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Is it Racist for White Countries to Remain White?

Is it Racist for White Countries to Remain White?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 38.3%

  • No

    Votes: 37 61.7%
  • Total voters
    60
USViking said:
The 2-3% Aboriginal minority was geographically, socially and politically isolated, and may be dismissed for purposes of this discussion.
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Great, you go tell them that! The Aborigines lived in Australia before anyone else.
 
spud_meister said:
Yes, discrimination on the basis of race is racism.
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Doesn't that work both ways? Why is demanding that a predominately white citizen country become more (fill in the blank) not itself a racist policy?
 
phattonez said:
I asked this question in another thread and got what I found to be a very interesting answer.



So what do you think? Is it racist for a white country to remain white?
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Of course not.

It is racist to think another race than your own is somehow inferior and/or exhibit negative traits.
It is racist to think a race is superior to all others.
It is racist to think white people are automatically racist.
It is racist to think there is something wrong with being white and therefore some color must be mixed in.
 
Redress said:
Which US policies are racist?
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https://www.vox.com/conversations/2...oogle-racism-social-media-seth-everybody-lies

https://www.extension.harvard.edu/inside-extension/exposing-bias-race-racism-america

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ear-white-america-philosopher-confront-racism

"And in America, a country built from its foundations on white supremacy, where identity is forged in the crucible of a centuries-old “race question,” one of the easiest and most effective ways to “hack” those institutions is the use of racism in disinformation and propaganda campaigns."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...till-americas-biggest-security-threat/557591/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/reports/2018/02/21/447051/systematic-inequality/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

https://www.vera.org/blog/how-systemic-racism-keeps-millions-of-black-people-from-voting

"The court called this strategy what it is: racist. The panel wrote that “using race as a proxy for party may be an effective way to win an election. But intentionally targeting a particular race’s access to the franchise because its members vote for a particular party, in a predictable manner, constitutes discriminatory purpose."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...-behind-voter-id-laws/?utm_term=.83fd504d3072

https://www.thedailybeast.com/north...-voter-suppression-is-workingand-theyre-right

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/how-voter-id-laws-discriminate-study/517218/
 
late said:
https://www.vox.com/conversations/2...oogle-racism-social-media-seth-everybody-lies

https://www.extension.harvard.edu/inside-extension/exposing-bias-race-racism-america

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ear-white-america-philosopher-confront-racism

"And in America, a country built from its foundations on white supremacy, where identity is forged in the crucible of a centuries-old “race question,” one of the easiest and most effective ways to “hack” those institutions is the use of racism in disinformation and propaganda campaigns."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...till-americas-biggest-security-threat/557591/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/reports/2018/02/21/447051/systematic-inequality/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

https://www.vera.org/blog/how-systemic-racism-keeps-millions-of-black-people-from-voting

"The court called this strategy what it is: racist. The panel wrote that “using race as a proxy for party may be an effective way to win an election. But intentionally targeting a particular race’s access to the franchise because its members vote for a particular party, in a predictable manner, constitutes discriminatory purpose."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...-behind-voter-id-laws/?utm_term=.83fd504d3072

https://www.thedailybeast.com/north...-voter-suppression-is-workingand-theyre-right

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/how-voter-id-laws-discriminate-study/517218/
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So you do not know of any racist policies in the US. You could have just said that instead of spam linking things which are irrelevant to the question I asked.
 
Redress said:
So you do not know of any racist policies in the US. You could have just said that instead of spam linking things which are irrelevant to the question I asked.
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The interesting thing about racism, is that after you break through the denial, the shear amount of it is staggering.

The Drug War borrowed Jim Crow tactics, and Southerners loved it because they could use it to suppress Blacks. The Re-Authorisation of the VRA is several hundred pages long. Most of it is documenting racist attempts to suppress minority voting. Voter ID laws are racist as hell. There is a ton of sh*t like that. But since you can't let go of your denial, you will keep pretending it isn't there.
 
late said:
The interesting thing about racism, is that after you break through the denial, the shear amount of it is staggering.

The Drug War borrowed Jim Crow tactics, and Southerners loved it because they could use it to suppress Blacks. The Re-Authorisation of the VRA is several hundred pages long. Most of it is documenting racist attempts to suppress minority voting. Voter ID laws are racist as hell. There is a ton of sh*t like that. But since you can't let go of your denial, you will keep pretending it isn't there.
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Voter ID laws are an attempt to reduce the number of democratic voters. The goal is not racial. Also note there is a difference between "racial", having to do with race, and "racist", the belief in the superiority or inferiority of one race over another. So until you can link to US policy based upon the belief in white superiority, you have not actually answered my question.
 
Redress said:
Voter ID laws are an attempt to reduce the number of democratic voters. The goal is not racial. Also note there is a difference between "racial", having to do with race, and "racist", the belief in the superiority or inferiority of one race over another. So until you can link to US policy based upon the belief in white superiority, you have not actually answered my question.
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Well, I don't find myself often thinking, Redress is blatantly wrong on this one. But I guess, first time for everything.

It's a dense read, but here you go. https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1024&context=faculty_scholarship

You only need a single example right? Because Immigration was just the low hanging fruit, if we want to get into the Drug War, we could be here all day.
 
USViking said:
Sadly, social and political reality has been marginalizing to numerous original inhabitant people.
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Thats called conquering. This has always happened throughout human history, may not be good at all, but it happened.
 
The Mark said:
One of the issues I encounter when I think about immigration into the US is that on some level I'd like to welcome every needy person on the planet and help them.

But I know that's literally impossible, and would possibly cause significant harm to the USA if tried. Not in any sense of cultural destruction or any of that horse****, but simply because our infrastructure couldn't handle it.
Hell, our infrastructure can't handle the current residents in a bunch of locations.

So the only way to fix that is to work to improve the living standard worldwide.
But when you think about that, you encounter the issue of capitalism generally being opposed to it - if we do that there's no cheap labor to speak of, and then where do they go? Probably robots.

As usual when I think about this **** I end up touching on multiple topics, and getting a bit overwhelmed at the immense interconnectivity of it all.
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I believe in a neo exodus of the educated developed world to the developing world. In this way, we will finally own poverty, be a part of it and thereby become capable of solving it. It will reverse the braindrain. Nothing is solved by throwing money at it, and that includes poverty. I think we should start with the land, but to each their own.
 
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enderpotato00 said:
Thats called conquering. This has always happened throughout human history, may not be good at all, but it happened.
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Aboriginal resistance was so weak that the word "conquering" might be a overstatement, but if you like "conquering" so much then fine, you can have it.

My original statement was that up to the 1970s Australia was an example of a "White country", and that is true, accurate, and correct, considering the small numbers of the Aboriginals, and their geographical restriction to the least hospitable part of the continent, and their lack of impression on the rest of the Australian state and society.
 
USViking said:
Aboriginal resistance was so weak that the word "conquering" might be a overstatement, but if you like "conquering" so much then fine, you can have it.

My original statement was that up to the 1970s Australia was an example of a "White country", and that is true, accurate, and correct, considering the small numbers of the Aboriginals, and their geographical restriction to the least hospitable part of the continent, and their lack of impression on the rest of the Australian state and society.
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Ok. Gotcha.
 
Historically Caucasian countries should be able to stay Caucasian just like any other race. Not every country has to be diverse and if the government wants to keep the population homogeneous thats fine imo. Would people be up in arms if say Nigeria wanted to stay majority African? Every country has the right to do this. It would not be OK for a country to seek doing so by racial extermination though
 
Zyphlin said:
Except that's not the implication at all, because his comment applied to all races.

At BEST it'd be implying that any races existence is itself racism, and even that is idiotic to suggest.

What he's suggesting is the idea that a COUNTRY engaging in policy aimed specifically at promoting the inclusion or presence of one race over another, specifically on the basis of race, is discrimination. He implies nothing more beyond that, especially the nonsense you spewed out.
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No, as his answer to my question was a simple yes. I agree that it is an idiotic idea, but it is the logical conclusion of what he was arguing.
 
Fishking said:
You mean they just happen to remain white or they enact policies that purposefully keep the country white? If it's the former, no. If it's the latter, yes. I don't care about skin color. I only care about culture. I don't care if the entirety of the population of the U.S. turns Jamaican black so long as the western values of individualism, liberty, some form of capitalism, ect remains in place.
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Based on this, a zero immigration policy for a majority white country is racist.
 
Tres1B said:
Favoring certain people on the basis of one's race is racist. Denying a certain racial demographic from immigrating into your country would be racist, as it's a system that favors a certain race.

So, if it's a "White Country staying White" in the sense of intentionally preventing people who aren't white from living there, than yeah, it would be racist.

If it's a "White Country staying White" in the sense that it's just a nation that happens to have more white people than anyone else because it already did anyway, then it wouldn't be racist.
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So is zero immigration to a white country a racist idea? Is disadvantaging whites in the immigration process racist?
 
Risky Thicket said:
Ahhhh, here we go. I knew given enough time you were going there. It was inevitable. Tony's obsession with brown people and crime! Jesus. Actually not Jesus because he was most probably a swarthy brown person. He certainly didn't come from a "white country".

I have a way to solve your issues regarding non-white crime. I promise you it will help you sleep with the light off. It will work. It is called therapy. Stick with it and the world will become a better place for you. Or you can move to Iceland or maybe Belarus.

Oh, and just to put your mind at ease. I was in Iceland not long ago and there were a few brown people but none of them were breaking into houses and to my knowledge none of them were raping white women. But on the downside I didn't see meet any racists. You can't have everything, Tony.


Bon voyage.
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Therapy changes crime statistics? Fascinating.
 
spud_meister said:
Because it requires a judgement on the basis of an arbitrary value. In this thread, you're using your perception of race as a value on which to base homogeneity, as a stand in for cultural values, yet you could just as easily use native language, curliness of hair, or the ability to squat with feet flat on the ground. At the heart of it, you're judging the inherent value of individuals on the basis of race, an arbitrary value you assign, and that's the core definition of racism.
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So a man who is naturally attracted to his own race and has babies is racist?

If this is the definition of racism, then why should I care? What's problematic about that?
 
phattonez said:
I just wanted to quote the entire post. No, obviously Japan is not a white country. We both know that. So quit playing semantics and give a straight answer.

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True because they are not albino
 
Parrish said:
I'd rather you responded to my previous question which was what are white countries? My guess is that you're too cowardly to do so.
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No, I just don't want to play your silly semantics game.
 
instagramsci said:
He labels himself as a traditionalist bc it doesn't have the same stink as fascist
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There's a world of difference between fascism and traditionalism. Fascists don't go for monarchy, don't view aristocracy favorably, and see no problems getting involved with the religious sphere.
 
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