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    Re: The Singapore Summit Was:

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Much like Obama's Iran deal, I'm taking a wait and see approach, that time will tell. What I'm seeing for the most part is pretty much identical to the Iran deal. On the Iran deal it was Republicans or anti-Obama folks telling us what a disaster it was and the Democrats, pro Obama folks tell us it was the best thing since sex and peanut butter. For the North Korea deal, you have the same thing, only switch parties and switch pro and anti Obama with Pro and anti Trump.

    These types of deals in my opinion can't be weighed or judged good or bad until sufficient time has passed. Some times it could take years before we know good or bad. Since I'm not all that partisan, I don't like either major party and I detested both Trump and Clinton, neither one belonged within a million miles of the oval office. I figure I can take a wait and see approach before jumping off the cliff on one side or the other. Time will tell, not some partisan rhetoric from both sides a day after the meeting.
    The same Iran deal that Trump and his supporters told us was the worst deal in the history of bad deals? Yes, that's what most people are seeing as well. The major glaring difference is that the Iran deal didn't come with mountains of praise and compliments affixed to the leader of the evil Iranian regime. And I don't recall Obama fantasizing about all of the condos he could build on the Gulf shores.
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    Re: The Singapore Summit Was:

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    China has decided that sanctions are no longer appropriate for N. Korea given it's new status as a nuclear power with Trumps blessings.
    Evidence? I wish when posters make certain claims they would provide a link. Is China cheating, probably but overall most sanctions are still in place.

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    Re: The Singapore Summit Was:

    Quote Originally Posted by antiquity View Post
    Evidence? I wish when posters make certain claims they would provide a link. Is China cheating, probably but overall most sanctions are still in place.

    https://www.marketplace.org/2016/04/...ns-north-korea
    Trump has declared the NK nuclear threat to be over. Why would China keep sanctions on Trumps "smart good leader who loves his people" now? That would make no sense.

    BEIJING: As US President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un held their historic summit in Singapore on Tuesday, a wary China made out a case for lifting of UN sanctions against Pyongyang and highlighted its central role in working out a new peace mechanism for the Korean Peninsula.
    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/64562048.cms
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    Re: The Singapore Summit Was:

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The same Iran deal that Trump and his supporters told us was the worst deal in the history of bad deals? Yes, that's what most people are seeing as well. The major glaring difference is that the Iran deal didn't come with mountains of praise and compliments affixed to the leader of the evil Iranian regime. And I don't recall Obama fantasizing about all of the condos he could build on the Gulf shores.
    Mostly true and for good reasons, but I believe 150 billion payoff to Iran had something to do with replacing praising Iran. They got what they wanted didn't they?

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    Re: The Singapore Summit Was:

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Trump has declared the NK nuclear threat to be over. Why would China keep sanctions on Trumps "smart good leader who loves his people" now?
    If some kind of denuclearize was to happen in exchange for lifting of sanctions I would assume China and the rest of the world would follow suit. Placing praise on Kim is all part of the process and probably keeps Kim interested in complying.

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    Re: The Singapore Summit Was:

    Quote Originally Posted by antiquity View Post
    Mostly true and for good reasons, but I believe 150 billion payoff to Iran had something to do with replacing praising Iran. They got what they wanted didn't they?
    The 150 billion dollars that belonged to Iran that was returned to them? That 150 billion dollars?
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    Re: The Singapore Summit Was:

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Much like Obama's Iran deal, I'm taking a wait and see approach, that time will tell. What I'm seeing for the most part is pretty much identical to the Iran deal. On the Iran deal it was Republicans or anti-Obama folks telling us what a disaster it was and the Democrats, pro Obama folks tell us it was the best thing since sex and peanut butter. For the North Korea deal, you have the same thing, only switch parties and switch pro and anti Obama with Pro and anti Trump.

    These types of deals in my opinion can't be weighed or judged good or bad until sufficient time has passed. Some times it could take years before we know good or bad. Since I'm not all that partisan, I don't like either major party and I detested both Trump and Clinton, neither one belonged within a million miles of the oval office. I figure I can take a wait and see approach before jumping off the cliff on one side or the other. Time will tell, not some partisan rhetoric from both sides a day after the meeting.
    I take a wait and see approach with this NK thing. So far things look like they are on a good track but could very well be an Obama Iran type deal in the end or a deal just like we have made with NK many times over already.

    I will criticize the Obama deal and did right from the getgo. It was a totally stupid deal and it was obviously stupid before it was even signed. The world had Iran by the balls and we were squeezing them tightly. We should have just stayed the course until Iran had no balls left and got a better deal. One that addressed their behavior, one that addressed inspections at military sites, one that addressed their ballistic missile program, and one that did not have a sunset clause. I was so pissed at Obama for trying to say that we only had two choices, war or the deal we got. There was that third choice that they absolutely refused to address - just stay the course and get a better deal on down the road.

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    Re: The Singapore Summit Was:

    Quote Originally Posted by antiquity View Post
    If some kind of denuclearize was to happen in exchange for lifting of sanctions I would assume China and the rest of the world would follow suit. Placing praise on Kim is all part of the process and probably keeps Kim interested in complying.
    Kim has already "complied" and that is that. You really need to listen to the Dear Leader more clearly. This was never about dismantling their nukes because it is not going to happen. Trump has made them far too valuable to Kim to ever think of giving them up. China is already calling for the lifting of UN sanctions and has been relaxing theirs already. Here is your Dear Leaders tweet now get back to work.

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    Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!
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    Re: The Singapore Summit Was:

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    I take a wait and see approach with this NK thing. So far things look like they are on a good track but could very well be an Obama Iran type deal in the end or a deal just like we have made with NK many times over already.

    I will criticize the Obama deal and did right from the getgo. It was a totally stupid deal and it was obviously stupid before it was even signed. The world had Iran by the balls and we were squeezing them tightly. We should have just stayed the course until Iran had no balls left and got a better deal. One that addressed their behavior, one that addressed inspections at military sites, one that addressed their ballistic missile program, and one that did not have a sunset clause. I was so pissed at Obama for trying to say that we only had two choices, war or the deal we got. There was that third choice that they absolutely refused to address - just stay the course and get a better deal on down the road.
    @realDonaldTrump
    Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!

    Your Dear Leader has spoken. There is no longer a threat from NK. The deal is done. China's sanctions are coming off and they are asking the UN to do the same. Our biggest enemy is the Free Press now.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/12/chin...im-summit.html

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    Re: The Singapore Summit Was:

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The same Iran deal that Trump and his supporters told us was the worst deal in the history of bad deals? Yes, that's what most people are seeing as well. The major glaring difference is that the Iran deal didn't come with mountains of praise and compliments affixed to the leader of the evil Iranian regime. And I don't recall Obama fantasizing about all of the condos he could build on the Gulf shores.
    History will be the judge on most of this stuff, deals. Although History probably hadn't enough time to appraise the Iran deal before Trump ended it. But that Obama's own fault by not following constitutional procedures. I doubt if Obama ever dreamed a Republican would be elected president to follow him. Besides, Iran received around 190 billion or so from us just to sign the deal. I really don't know what we got in return, but that is irrelevant at this point as it is no more.

    North Korea, I think it is basically an agreement to keep talking. Promises made if such and such go goes the way both sides expect. If not, it was a great photo op for both. The one thing I want to see is once a final deal is made, that it goes the constitutional route for approval by the senate. Let them hash it out or argue it out.

    Obama said we could trust the Iranian's and Trump says we can trust North Korea, I think both were/are wrong. We need Reagan's "Trust but verify." So far neither deal to my understanding has that.
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