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Should Russia be allowed to join the G7 again? As the US and Italy want?

Should Russia be allowed to join the G7 again? As the US and Italy want?

  • Russia should not be allowed back, maybe never

    Votes: 31 50.8%

  • Russia should not be allowed back, for some time

    Votes: 15 24.6%

  • Russia should not be allowed back, but they should be allowed back soon

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Russia should never have been kept away from the G7

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Russia should be allowed back right now

    Votes: 9 14.8%

  • G7 what the hell is a G7

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I could care less

    Votes: 2 3.3%

  • Other, ….................. (please explain)

    Votes: 3 4.9%
  • Total voters
    61
Manc Skipper said:
Did Russia give back Crimea, or compensate the relatives of the 298 people killed in the plane they shot down over Ukraine?
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not at all, Putler works hard in order to end up one day in the Hague ...have you seen putlers interview to Austrian ORF? he was ruined by Austrian journalists, no one is scared in EU by Ozero´s thugs anymore
 
Peter King said:
Well, it is not strange why Trump would want Russia back but as the new Italian government is also big buds with the Vladinator, it is also not strange that they want them back.

But does Russia deserve it? It certainly interfered with the US election, most likely interfered in the Brexit vote, it supplied the weaponry that downed MH17 and it is a semi-democracy ruled by the new Czar of Russia. And then I am not even talking about his illegal occupation of parts of Ukraine and has been nothing but a terrible player in the worldwide political playing field.

IMHO they do not deserve back to the G8, how about you?

Should they be allowed back as Trump and Italy want? If they should be allowed back, then when? Should they ever?
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Never while Putin the criminal is in charge. But, I believe we can let Donald join the Russians.
 
Helix said:
that's an objective, for sure.
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Clearly if one party actually was for the people wouldn't they be backed by a clear majority. The parties control is usually almost always just a small margin. The pendulum never swings far from the middle before the rich and powerful use their media to swing it back the other way. They don't care which party is in charge because they own both. The key is for the people to never get united behind one party and take control of our government.
 
Peter King said:
That is because as a whole the Republicans now that Putin is a crook and interfered in the election but sadly more and more Trumpists are trying to oust Republicans who are not fully drinking the Trump-Kook-aid so in the next session of congress there may be a large increase of Trumpist Republicans who will be a lot less inclined to work against Putin. And if Trump gets re-elected the US could become a satellite state of Russia when it comes to how friendly they are towards Putin.
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+1. you make here many great points, but still why Trump is risking everything and trying to help Putler´s out of this situation ? the Congress are not bunch of the idiots, everyone understands that something is very fishy going on between these two individuals
 
Chomsky said:
Putin interfered with our election, kills people in our country and our ally countries, and invades neighboring countries.

No, he should not be allowed in, at this time.

And the Italians took Germany's side in the last war, embracing Il Duce's fascism. They get it wrong, all the time.
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Newly elected right of center party is now the Govt. They plan to implement many polices that Hungary is that are anti immigrant and other areas of concern fro the EU as a whole.
You may eventually see the Euro shatter as the fiscal giant Germany, then France want smaller deficits.Before the Euro came into effect a country could devalue their currency, look to Greece as a perfect example of a country loaned money, that the EU knew would cause problems, they knew that Greece's fiscal numbers were a crock of ****, then when the country could not repay the debt, bonds rates were to high to pay, they were hit with drastic cuts.
Not saying Greece was innocent, but all involved (Greece-EU Govts-Bankers) knew a fiscal reckoning was coming, it was just a matter of when.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, the isolationists did encourage the US to ignore Hitler. Makes you wonder why people are still advocating for such an ineffective ideology even today.

Yes, the US has friends across the globe. Many of these friends like having US troops to help them fight terrorists or keep them safe from predatory states like Russia or China. How is that a problem? How is that an excuse for Russia’s actions?

And the Russians rather ironically helped Hitler build the actual Wehrmacht. What’s your point?

Oh I see, using excuses from sixty plus years ago to justify atrocities going on today. Typical.
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We have 800 military bases in other countries. We are as far away from an isolationist as a country can be. We actively fund candidates of other countries all over the world and cry like a baby when it is done to us. When we cannot buy a leader we send in our CIA to start a coup. Do you have any idea haw many coups the CIA and our government has funded and backed. We would have to start a new thread.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
We interfere in every election we can. More than Russia for sure. We kill people all over the world. How many countries does our military currently march in. We invade countries all the time. We may not have supported Hitler but we did look the other way. Of course a lot of our industry helped Germany build their war machine. Maybe we should not be in the G-7 either. I wonder if Germany is in the G-7 after starting 2 world wars? What about japan who attacked us in WW2? Looks like the G-7 is made up of some pretty notorious trouble making countries. I think Russia has all the qualifications to be in if these other countries are a part of it.
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There's a big difference between "then" (WWII), and "now".

Putin is anything, but on our side today. WWII was a long time ago ...
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
We have 800 military bases in other countries. We are as far away from an isolationist as a country can be. We actively fund candidates of other countries all over the world and cry like a baby when it is done to us. When we cannot buy a leader we send in our CIA to start a coup. Do you have any idea haw many coups the CIA and our government has funded and backed. We would have to start a new thread.
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Hi Olgino, do they look like USA´s spies to you , or on Soros payroll ?

 
Rogue Valley said:
Maybe ... Russia can be allowed back into the G7 after Crimea is returned to its rightful owner, the Kremlin withdraws all Russian forces from eastern Ukraine, the RF Air Force stops bombing hospitals and clinics in Syria, Russia ceases to meddle in Western elections.

Once again, Trump does the heavy lifting for the Rossiya regime that meddled in the 2016 election. Always the traitor.
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I swear, I just can't find an excuse for the way Trump kisses Putin's arse. If Trump's not in bed with him, I'd sure like to hear what the deal here is.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, the isolationists did encourage the US to ignore Hitler. Makes you wonder why people are still advocating for such an ineffective ideology even today.

Yes, the US has friends across the globe. Many of these friends like having US troops to help them fight terrorists or keep them safe from predatory states like Russia or Chin makes no sensea. How is that a problem? How is that an excuse for Russia’s actions?

And the Russians rather ironically helped Hitler build the actual Wehrmacht. What’s your point?

Oh I see, using excuses from sixty plus years ago to justify atrocities going on today. Typical.
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Exactly. Russia has to be seen for the current threat it is today. It's essentially a Putin-run criminal enterprise terrorist state. NK on a large scale, for lack of better words!

Trump's acquiescence to Putin makes no sense.
 
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PIPEWRENCH said:
We have 800 military bases in other countries. We are as far away from an isolationist as a country can be. We actively fund candidates of other countries all over the world and cry like a baby when it is done to us. When we cannot buy a leader we send in our CIA to start a coup. Do you have any idea haw many coups the CIA and our government has funded and backed. We would have to start a new thread.
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Yes, again the US has lots of friends around the world. So what?

Many of Donald Trump's supporters screech that old isolationist rally cry "America first". We have not been isolationist in years because isolationism doesn't work and hasn't for almost a century now.

In case you missed it, we are not a brutal dictatorship with a habit of murdering journalists and dissidents and arbitrarily annexing random chunks of neighboring countries. Trying to equate us to Russia simply doesn't work bud.

"When we can't buy a leader" gee bud, are you accusing every leader of every country which hasn't had the infamous CIA helping dissidents of being puppets of the US? You realize how hilariously paranoid that is? Hell, do you realize how much money it would cost to "buy" hundreds of world leaders going back decades?

The problem with your premise, buddy, is that you think that there is so sort of moral equivalence between Putin's Russia and the US. There isn't.
 
Chomsky said:
Exactly. Russia has to be seen for the current threat it is today. It's essentially a Putin-run criminal enterprise terrorist state. NK on a large scale, for lack of better words!

Trump's acquiescence to Putin makes no sense.
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Well, it makes sense if you consider the hard-on conservatives seem to have for "strongmen" who whack journalists and dissidents nowadays.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Well, it makes sense if you consider the hard-on conservatives seem to have for "strongmen" who whack journalists and dissidents nowadays.
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I find it troubling.
 
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actually what trump and his fans do, they try to cover Ozero´s terrific crimes ...

"Catch Carlos If You Can
March 14, 2018
A mysterious Twitter persona launched one of the most enduring Moscow-friendly hoaxes of the MH17 airline tragedy.
We found the ex-convict behind the lie."
https://www.riseproject.ro/articol/c...rul_de_trafic/
 
Peter King said:
Well, it is not strange why Trump would want Russia back but as the new Italian government is also big buds with the Vladinator, it is also not strange that they want them back.

But does Russia deserve it? It certainly interfered with the US election, most likely interfered in the Brexit vote, it supplied the weaponry that downed MH17 and it is a semi-democracy ruled by the new Czar of Russia. And then I am not even talking about his illegal occupation of parts of Ukraine and has been nothing but a terrible player in the worldwide political playing field.

IMHO they do not deserve back to the G8, how about you?

Should they be allowed back as Trump and Italy want? If they should be allowed back, then when? Should they ever?
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the reality TV star is very , very sick

" 1) Trump again calls for readmitting Russia to G7, 2) blames Obama for Crimea's annexation "

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/09/politics/trump-russia-g8-press-conference/index.html
 
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Trump is the worst leader and humiliation in the USA history, i like how frau Merkel deals with him
 
Peter King said:
If there currently is an empire of evil, it is Russia. China is complicated but not anywhere as devious and heinous as Putin and his buds.
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Russia is a pain in the ass, but China is a huge worrye economically and militarily.
 
Peter King said:
This was placed outside the Russian embassy in the Hague.
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what i´d recommend to Netherlands, its the sanctions on Muscovite oil and gas industry, + banking
 
Litwin said:
what i´d recommend to Netherlands, its the sanctions on Muscovite oil and gas industry, + banking
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I think that the best way to end the worlds dependence on some nutty Arab dictators and the new Czar of Russia is to fully go for renewable energy. And I mean hard on ending the importation of gas and oil from rogue states and dictatorial regimes.
 
Peter King said:
If there currently is an empire of evil, it is Russia. China is complicated but not anywhere as devious and heinous as Putin and his buds.
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If America were to fall, I'd much rather us fall to China than to Russia.
 
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