions on politics with family and friends but didn't let it get out of hand. We generally agree to disagree. Actually, in civil discussions like that I can learn something, and more than once it made me modify my position, and at the least I could understand why they felt that way. However, shouting at me never changes my mind. What scares me is people who are so darn sure they are always right they never question, or consider, what the other person is saying. You see that a lot on forums like this. They aren't listening, just waiting for their turn to talk. I hold opinions, but I'm never sure they are always right, and I sometimes question myself if I am thinking logically and fairly on that issue.
 
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