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Thread: Report: Trump Insisted Crimea Is "Russian" Because Crimeans Speak Russian (G7)

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    Re: Report: Trump Insisted Crimea Is "Russian" Because Crimeans Speak Russian (G7)

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    Just to bring this up, I have seen multiple times in this thread the tatars as being the natives of crimea, they are not and never were, they came to that region during the ottomen empire, actual native groups in crimea were of various european nomads like the scythians, who had long ago merged in with invading populations.
    LOL, CT is recognized internationally as the natives , and your knowing of history is terrible
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    Re: Report: Trump Insisted Crimea Is "Russian" Because Crimeans Speak Russian (G7)

    Quote Originally Posted by Litwin View Post
    LOL, CT is recognized internationally as the natives , and your knowing of history is terrible
    So native means you were there long after other groups of people were there? does that make whites the natives of america?


    The tatars started around the 13th century, other ethnic groups had resided there going back more than a thousand years prior. They would technichally not be indegenous or native unless those terms were stretched to mean something it is not. Finding the actual native population of crimea would be a challenge, since the original inhabitants have not likely lived there in thousands of years as greece mongolia turkey and russia have all in the past forced populations out of the region.
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    Re: Report: Trump Insisted Crimea Is "Russian" Because Crimeans Speak Russian (G7)

    Quote Originally Posted by Litwin View Post
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    Re: Report: Trump Insisted Crimea Is "Russian" Because Crimeans Speak Russian (G7)

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    The tatars started around the 13th century, other ethnic groups had resided there going back more than a thousand years prior..
    Crimean Tatars and Turks would be far more indigenous to Crimea than Muscovy.


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    Re: Report: Trump Insisted Crimea Is "Russian" Because Crimeans Speak Russian (G7)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Crimean Tatars and Turks would be far more indigenous to Crimea than Muscovy.
    The slavs though had been in that region even longer, as have the greeks and the persions, fyi slavs are ancestors of most of eastern europe.

    I do not in any way support their removal, even if not native their existence in the region for centuries justifies their right to be there, I hold an issue with the loose rewriting of definitions to hold a people of that region as native even though they have not been in that region much longer than white people have in the americas.
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    Re: Report: Trump Insisted Crimea Is "Russian" Because Crimeans Speak Russian (G7)

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    The slavs though had been in that region even longer, as have the greeks and the persions, fyi slavs are ancestors of most of eastern europe.

    I do not in any way support their removal, even if not native their existence in the region for centuries justifies their right to be there, I hold an issue with the loose rewriting of definitions to hold a people of that region as native even though they have not been in that region much longer than white people have in the americas.
    The Crimean Tatars were exiled en mass by Russia previously (1944). Now they again suffer persecution under Russian occupation.


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    Re: Report: Trump Insisted Crimea Is "Russian" Because Crimeans Speak Russian (G7)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    The Crimean Tatars were exiled en mass by Russia previously (1944). Now they again suffer persecution under Russian occupation.
    You are correct they were exiled by stalin because some of them were supporting nazis, and let's face it stalin was not the best humanitarian, he tried to exile them to the middle east, in which a metric crapton died before they got there. His beef with them was nazi support, of course he did what any stalin would do and punish the entire ethnicity rather than punish traitors.
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    Re: Report: Trump Insisted Crimea Is "Russian" Because Crimeans Speak Russian (G7)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Crimean Tatars and Turks would be far more indigenous to Crimea than Muscovy.
    as well as Italians, Greeks, etc.
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