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The Singapore Summit Was:

The Singapore Summit Was:


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Curious how everyone feels about it.
 
A step in the right direction, but let's wait and see what comes of it before calling it a "huge success".
 
Too soon to tell. We wont know what will happen for years. Personally I doubt any progress has been made because NK would be stupid to get rid of their nukes.
 
Curious how everyone feels about it.

I think that mostly it's foggy. Un agreed to "eaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula" but we have no time lines, there's nothing set up for inspections, etc. Trump guaranteed some "security", whatever that is. Apparently we're halting military exercises in the vicinity. But everyone wanted to hear that Un was going to get rid of his nuclear weapons and capabilities. It sounds like that's what he said, but there's nothing solid behind it. So at this point, we're all just left hoping that Un sticks to his word.

I suppose it could have gone much worse, it does seem positive, but we're going to have to wait and see if anything actually comes of it.
 
We've given them great photo ops and legitimacy in the world. We've given up military drills with a close ally. We've discussed getting rid of troops in the area.

In return we have gotten a vague promise that NK would like to denuclearize the peninsula in the future.

It could have been worse, but for what we gave up we should have had much more specifics as to what exactly we are getting from NK in exchange. Anyone that had a problem with the Iran deal is an idiot if they think this is some kind of amazing negotiation.
 
Curious how everyone feels about it.

I think Trump accomplished exactly what he set out to do in this first meeting...it was a "get to know you" meeting.
 
We've given them great photo ops and legitimacy in the world. We've given up military drills with a close ally. We've discussed getting rid of troops in the area.

In return we have gotten a vague promise that NK would like to denuclearize the peninsula in the future.

It could have been worse, but for what we gave up we should have had much more specifics as to what exactly we are getting from NK in exchange. Anyone that had a problem with the Iran deal is an idiot if they think this is some kind of amazing negotiation.

You can bet that we and SK discussed giving up military drills before Trump agreed to this. We didn't just offer this up without the support of SK. Moon is very much into all of this. In fact, he made his campaign all about working with the North.
 
Curious how everyone feels about it.

I don't think it was a disaster, but I also don't have any faith that anything will come of it. Just vague promises and photo ops for a dictator.......and the NK leader. It's amazing how many people have forgotten how often NK has lied in the past.
 
A beginning. Potential. No one really knows how it will turn out. But it is a possibility.
 
I voted = Another Trump Disaster. Trump is a clown.

Trump stated that he has a very good relationship with Kim & they know each other very well.

If anyone just meets someone how the **** does that (1) signify a very good relationship, or (2) how can someone know another very well in less than a day?

Trump is so full of **** it smells like the ****ing sewer treatment plant ........
 
Curious how everyone feels about it.

It was likely just another 'handshake summit', done for the adulation and attention, as there has been very little to indicate that anything could come from this.

The hard work over years that it takes to get things of real substance achieved simply isn't there.
 
You can bet that we and SK discussed giving up military drills before Trump agreed to this. We didn't just offer this up without the support of SK. Moon is very much into all of this. In fact, he made his campaign all about working with the North.

Our own military leaders didn't know about it til Trump announced it. It's not even on the signed agreement. They are still trying to figure out exactly what the president means when he said it. He might have just said it spur of the moment for all we know. I understand that you think it's fake news or you think there's some grand plan that Trump is following, but everything to date appears to demonstrate that he is flying by the seat of his pants for this entire affair.
 
When dealing with North Korea, I will believe it when I see it.
 
Just about all of us should be voting “Let's wait and see what comes of it. I'm crossing my fingers.”

It was unrealistic to assume massive success from an initial meeting, but it is a reasonable step given relations to date.
 
When dealing with North Korea, I will believe it when I see it.

Exactly.
An accord with NK that includes them getting rid of their nukes and having international inspectors to make sure that they really did would be a great thing. It would be a major accomplishment for Trump, who would deserve accolades.

Finding a cure for cancer would be a wonderful thing as well. When it happens, whoever accomplishes it will be a hero.

But, until that actually happens, let's just wait and see.
 
I think Trump accomplished exactly what he set out to do in this first meeting...it was a "get to know you" meeting.
This is fair. Though we gave-up a pretty lot to Kim to get it. But both leaders got their PR to brag about at home, so they're happy.
 
I don't think it was a disaster, but I also don't have any faith that anything will come of it. Just vague promises and photo ops for a dictator.......and the NK leader. It's amazing how many people have forgotten how often NK has lied in the past.
Exactly. Whatever may come of it, the nukes are here to stay. Trump will be lucky to get a deal as good as Iran when it's over (but I doubt it), and it will cost us dearly.
 
It was likely just another 'handshake summit', done for the adulation and attention, as there has been very little to indicate that anything could come from this.

The hard work over years that it takes to get things of real substance achieved simply isn't there.
Yep. They went with the PR first, before putting in the hard work that leads to the PR event. In that aspect, it was very Trumpian.
 
Curious how everyone feels about it.

A GOP strategist said it best. If President Obama had done what Trump just did the Republican party would be calling for his impeachment. Trump didn't even include the South Koreans in the talks. This is something that they should have been negotiating, not us.

Trump just spent the last few days attacking our allies who have stood by us for decades pushing for the causes of freedom, then turned around the very next day and says he'll trust a brutal dictator and take him at his word. He called off military exercises with our ally South Korea without even consulting South Korea.

Trump is getting played like a ****ing fiddle by North Korea because all he cares about is winning a Nobel Peace Prize that he will never get and doesn't deserve.
 
Just about all of us should be voting “Let's wait and see what comes of it. I'm crossing my fingers.”

It was unrealistic to assume massive success from an initial meeting, but it is a reasonable step given relations to date.
Meh. Debatable. We elevated Kim to the status of legitimate world leader, without extracting anything from him. Those American & NK flags entertwined on the stage were pretty disgusting, in my opinion. We also gave Kim the security of no longer fearing military action at this time. Kim got things of substance. Trump got PR, and a promise that means absolutely nothing.
 
Yep. They went with the PR first, before putting in the hard work that leads to the PR event. In that aspect, it was very Trumpian.

All Trump appears to have got is an assurance of denuclearization; one with no timeline for when that will happen, whether the process will be open to international inspectors, what denuclearizaton even means in this case, etc....

Kim got Trump to promise to suspend the joint U.S. military exercises with South Korea, which Trump described in the exact same way that the NKs have: they're “very provocative”. Kim also got something his dad and grandfather never did: a one-on-one meeting with a POTUS, PR materials that he can use for decades and a BIG kick up in international status.

Donald Trump: sucker.
 
I couldn't vote.

It's like a cancer, trivial at the moment, but with the fullness of time has a real chance to make a real hash of things.
 
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