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Would You Vote for a Former Imam for Congress?

Would You Vote for a Former Imam for Congress?

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Carjosse

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I was browsing Reddit and I found this article. An Imam has been approached by the Liberals to run in a possible Quebec by-election. He is a spokesperson for the Council of Quebec Imams, a former engineer for Bombardier, holds a law degree, and speaks 7 languages. I think that is a pretty amazing resume for an MP and if he is considering he must know about the Liberal's policies and whipping on social issues.

Strangely the riding people think he would run in is a historically an Italian riding.

Would you vote for an equally qualified Imam running for Congress?
 
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Carjosse said:
I was browsing Reddit and I found this article. An Imam has been approached by the Liberals to run in a possible Quebec by-election. He is a spokesperson for the Council of Quebec Imams, a former engineer for Bombardier, holds a law degree, and speaks 7 languages. I think that is a pretty amazing resume for an MP and if he is considering he must know about the Liberal's policies and whipping on social issues.

Strangely the riding people think he would run in is a historically an Italian riding.

Would you vote for an equally qualified Imam running for Congress?
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Well qualified and if running for the party I planned to vote for, yes
 
Carjosse said:
I was browsing Reddit and I found this article. An Imam has been approached by the Liberals to run in a possible Quebec by-election. He is a spokesperson for the Council of Quebec Imams, a former engineer for Bombardier, holds a law degree, and speaks 7 languages. I think that is a pretty amazing resume for an MP and if he is considering he must know about the Liberal's policies and whipping on social issues.

Strangely the riding people think he would run in is a historically an Italian riding.

Would you vote for an equally qualified Imam running for Congress?
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Can't vote for Congress but I'd vote for him for Parliament. If I decide to forgive Trudeau for buying a pipeline, that is. The way I'm thinking now, I may be sitting the next one out.
'Course, I'm starting to come around. If he maintains his hard line against trade tariffs I might be onside again.
All of which has nothing to do with the Imam. I guess my point is, there's nothing to object to about him personally. It's his party affiliation that'll make people vote for or against him.
In a perfect world.
 
I voted for a Mormon bishop. Why wouldn't I vote for an imam?

Assuming he stood for what I believe in politically and wasn't a criminal and good stuff like that.
 
Carjosse said:
I was browsing Reddit and I found this article. An Imam has been approached by the Liberals to run in a possible Quebec by-election. He is a spokesperson for the Council of Quebec Imams, a former engineer for Bombardier, holds a law degree, and speaks 7 languages. I think that is a pretty amazing resume for an MP and if he is considering he must know about the Liberal's policies and whipping on social issues.

Strangely the riding people think he would run in is a historically an Italian riding.

Would you vote for an equally qualified Imam running for Congress?
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Depends what he says he'll do and the feasibility of it.

Why the hell do I keep seeing questions like this?

Who the **** cares about anything except what the potential candidate says they will do and how much you believe them?
 
Carjosse said:
I was browsing Reddit and I found this article. An Imam has been approached by the Liberals to run in a possible Quebec by-election. He is a spokesperson for the Council of Quebec Imams, a former engineer for Bombardier, holds a law degree, and speaks 7 languages. I think that is a pretty amazing resume for an MP and if he is considering he must know about the Liberal's policies and whipping on social issues.

Strangely the riding people think he would run in is a historically an Italian riding.

Would you vote for an equally qualified Imam running for Congress?
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No, he’s a liberal which means he wants to transition to economy to a command economy and supports policies antithetical to a free market. And there’s virtually no pro market Muslims credibly running for office in either the US or Canada
 
Carjosse said:
I was browsing Reddit and I found this article. An Imam has been approached by the Liberals to run in a possible Quebec by-election. He is a spokesperson for the Council of Quebec Imams, a former engineer for Bombardier, holds a law degree, and speaks 7 languages. I think that is a pretty amazing resume for an MP and if he is considering he must know about the Liberal's policies and whipping on social issues.

Strangely the riding people think he would run in is a historically an Italian riding.

Would you vote for an equally qualified Imam running for Congress?
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Religion or no religion doesn't mean a thing to me when it comes to voting for my Representative or any other elected office. That also goes for political parties. If I could trust him to vote the way people in his district want him to vote, to represent the people of his district instead of his party, then he would have my vote. The worst thing in my book is a representative putting his party first and voting against the wishes and wants of the people of his district. The people he was originally elected to represent.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, he’s a liberal which means he wants to transition to economy to a command economy and supports policies antithetical to a free market. And there’s virtually no pro market Muslims credibly running for office in either the US or Canada
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So all Liberals are socialists? What kind of ridiculous hyperbole is that?
 
Carjosse said:
I was browsing Reddit and I found this article. An Imam has been approached by the Liberals to run in a possible Quebec by-election. He is a spokesperson for the Council of Quebec Imams, a former engineer for Bombardier, holds a law degree, and speaks 7 languages. I think that is a pretty amazing resume for an MP and if he is considering he must know about the Liberal's policies and whipping on social issues.

Strangely the riding people think he would run in is a historically an Italian riding.

Would you vote for an equally qualified Imam running for Congress?
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Carjosse:

I would have to do more homework on the potential candidate but his cultural background, his religion and his position as an imam are not problematic for me. What puzzles me is the idea of parachuting him into a riding in which he seems to have little connection. Mr. Guillet seems to be based south east of Montreal in the Saint Jean sur Richeliu region but is being considered to run in the St. Leonard-St. Michel riding in northeastern Montreal. That raises a big red-flag for me, as I generally oppose voting for parachuted candidates inserted by parties for political expediency from afar rather than home-grown candidates who know and are deeply connected with the riding. So I will reserve judgement about the man until I learn more, but his Middle Eastern roots and his active role in his Muslim faith are not issues for me in and of themselves.

Cheers/Salut.
Evillroddy.
 
No. Muslims cannot honestly pledge an oath to uphold our constitution...their culture don't allow for it.
 
Carjosse said:
So all Liberals are socialists? What kind of ridiculous hyperbole is that?
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I’m yet to meet one who will agree government regulations are too severe or superflous or that welfare is adequately funded, so until I meet one I’m operating under the assumption they are.
 
Carjosse said:
I was browsing Reddit and I found this article. An Imam has been approached by the Liberals to run in a possible Quebec by-election. He is a spokesperson for the Council of Quebec Imams, a former engineer for Bombardier, holds a law degree, and speaks 7 languages. I think that is a pretty amazing resume for an MP and if he is considering he must know about the Liberal's policies and whipping on social issues.

Strangely the riding people think he would run in is a historically an Italian riding.

Would you vote for an equally qualified Imam running for Congress?
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Unless he is running as a politician and not in a religious capacity, why would it matter?
 
Carjosse said:
I was browsing Reddit and I found this article. An Imam has been approached by the Liberals to run in a possible Quebec by-election. He is a spokesperson for the Council of Quebec Imams, a former engineer for Bombardier, holds a law degree, and speaks 7 languages. I think that is a pretty amazing resume for an MP and if he is considering he must know about the Liberal's policies and whipping on social issues.

Strangely the riding people think he would run in is a historically an Italian riding.

Would you vote for an equally qualified Imam running for Congress?
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My general political philosophy is that between an ethical, qualified religious person and an ethical, qualified atheist, I'll always go with the atheist.

Once you're religious, you're religious. At that point I'm just hoping your personal sense of restraint is enough to prevent you from indulging in too much megalomania due to the fact that you derive your authority from an omnipotent, omniscient being we can never see and never question for ourselves.
 
Carjosse said:
I was browsing Reddit and I found this article. An Imam has been approached by the Liberals to run in a possible Quebec by-election. He is a spokesperson for the Council of Quebec Imams, a former engineer for Bombardier, holds a law degree, and speaks 7 languages. I think that is a pretty amazing resume for an MP and if he is considering he must know about the Liberal's policies and whipping on social issues.

Strangely the riding people think he would run in is a historically an Italian riding.

Would you vote for an equally qualified Imam running for Congress?
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Congress if full of second and third rate people, it would easy to upgrade, if this guy was American he would likely be an upgrade.
 
itsforthekids said:
No. Muslims cannot honestly pledge an oath to uphold our constitution...their culture don't allow for it.
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Itsforthekids:

Why would a Quebec Member of the National Assembly have to swear an oath to uphold the US constitution? Canada is a separate country and the independent-minded Quebec has its own unique rules for swearing in elected members of the Quebec National Assembly.

Oath of Office

After the election, the candidates who were elected must be sworn in by the Secretary General of the Assembly before they can take their seat in the Assembly. They take two oaths:

an oath of allegiance to the Crown:

“I, (name of the MNA), do swear [solemnly declare] that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.”

an oath of loyalty to the people of Québec:

“I, (name of the MNA), declare under oath that I will be loyal to the people of Québec and that I will perform the duties of Member honestly and justly in conformity with the constitution of Québec.”
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From:

The Office of MNA - National Assembly of Québec

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
I could vote for a Muslim but not for an "equally qualified" imam. Similarly, I could vote for a Christian but not for an "equally qualified" reverend/priest.

The reason is simple - I don't like the idea of electing somebody who has made religion their life's focus.

(With that said, I'd probably vote for a reverend over an equally qualified imam.)
 
As long as they are in favor of secular government then I don’t much care about their religion.
 
if he is the best candidate, absolutely
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, he’s a liberal which means he wants to transition to economy to a command economy and supports policies antithetical to a free market. And there’s virtually no pro market Muslims credibly running for office in either the US or Canada
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There's almost no true Christians who are 'pro market' running for office either, just a bunch of posers looking out for Satan's best interests.

"If you are a star they'll let you do it."--Donald Trump, 'Christian' and the overwhelming favorite of white, southern evangelicals.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
As long as they are in favor of secular government then I don’t much care about their religion.
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Islam is not in favour of secular government. The doctrine is that god made all the laws required and revealed them through his prophet. For men to presume to make new laws is heresy. All that elected governments may do is tomake regulations within god's law in order to implement it. It must be assumed that an Imam holds to this doctrine which is why I would not vote for someone who had been an Imam, except in the extremely unlikely circumstance that he had renounced Islam.
 
Sweden said:
Islam is not in favour of secular government.
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There are at least 21 secular states with a majority Muslim population, so your statement is clearly false.
 
Aristaeus said:
There are at least 21 secular states with a majority Muslim population, so your statement is clearly false.
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Do you mean states like Egypt? Where the army staged a coup to prevent the Muslim Brotherhood instituting an Islamic state? Or do you mean semi democratic states like Kuwait which are not actual theocracies?
 
Sweden said:
Do you mean states like Egypt? Where the army staged a coup to prevent the Muslim Brotherhood instituting an Islamic state? Or do you mean semi democratic states like Kuwait which are not actual theocracies?
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I'm not talking about any of those countries, although Kuwait is largely secular.

Places like Turkey, Albania, Ivory Coast, Mali, etc, etc.
 
Sweden said:
Islam is not in favour of secular government. The doctrine is that god made all the laws required and revealed them through his prophet. For men to presume to make new laws is heresy. All that elected governments may do is tomake regulations within god's law in order to implement it. It must be assumed that an Imam holds to this doctrine which is why I would not vote for someone who had been an Imam, except in the extremely unlikely circumstance that he had renounced Islam.
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There is no one flavor of Islam. There are plenty of Muslims who believe in secular government, particularly those raised in the west. Now, I have the advantage of having lived in multiple Muslim countries, having worked alongside hundreds of Muslims, and am still friends with dozens of them. So I know how widely their beliefs can vary. Not all Muslims are Islamists. I would never vote for an Islamist because by definition they believe governments should obey the Koran.

It is easy to say that Islamic doctrine says X, Y, and Z therefore Muslims believe X, Y, and Z. But just like every other group of religious people, Muslims are humans and humans will interpret things in a way that they are comfortable with. They will rationalize things so they can live the life they want to live while convincing themselves they are still true to their religion.

Humans by their vary nature aren’t consistent. Hell, one of the best strip clubs I went to when living in Jakarta was owned by an Imam. I even convinced him to add Guinness to the beers they kept on tap.

People are complicated.
 
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