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Selfish Health Care Question To Those In The US

For Your Situation in the US, would you want single payer?

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tecoyah said:
Due to my MS I would prefer a universal healthcare system and if that means national so be it. One way or another the Pharma industry needs to be brought under some kind of cost control. My medication is $7400 here per month.
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That's a travesty. That's why we have to have a single-payer plan, but we also need to restructure Big Pharma and break the hold it has on patients. The US taxpayer foots the bill for over HALF of all drug research, so, in my opinion, when the drugs are developed, the citizens should own half of the profits. That will never happen, of course, but we need to open up our drug trade to many other nations to create competition and bring down those astronomically high prices.
 
I just got a notice in the mail. My Health Insurance premium is going up $400 next year.. To $950 a month.. In all my life I never had that kind of increase. Not before ACA, not during ACA, not in the year after Obama. Now in the 1st full year of Trump, a $400 INCREASE!!!!

Thank you Trumpcare.

And I hope every Republican dies a long, slow painful death..

That is all.

And BTW I have no previous conditions, I'm pretty healthy. Only go to the docs twice a year or so for check-ups and bloodwork. Yet I'm getting hammered. And I live in NY, a State that actually helps people get HI. I can't imagine what's going to happen in the backward, a'hole Red States. Too bad, good for them, keep voting GOP.
 
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ataraxia said:
Again, you are missing something important, and it seems to be due to nearsightedness. Let me see if I can get some glasses on for you.

When that person with "no or crappy insurance" has no coverage, they end up in the ER at 3 am with a heart attack or in kidney failure. If they end up getting a bypass or kidney dialysis or something, it's going to cost a lot of money. So either they don't pay because they can't, or the hospital ends up picking up the tab. So then they pass the cost on to the insurances, namely yours.

So you DO end up paying more in the end. It would have cost less for that person to be on a $10/month blood pressure medicine than to end up the ER needing a bypass.

All this is not to mention the heartless inhumanity of it. Not everyone who hits hard times or doesn't have insurance is stupid and lazy and deserves to be left to die along with their whole family. But I know conservatives don't like such arguments because they say it's only appeals to emotions, and that turns them off. So I won't go there.

But you do know that the US ranks dead last in most measures of public health among developed economies in the world? This effects economic productivity and the welfare of the nation.

Individual self interests and public self interest are not as separate and distinct as you seem to think. It just requires being able to see a little beyond the tip of your nose.
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I don't care about that person. All I care about is myself and that is what this thread is all about. Single payer will screw me over, worse than Obamacare screwed me over.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Who ever knew that healthcare was so complicated?
That was a Donald quote:

https://www.reuters.com/video/2017/02/27/nobody-knew-healthcare-could-be-so-compl?videoId=371200584

To which Bernie replied:
"Yes, Mister President, some of us who have stayed up nights studying this issue for decades, some of us HAD A CLUE!"

You see, Donald Trump is such a narcissist that, if he doesn't know something, NOBODY KNOWS IT.
Far as he's concerned, it was unknowable, because no one knows as much as he does, ABOUT ANYTHING.
He knows more than the generals, he knows more than the doctors, he knows more than the State Department, he's the smartest man on Earth!!

And some of us do not agree.
Far as he's concerned, we're FAKE NEWS, or "the enemy of the American people."

This is the nightmare, the Hell that is life in America under "the smartest man on Earth".
Someone should give him a backpack while he's up in an airplane, and see what happens, like that famous old joke.
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Methinks you got up on your soapbox. I hope you realize I was having a little fun at the expense of Trump when I said, "Who knew healthcare could be so complicated"? That wasn't an accident or a coincidence.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You think sick people can go to an ER and get treatment.
Sorry but you couldn't be more mistaken.
Try being an indigent person who is diabetic and try walking into an ER hoping to get your insulin for the next two months.
Good luck with that. You'll get stabilized and sent out the door, period....and you will get sicker and sicker and more diabetic till your kidneys fail or you have a heart attack.
You will NOT be able to get your diabetes under control.
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Sick people go to the ER to get treatment all the time. It accounts for a lot of the wait times in the ER when every poor person goes there with a cold.
 
In the eighties when the media labeled Reagan and the decade of the 80's the generation of the me dcade I thought it was a little unfair. But as i read through this thread that's what the Republican party has become... it's all about me me me me me.
 
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Bullseye said:
I'm ok with "gutting" inefficient and ineffective features of ACA. The public option, e.g. a healthcare system run to compete with private industry is a wet dream waiting to happen; what's the likelihood Congress who let it fail if it couldn't honestly compete? Hint: zero.
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Why is it a wet dream? Public schools compete with elite private schools in the educational system. Why wouldn’t healthcare be different?
 
Moderate Right said:
I don't care about that person. All I care about is myself and that is what this thread is all about. Single payer will screw me over, worse than Obamacare screwed me over.
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And again, I find it interesting you still cannot see it. What happens to the person that you don’t care about, will affect you. Profoundly. Sticking your head in the sand and thinking that what happens to them or to you have no effect on each other is extremely shortsighted. Blind, in fact.
 
I pay about $25 a month for health insurance through my employer, I have a $500 deductible for major medical and have a wide network of providers. I very much like it, it's great insurance for an extremely low price.
 
digsbe said:
I pay about $25 a month for health insurance through my employer, I have a $500 deductible for major medical and have a wide network of providers. I very much like it, it's great insurance for an extremely low price.
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So it is almost free to you...who pays the freight, the taxpayers?

Because this sounds like a government plan...
 
digsbe said:
I pay about $25 a month for health insurance through my employer, I have a $500 deductible for major medical and have a wide network of providers. I very much like it, it's great insurance for an extremely low price.
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I wish my employer offered some form of coverage, although I probably couldn't afford it if they did.
 
ataraxia said:
And again, I find it interesting you still cannot see it. What happens to the person that you don’t care about, will affect you. Profoundly. Sticking your head in the sand and thinking that what happens to them or to you have no effect on each other is extremely shortsighted. Blind, in fact.
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What you don't understand is that what you are talking about is already baked in to what I am talking about and I am better off than if we were to get single payer. I have pre-existing conditions and I have seen what people in other countries go through and I want no part of it. Zero, zip, notta. If you are trying to sell me some fairy tale that if we implement single payer here I will be even better off than the better off than I am now .................. Oh never mind. I have to go out now and get a gift card to send off to the IRS to stop them from putting me in jail. They told me the Sheriff is on his way now.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
So it is almost free to you...who pays the freight, the taxpayers?

Because this sounds like a government plan...
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Nope, 100% private. My employer pays a major chunk of the premium and we get credits for health metrics (I meet all of them) as well.
 
X Factor said:
It’s easier to be liberal, until you run out of every one else’s money.
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At a time when the economy is doing very good. And the Republicans have the White House and the Congress we're e running a debt that is higher than ever before. So why are you blaming the Liberals?
 
X Factor said:
It’s easier to be liberal, until you run out of every one else’s money.
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It's easy to be a conservative, until you realize your so-called smartness, hard work, and good looks aren't always enough and you are the one left in a position of weakness and vulnerability.

 
X Factor said:
It’s easier to be liberal, until you run out of every one else’s money.
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I prefer to blame the national socialist right wing, for that. Let's end our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror; the right wing refuses to pay wartime tax rates for them, anyway.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
At a time when the economy is doing very good. And the Republicans have the White House and the Congress we're e running a debt that is higher than ever before. So why are you blaming the Liberals?
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Not to mention cutting taxes to the tune of trillions at the same time the right wanted us to get into all kinds of military adventurism in Iraq and the middle east at large (which itself cost trillions).

Dangerous deregulation and under-regulation of the financial sector also cost trillions (which was, to be fair, bipartisan, but predominantly Republican/rightward in nature).

There's always plenty of money to pay for war, tax cuts that primarily favour the wealthiest Americans, and corporate subsidies and giveaways, but never a dime to be had for national healthcare and post-secondary education.
 
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trixare4kids said:
It's financed by taxes, therefore it meets the definition of socialized medicine.
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No it does NOT. Socialized means that the government builds it and operates it.
When you set foot on the grounds of your hospital, are you on government property?
Is your doctor a government employee?

Sorry but you aren't Humpty Dumpty and you don't get to make any word mean what you WANT it to mean. GROW UP.
Socialized medicine is an entirely different set of economics.
 
trixare4kids said:
What a bunch of contrived nonsense.
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Contrived nonsense is pretending that single payer is the same thing as socialized medicine.
But if you wish to embarrass yourself here on this forum, I am happy to keep making that happen for you.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
No it does NOT. Socialized means that the government builds it and operates it.
When you set foot on the grounds of your hospital, are you on government property?
Is your doctor a government employee?

Sorry but you aren't Humpty Dumpty and you don't get to make any word mean what you WANT it to mean. GROW UP.
Socialized medicine is an entirely different set of economics.
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What is with all you angry people on this forum?
Can you not make a rational point without personally attacking someone?

You're another who I will ignore.
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Bullseye said:
A while back there was a proposal to create a single payer system here in California. The end result was that the projected cause almost equaled the current state budget. Back to the drawing border. :)
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California's annual state budget of 180 billion would swell to almost 330 billion dollars.
Yes, that's true!
Now consider the fact that California's GDP in 2017 was almost THREE TRILLION DOLLARS, and it is now the fifth largest economy on EARTH.
So what's your problem?

Now consider how much personal out of pocket costs would be REDUCED by people not having medical bills, or insurance bills.
The plan could save Californians $37.5 billion annually in health care spending — even after adding the state’s nearly 3 million uninsured.

Sorry Bullseye, you aimed and missed.
Californians are already spending WAY more than that on buying their OWN free market health insurance, and prices are expected to DOUBLE next year and TWICE as MANY PEOPLE will wind up UNINSURED, with many of them being declared UNINSURABLE at ANY price.

How would you like to be uninsurable at any price?
Let's hope you never have to face that situation.
 
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