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Ripping Children from Parents

How do you feel about that?

  • F 'm; they're illegals

    Votes: 21 30.4%

  • F the USA; this policy is evil

    Votes: 42 60.9%

  • We take childrend from parents?

    Votes: 3 4.3%

  • Trump likes it; it's a good thing

    Votes: 3 4.3%
  • Total voters
    69
  • Poll closed .
Mason66 said:
How is your first point relevant to the situation here?

You can't overlook what the "parents" put those kids through getting them to the border.
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You put the onus on the parents as if they were saying, "Hey kids, vacation time! Time to walk hundreds and hundreds of miles across treacherous terrain and through unfriendly territory to an uncertain future!" Tell me, what would it take for you to make that kind of decision for your family? Don't take the easy way out and say "I wouldn't." Actually consider what kind of situation would cause you to consider that a desirable alternative to where you are now.
 
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Cardinal said:
You're almost there. Copy and past the snippets that say a US President is required to order the separation of parents from their children.
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Jesus H. Christ. It's page ****ing four of the Flores v. Lynch opinion. "Applying familiar principles of contract interpretation, we conclude that the Settlement unambiguously applies both to accompanied and unaccompanied minors." All you had to do was read a little bit of the evidence you asked me to provide. It's all right there, for your education. All I can do is provide you with the information; I can't force you to educate yourself.
 
Cardinal said:
Two points to that:

1)The families weren't fleeing from the lap of luxury.
2)To be fair, they also weren't aware that the place they were fleeing to for safety had become a psychotic regime as a result of the country's most xenophobic and hateful elements taking over the government. They may have been under the mistaken impression that we were still a people who meant well.
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State your sources for your stated points.

Interesting that you seem to support a decision the parents make to leave their country instead of trying to improve their country.
What skills are the "illegal" border crossers bringing to the US? Bet they are not engineers, doctors, etc.
Wouldn't most of the illegals need some sort of assistance to get established in the US that the tax payers are paying for.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Jesus H. Christ. It's page ****ing four of the Flores v. Lynch opinion. "Applying familiar principles of contract interpretation, we conclude that the Settlement unambiguously applies both to accompanied and unaccompanied minors." All you had to do was read a little bit of the evidence you asked me to provide. It's all right there, for your education. All I can do is provide you with the information; I can't force you to educate yourself.
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Your snippet doesn't say that a President is required to separate parents from their children. Lay it out for us in black and white...the whole thought.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Yawn. I see you have to flee from the reality that this is a Trump policy.

The law requires no such thing; Trump's policy does.
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You are wrong. And laughably so. Flores v. Reno, which I have cited and linked and quoted already, mandates this. Trump was not in office when the opinion was issued and, therefore, has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
Cardinal said:
Your snippet doesn't say that a President is required to separate parents from their children. Lay it out for us in black and white...the whole thought.
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I can only provide you the information. I can't make you read it. I told you once, you wouldn't believe me. I told you where to go, and you wouldn't believe me. I showed you some parts of it, and you still don't believe me. I see no reason to think you only need ONE MORE piece of evidence (which has already been provided). You have the link. You have the ability to read. I can't do anything more to make you understand.
 
calamity said:
So, now, under Trump, we rip children from parents a standard immigration policy.
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So every mother and father in jail right now should be released so they are not separated from their children. I don't agree.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
I can only provide you the information. I can't make you read it. I told you once, you wouldn't believe me. I told you where to go, and you wouldn't believe me. I showed you some parts of it, and you still don't believe me. I see no reason to think you only need ONE MORE piece of evidence (which has already been provided). You have the link. You have the ability to read. I can't do anything more to make you understand.
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In other words, you're full of ****.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
So every mother and father in jail right now should be released so they are not separated from their children. I don't agree.
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Of course not, we should build internment camps for these children.
 
calamity said:
So, now, under Trump, we rip children from parents a standard immigration policy.
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Eh! FYI children have been taken away from their parents for like...forever....parents (mostly American citizens) who violate a law and sent to prison will most likely lose their children. In some cases they will lose their children even if not charged or sent to jail. Are you concerned about those parents and their children or are liberals only worried about losing potential votes?

Now about illegal aliens who are separated from their children who knew the odd of that happening when they entered the country illegally. They are playing on bleeding heart liberals to their cause. If illegal aliens are worried about losing their children I would suggest they don't cross the border.
 
AlbqOwl said:
And there you have it.

This photo has often been used to accuse the Trump Administration. But it actually dates back to 2014 during the Obama Administration:

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Actually all this stems back to the Clinton Administration and a ruling--Flores vs Reno--that specified that children of illegal parents cannot be held in detention centers for more than 72 hours. It is the same principle that children cannot be jailed with parents who break other laws. Thus the law requires that the kids be farmed out to foster parents or sent to facilities that are not detention centers.

At first the Obama policy was to established large detention centers for parents and kids. But a federal judge ruled that this was in violation of Flores vs. Reno. So Obama issued an executive order to catch and release people with children, and the word got out fast. The coyotes and others quickly figured that all they needed to get into the USA was to have a kid in tow--didn't matter whether it was theirs or not--and they would be able to merge into U.S. society where history informed them that if they laid low for awhile, sooner or later they would be allowed to stay legally. So thousands of parents and supposed parents with children flooded into the country.

Why immigrant children are separated from parents at the U.S. border | Daily Mail Online

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ning-immigrant-children-u-s-border/650755002/

So now the Trump Administration, accurate describing the catch and release policy as a national security risk, is enforcing the law which is slowing down the flood but there are still several hundred kids that are now under federal protection until a determination is made whether the parents seeking asylum should get it or be sent home. I'm pretty sure a number of those sent home won't want to bother with their 'borrowed' kid when that happens.

From what I am hearing from the talking heads, there is legislation pending in Congress--I think the vote is scheduled in the coming week--that will:

1. Fund the wall
2. End the lottery system for immigration
3. End chain migration
4. Make it more difficult for employers to hire illegals
5. Make it legal for families to stay together while waiting for asylum status.

I haven't seen it discussed, but I am presuming there is some provision in there for the DACA kids too.

So we'll see if the'humane' Democrats are willing to put their vote where their mouth is.

And meanwhile, yes. If a parent entering the USA doesn't want to be separated from their children, don't bring them here illegally.
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All the catch and release policy concerning kids does is create the next generation of DACA whiners.

These kids are here through no fault of their own and they've never known any other country. It would be cruel and inhumane to send them back. And it certainly would be inhumane to separate them from the only parents they've ever known.
 
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rocket88 said:
Of course not, we should build internment camps for these children.
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I am fine with that. I commit a crime with my children the government will take them away from me. I am sorry but these illegals are not above the law. You commit a crime we should prosecute you. If you commit a crime involving children you should have those children taken away from you. At least until you serve your sentence and we can determine you will no longer continue to commit crimes with children.
 
Cardinal said:
Awesome possum. Copy and paste the snippet that says the US President is required to separate immigrant parents from their children.

I have a zero tolerance policy for blind-linking and snippets that don't appear by any right to say the thing you say it does.
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You can post that ad infinitum and it won’t change a damn thing

You cross border, we arrest you...and separate your kids

Don’t want it to happen....stay away from the damn border....or cross legally

Or get the laws passed, and the wall built....your choice

Ain’t life wonderful? Choices abound.....
 
calamity said:
So, now, under Trump, we rip children from parents a standard immigration policy.
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They should be evaluated by child protective services to see if the parents put them in danger, or neglected to feed and provide for them during the journey. If not they should be put up for adoption unless the parents want to leave and take them with them.

You don’t just show up on a country’s doorstep and expect to be let in, fed, clothed, educated, and paid just because you were born in the wrong place. We have 1.5 billion more who given transportation would be here too.

I guess they follow USA news and understand there are different legal systems for different people. Sorry kids, your parents missed out on Obama!
 
gdgyva said:
They aren’t complaining....

Are your kids

:lamo
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I'm not stupid. So, I don't bring my kids into debates about snatching other people's kids out of the hands of parents. But, since you did mention your kids...

I can say parents who raise their kids to be that callous suck.
 
chuckiechan said:
They should be evaluated by child protective services to see if the parents put them in danger, or neglected to feed and provide for them during the journey. If not they should be put up for adoption unless the parents want to leave and take them with them.

You don’t just show up on a country’s doorstep and expect to be let in, fed, clothed, educated, and paid just because you were born in the wrong place. We have 1.5 billion more who given transportation would be here too.

I guess they follow USA news and understand there are different legal systems for different people. Sorry kids, your parents missed out on Obama!
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Translation: We don't want any more brown people.
 
I voted = Trump likes it; it's a good thing

Trump is blaming Demorats for this policy, which I see is just another Trump lie; we should be used to that (Trump lies) tho' ...........
 
Cardinal said:
Awesome possum. Copy and paste the snippet that says the US President is required to separate immigrant parents from their children.

I have a zero tolerance policy for blind-linking and snippets that don't appear by any measure to say the thing you say it does.
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You appear to have zero tolerance for any opinion that differs from yours... Grow up.

From my source above. You could have easily found this passage IF you bothered to read the aforementioned, referenced article.

"That’s because of something called the Flores Consent Decree from 1997. It says that unaccompanied children can be held only 20 days. A ruling by the Ninth Circuit extended this 20-day limit to children who come as part of family units. So even if we want to hold a family unit together, we are forbidden from doing so."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/
 
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gdgyva said:
And we have embassies, and a thing called political asylum and so many other avenues for cases

But we can’t fix the woes of every country

Nor do I want to try....

We allow a number of people a year to immigrate into this country...from all over the world...

There are waiting lists for almost every country....why is your guy any better than the guy who has been on the list?

Sorry...but no...fix your own countries...and wait your turn...and we will get to you when we can
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Neither we nor other countries are required to fix the woes of every country, but we DO have legal requirements in the is are. Here's a brief tutorial: first, immigration is not asylum. Second, right to asylum comes from the goals set by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948, the Convention and Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees in 1951 and 1967, and was enshrined in US law by the Refugee Act of 1980. All this stuff came as a reaction to the failures of the WWII years to protect Jews and others.

There are no camps where Hondurans and others in the region can wait to be processed into the US or other countries, a process that can take 1-2 years. The embassy notion for these people is rather silly, think of the mess that happened with the Cubans that led to the Mariel boat lift. The mythical family I referred to and which is broken up presented themselves to US officials at the border per US law and were sent back or detained and separated. That violates all sorts of rules the US has agreed to, among them the Refugee Act. The US accepts thousands of refugees annually, through the long process referred to above, held in camps outside of their country, but it is aimed at certain nationalities and Trump did not name Hondurans for the reason stated above. I know he cut the total number in half, and I am not sure he has even gone through the process set up, which is to begin in the fall of each year, I believe. I may have some details wrong here, so you can go to the DOS website and check out how the the overseas process works. (Another lie by Trump was to say there is no vetting of these overseas refugees, when they are actually the most vetted of immigrants.)

Bottom line: there is no list nor line for Hondurans, this is an asylum process, not the refugee process, and Hondurans are within their rights under international and domestic law to do what they have done. ("anyone at a physical border or port of entry... Irrespective of status" can apply, as I think the statute says) Trump blamed the democrats for his actions, but he could change the policy easily, though I am not even sure a policy exists. He didn't get specific about what makes him act like a helpless Butterfly McQueen from Gone with the Wind in this case. To paraphrase our great leader, he alone could fix this. He might just do that if the pressure continues.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Maybe the parents should stop breaking our laws.
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Ah, so someone who tries entering the US deserves to have their children taken away.

Maybe we should set up some special showers and build a few crematoriums to really teach those law breakers a lesson. :roll:
 
trixare4kids said:
You appear to have zero tolerance for any opinion that differs from yours... Grow up.

From my source above. You could have easily found this passage IF you bothered to read the aforementioned, referenced article.

"That’s because of something called the Flores Consent Decree from 1997. It says that unaccompanied children can be held only 20 days. A ruling by the Ninth Circuit extended this 20-day limit to children who come as part of family units. So even if we want to hold a family unit together, we are forbidden from doing so."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/
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Uh...no. Even according to the snippet you posted it does not conclude that. Saying what the time limit is for detention is in no way equivalent to stating that they must be separated from their parents. If that's what grizzly was relying on for his information then he, like you, was completely in the wrong.

Seriously. Your entire winning strategy in this debate requires that I have literally no attention span. If, however, I'm able to get to the end of the second sentence while still remembering the content of the first sentence, your entire strategy falls apart.
 
calamity said:
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The cartoon editor of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette got fired for that cartoon. Its too funny cons call others "snow flakes". 5 deferment cadet bone spurs is a true scum bag.
 
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