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Does Harvard University Discriminate against Asian Americans?

Does Harvard University Discriminate against Asian Americans?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 77.8%

  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other- I'll explain

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, but it appears that Harvard doesn't want non-Jewish whites

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • I don't have opinions about anything

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • This whole thread is racist, and I need 6 months therapy after reading this

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Total voters
    9
truthatallcost

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Students for Fair Admissions (SFFA) said Harvard preferred white, black and Hispanic applicants, some less qualified than Asian-American ones. Harvard consistently rated Asian-American applicants lower than others on traits like “positive personality,” likability, courage, kindness and being “widely respected,” according to an analysis of more than 160,000 student records filed Friday by a group representing Asian-American students in a lawsuit against the university.

Asian-Americans scored higher than applicants of any other racial or ethnic group on admissions measures like test scores, grades and extracurricular activities, according to the analysis commissioned by a group that opposes all race-based admissions criteria. But the students’ personal ratings significantly dragged down their chances of being admitted, the analysis found.

Harvard, one of the most sought-after and selective universities in the country, admitted only 4.6 percent of its applicants this year. That has led to intense interest in the university’s closely guarded admissions process. Harvard had fought furiously over the last few months to keep secret the documents that were unsealed Friday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-44505355

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/us/harvard-asian-enrollment-applicants.html
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The racial/ethnic breakdown of Harvard's student body is as follows:

White- 50% (25% Jewish)
Asian- 22%
African American- 15%
Latino- 12%

Interestingly, the only racial/ethnic group that appears to be grossly underrepresented at Harvard are non-Jewish whites. A simple look at the demographics of the USA, compared with Harvard's student body, illustrates who's really not wanted on campus;

White (non-Jewish) - 63%
White (Jewish) - 2%
Asian- 5.6%
African American- 12%
Latino- 17%
 
Harvard constructs their rainbow as they decide that they want to construct it and rainbows are all about genetics not merit.... they promote a demote members of genetic groups as needed to get to the desired rainbow.

More Asians are of merit than their rainbow can hold so they demote members of that group.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Harvard constructs their rainbow as they decide that they want to construct it and rainbows are all about genetics not merit.... they promote a demote members of genetic groups as needed to get the desired rainbow.

More Asians are of merit than their rainbow can hold so they demote members of that group.
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Their rainbow flag appears to be white and blue, with a six-pointed star in the center.
 
Asian-Americans scored higher than applicants of any other racial or ethnic group on admissions measures like test scores, grades and extracurricular activities, according to the analysis commissioned by a group that opposes all race-based admissions criteria. But the students’ personal ratings significantly dragged down their chances of being admitted, the analysis found.
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Probably it's because of Harvard's inherent racial bias toward Asian-Americans. Without the Affirmative Action policy to restrict their admissions, Harvard's student body would have the Asian majority. An internal investigation found that Harvard gave preference to white applicants who only outperformed Asian-American applicants on a subjective rating of a student's personality.

BOSTON (Reuters) - Harvard University killed an internal investigation in 2013 that found evidence the Ivy League school's admissions system is biased against Asian-American applicants, a nonprofit group suing the university alleged in a court filing on Friday.

The claim by Students for Fair Admissions Inc came in a brief that sought to have a federal judge in Boston rule in its favor without a trial in a closely watched lawsuit accusing Harvard of discriminating against Asian-Americans.

The group, headed by prominent anti-affirmative action activist Edward Blum, said evidence showed that Harvard had allowed race to become a dominant consideration in considering applicants rather than just a legally allowed "plus" factor.

"Incontrovertible evidence shows that Harvard's admissions policy has a disproportionately negative effect on Asian-Americans vis-à-vis similarly situated white applicants that cannot be explained on non-discriminatory grounds," the group said in its brief.

It said that in 2013, a Harvard research division found that over a decade Asian-American admission rates were lower than those for whites annually even though whites only outperformed Asian-American applicants on a subjective rating of a student's personality.
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truthatallcost said:
Their rainbow flag appears to be white and blue, with a six-pointed star in the center.
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Usually you are very easy to understand but you have lost me here. The rainbow that I am talking about is the rainbow of looks when one gazes upon the faces of the student body. The university has a Soviet style master plan on what the students need to look like, then they go get individuals to build that rainbow...this is what I am talking about.

What are you talking about?
 
truthatallcost said:
The racial/ethnic breakdown of Harvard's student body is as follows:

White- 50% (25% Jewish)
Asian- 22%
African American- 15%
Latino- 12%

Interestingly, the only racial/ethnic group that appears to be grossly underrepresented at Harvard are non-Jewish whites. A simple look at the demographics of the USA, compared with Harvard's student body, illustrates who's really not wanted on campus;

White (non-Jewish) - 63%
White (Jewish) - 2%
Asian- 5.6%
African American- 12%
Latino- 17%
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Looking at the sets of metrics you've presented, I'd surmise that Harvard discriminates for Asian Americans rather than against them. The thing is that it's not clear to me that Harvard is actively seeking to include more or fewer students of any particular ethnic background. What I know is that Harvard, like other schools, aims to create and maintain a certain community culture, and, for the most part, it's allowed to do so. After all, if there's no cultural difference between Harvard and a competing school, there'd be no reason to prefer one over the other.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Usually you are very easy to understand but you have lost me here. The rainbow that I am talking about is the rainbow of looks when one gazes upon the faces of the student body. The university has a Soviet style master plan on what the students need to look like, then they go get individuals to build that rainbow...this is what I am talking about.

What are you talking about?
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IMO he is talking about there being to many Jooos at Harvard.
 
Strange the only ethnicity the OP singled out is "Jewish"
 
washunut said:
IMO he is talking about there being to many Jooos at Harvard.
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It's fun to misspell key words in order to frame other people's ideas as ridiculous. That passes for sufficient refutation of an argument today, but things are beginning to change.
 
Xelor said:
Looking at the sets of metrics you've presented, I'd surmise that Harvard discriminates for Asian Americans rather than against them. The thing is that it's not clear to me that Harvard is actively seeking to include more or fewer students of any particular ethnic background. What I know is that Harvard, like other schools, aims to create and maintain a certain community culture, and, for the most part, it's allowed to do so. After all, if there's no cultural difference between Harvard and a competing school, there'd be no reason to prefer one over the other.
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From the NYT:

"Harvard, one of the most sought-after and selective universities in the country, admitted only 4.6 percent of its applicants this year. That has led to intense interest in the university’s closely guarded admissions process. Harvard had fought furiously over the last few months to keep secret the documents that were unsealed Friday".

Harvard wouldn't have legally fought requests for making their admissions process public if they had nothing to hide.
 
washunut said:
IMO he is talking about there being to many Jooos at Harvard.
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That is all he ever talks about. Our 2% of the population in the USA scares the hell out of him. We are having a meeting about it later.
 
truthatallcost said:
'Latino' is also an ethnicity. Strange the only ethnicity you spotted was 'Jewish'.
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Out of all the different ethnicity's in the US melting pot, it's damn strange that you picked one that constitutes only 1.4% of the US population.

But then again, it's so you.
 
Hari Seldon said:
That is all he ever talks about. Our 2% of the population in the USA scares the hell out of him. We are having a meeting about it later.
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No, the fact that 2% of the population used our legal system against us in order to insert themselves as the majority in Ivy League schools like Harvard has been very eye opening.

What's there to fear? The control is already in place. You fear anyone shining a light on that control.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Out of all the different ethnicity's in the US melting pot, it's damn strange that you picked one that constitutes only 1.4% of the US population.

But then again, it's so you.
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It's not appropriate to wonder out loud why 1.4% of the population is also 25% of Harvard's student body, and probably at least 51% of its faculty?

These are Soviet-styled tactics for keeping people quiet, and watch how 80-90% of DP members will have no concern about why Asians are now being targeted like non-Jewish whites once were for exclusion.
 
truthatallcost said:
No, the fact that 2% of the population used our legal system against us in order to insert themselves as the majority in Ivy League schools like Harvard has been very eye opening.

What's there to fear? The control is already in place. You fear anyone shining a light on that control.
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Against "us"? Who is "us"? Are not the 2% American Citizens? What's eye opening is your continued fascination with Jews. I was just in Nashville, I think we are underrepresented in that city. But that's just a guess. Toodles.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Against "us"? Who is "us"? Are not the 2% American Citizens? What's eye opening is your continued fascination with Jews. I was just in Nashville, I think we are underrepresented in that city. But that's just a guess. Toodles.
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Yes, they are American citizens, and for the sake of hiding amongst the majority, they'll even pretend that they consider themselves to be white.

Do you want to live in Nashville? I think we both know you don't.
 
truthatallcost said:
Yes, they are American citizens, and for the sake of hiding amongst the majority, they'll even pretend that they consider themselves to be white.

Do you want to live in Nashville? I think we both know you don't.
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You care to explain the bolded? Can you define "white" for those of us unfamiliar with your brand of bigotry? Hiding from what?

Nashville was nice, but a bit too hot for me. My wife is the country music fan.
 
Hari Seldon said:
That is all he ever talks about. Our 2% of the population in the USA scares the hell out of him. We are having a meeting about it later.
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Great, I have the secret handshake down pat.
 
Hari Seldon said:
You care to explain the bolded? Can you define "white" for those of us unfamiliar with your brand of bigotry? Hiding from what?
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We've gotten the B word out of the way, 15 points to whoever dumps the A word.

I do consider most Jews to be white. They are the ones who consider themselves to be something else, as evidenced by the pseudo-scientific movement which sought to declare Jews their own race. I'm sure you're aware of this.

Part of the motive behind declaring Jews a race lied behind the effectiveness of labeling people as 'racist' when they get too uppity. It's a much more effective weapon than the A-word.

So even though many Jewish people don't consider themselves white, they are happy to be lumped in with those who they see as inferior, for the sake of not drawing attention to the fact that they're overrepresented in places like Ivy League schools.

Nashville was nice, but a bit too hot for me. My wife is the country music fan.
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What about Florida? I can get you into a gated two story condo in Mar-a-Lago for 2 and a half. The tap water is kosher, and we keep the you-know-who out. Lol, jk. :lol:
 
truthatallcost said:
We've gotten the B word out of the way, 15 points to whoever dumps the A word.

I do consider most Jews to be white.
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Wow, that's mighty white of you. I seriously doubt most Jews care what you consider them to be. I sure don't.

truthatallcost said:
They are the ones who consider themselves to be something else, as evidenced by the pseudo-scientific movement which sought to declare Jews their own race. I'm sure you're aware of this.
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I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Is there some detail you can provide, like on the conspiracy thread?

truthatallcost said:
Part of the motive behind declaring Jews a race lied behind the effectiveness of labeling people as 'racist' when they get too uppity. It's a much more effective weapon than the A-word.

So even though many Jewish people don't consider themselves white, they are happy to be lumped in with those who they see as inferior, for the sake of not drawing attention to the fact that they're overrepresented in places like Ivy League schools.
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Don't forget the media and Hollywood. WAY over represented there. You have yet to define white or provide any evidence of your assertions. I guess they are then just opinions. Well I can see where they came from.

truthatallcost said:
What about Florida?
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We are over represented there. We decided at our last meeting to branch out more.
 
Admission should be on academic merit only. Whites benefit from "legacy" admissions, which should also be eliminated. If a college is truly interested in establishing a "culture", it should be a culture of the best and the brightest. That means a merit only system. If one group is under-represented then the correct approach is to get them better prepared, not penalize the students who are already well prepared for a rigorous academic program. Once an institution embarks on "inclusion" at all costs, the next step is making sure those under-achievers get a diploma, once again, at all costs. In the end the only way to do that is to dummy down the curriculum enough so everybody graduates in "appropriate" numbers. That's the current state of American education.
 
Waddy said:
Admission should be on academic merit only. Whites benefit from "legacy" admissions, which should also be eliminated. If a college is truly interested in establishing a "culture", it should be a culture of the best and the brightest. That means a merit only system. If one group is under-represented then the correct approach is to get them better prepared, not penalize the students who are already well prepared for a rigorous academic program. Once an institution embarks on "inclusion" at all costs, the next step is making sure those under-achievers get a diploma, once again, at all costs. In the end the only way to do that is to dummy down the curriculum enough so everybody graduates in "appropriate" numbers. That's the current state of American education.
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what is the best-a body of 4.0 nerds or a student body where lots of the kids are good at diverse things. top colleges want a diverse student body. Some of the diversity I experienced and appreciated didn't come from 4.0 Geeks. One of my suitemates didn't have awesome grades in HS-he did have almost perfect board scores. His grades weren't great because by the time he was 17, he had five wins over grandmasters in Chess.
 
TurtleDude said:
what is the best-a body of 4.0 nerds or a student body where lots of the kids are good at diverse things. top colleges want a diverse student body. Some of the diversity I experienced and appreciated didn't come from 4.0 Geeks. One of my suitemates didn't have awesome grades in HS-he did have almost perfect board scores. His grades weren't great because by the time he was 17, he had five wins over grandmasters in Chess.
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A system based on merit will give you a student body with lots of diverse skills. And you don't have to invest in subjective judgements to get there. Merit will give you diversity, just not a quota system. Your suitemate was indeed a nerd, and with perfect board scores he got to the university on merit. You just made my point. Thanks.
 
Waddy said:
A system based on merit will give you a student body with lots of diverse skills. And you don't have to invest in subjective judgements to get there. Merit will give you diversity, just not a quota system. Your suitemate was indeed a nerd, and with perfect board scores he got to the university on merit. You just made my point. Thanks.
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true and false-it depends how you judge merit
 
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