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Democrats and liberals - are you sick of the SJW Left?

Are you fed up with SJW's

  • YES

    Votes: 14 41.2%

  • NO

    Votes: 9 26.5%

  • Yes, but they serve a purpose

    Votes: 4 11.8%

  • I AM a SJW, knock it off!

    Votes: 2 5.9%

  • OTHER - please clarify

    Votes: 5 14.7%
  • Total voters
    34
  • Poll closed .
ashurbanipal said:
I'm not exactly sick of them...but I do think they sometimes go too far, and I find it idiotic when they do. Examples:

1. There was a university in Sweden recently that removed all the urinals from the men's restrooms, with the intent of forcing men to sit while urinating. The idea was that, somehow or other, when a man stands up to urinate, he is expressing his disdain for women and his superiority over them. I doubt very seriously such thoughts are widespread among urinating men, however--usually when I make a pit stop, my thoughts aren't about how superior I am to a woman because I can urinate standing up. My thoughts are usually more like "Aaaahhhh....now make sure not to get any on your pants." The university in question originally thought to hire monitors in men's restrooms to force men to sit while urinating, but fortunately the administration realized that would be going too far (and would be probably illegal). So now all the men just urinate standing up in a standard stall.

2. One of my colleagues, a few years ago, passed around a sheet listing examples of microaggression. Some were understandable (i.e. don't ask black students whether they play basketball or football for the campus team--assumes the only reason a black person would be at the university is through an athletic scholarship). Some were not--the sheet listed saying "hello" to someone else as a microaggression, though I don't recall the justification because it made no damn sense. I smile and say hello to people every day, despite the advice of this colleague, and I've never gotten the impression that anyone to whom I smile and say hello has been injured.

3. Trigger-warnings are, for the most part, bloody ridiculous. I get it for a soldier who has seen combat and who may not want to hear my compadres in the humanities or history departments lecturing in too much detail about the results of war, or a survivor of sexual assault not wanting to delve too deeply into the philosophy of sex. Those cases are comparatively rare. But many students these days want to use such as an excuse to not confront difficult and uncomfortable topics. Guess what? You're in college now, this is real life, and you damn well have to confront stuff that makes you uncomfortable. Can't hide your head in the sand your whole life.

In general, all human beings ought to be treated with equality and decency. But as with the pursuit of any ideal, it's certainly possible to go overboard.
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Well, you're a very patient person and you deserve respect for being so.
I doubt many are as patient as you, because for me, points #2 and 3 are just another example of "tearing out more urinals".

In the movie Thelma and Louise, the viewer learns that Louise was raped in Texas, hence the reason she shot Thelma's rapist to begin with.
And along their journey, Thelma finds out that Louise has absolutely NO intention of talking about her experience in Texas, because on the two occasions that Thelma gently inquired, it evoked a fairly harsh response from Louise.
If you've seen the movie, you know what I am talking about. That would be a fair example of "triggering" as regards PTSD.
Today you can't walk five yards on a college campus without inadvertently "triggering" some wilting little "flower" or so it would seem.
Enough, this is ridiculous and I am indeed sick and tired of it.

Micro-aggressions? Same...enough, I am sick of it. Apparently my very existence is a micro-aggression.
Yeah well, sorry but I won't be killing myself so the micro-aggressions shall continue.

You're too nice and patient to say you're sick and tired of them. But you're clearly on the boat, and welcome.
 
MrWonka said:
So you're telling us you're against Justice? Are you against the truth and the American way too?
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Har har very funny.
I'm assuming you were being snarky.

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MrWonka said:
Classical heroes from the past fought people just like you trying to paint them as fringe lunatics. In Twenty years today's social justice warriors will be classic heroes and everyone who let this disgusting abomination into the white house will be looked upon with the same disdain as the KKK.
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Please clarify.
 
MrWonka said:
By the way, according to your profile, this forum gave you a trophy for showing up and posting regularly for over a year. Did it hurt you?
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It hasn't helped. But then again, I'm not a snowflake who requires constant validation. I'll bet you got a closet full of participation trophies. Then real life hit you like a twoXfour and that's what got you so bitter.
 
Waddy said:
It hasn't helped. But then again, I'm not a snowflake who requires constant validation. I'll bet you got a closet full of participation trophies. Then real life hit you like a twoXfour and that's what got you so bitter.
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Me? No, I'm a tall college-educated white man. I get to win all the time. It's so incredibly easy I feel bad for people like you and want spot you guys points.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Please clarify.
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What is there to clarify? The current President of the United States just said that he has the right to murder American Citizens in cold blood, and then pardon himself for it. He thinks that's what would make America great again, and you're calling the young educated people who oppose him and his supporters extremists wack jobs. If 40% of Americans are supporting a reckless lunatic who believes he is above the law for President then whoever is opposing him regardless of how extreme that may sound almost certainly the good guys.
 
Praxas said:
Depends on your definition of SJW. To some on the right if you are for gay marriage being legal you are a SJW.
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I'm for gay marriage being legal and I lean right. People are people the govt. should not be involved.
 
MrWonka said:
What is there to clarify? The current President of the United States just said that he has the right to murder American Citizens in cold blood, and then pardon himself for it. He thinks that's what would make America great again, and you're calling the young educated people who oppose him and his supporters extremists wack jobs. If 40% of Americans are supporting a reckless lunatic who believes he is above the law for President then whoever is opposing him regardless of how extreme that may sound almost certainly the good guys.
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Uhhh...YEAH NO, I was not "calling the young educated people who oppose him and his supporters extremists wack jobs".
That would be YOU putting words in MY mouth.

As with everything else, sometimes the methods do matter.
And, as with everything else, assigning broad sweeping generalizations matters, too.
So if you decide to start at the beginning of the thread and you decide to at least skim over some of the thoughts I've shared, perhaps you'll be a little bit more inclined to flesh out a more rational assessment of my views, because I went to great pains to be very specific about a very specific segment of people, with whom I do have valid issues with regarding their methods.
That didn't mean that I was opposed to all of the values they align with, it meant that I was growing tired of their tactics, because I do not happen to feel it helps very much.

Of particular interest, you may want to see my thoughts on "FAILED LIBERALISM" and the costs to liberalism as a whole.
Politics is the art of the possible.
 
Yes, 1,000 times yes. The forum that was a member of prior to DP was SJW central the last couple of years I was there. So glad to leave...
 
lefty louie said:
I'm for gay marriage being legal and I lean right. People are people the govt. should not be involved.
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Most real conservatives, including me feel as you do.
It's the socially religious conservatives who are in the minority and feel government should be involved in the marriage business. They have the right to think this way in their private lives, but thankfully, some are starting to come around to the way that we think. Let's leave Big Brother out of people's marriages.
 
trixare4kids said:
Most real conservatives, including me feel as you do.
It's the socially religious conservatives who are in the minority and feel government should be involved in the marriage business. They have the right to think this way in their private lives, but thankfully, some are starting to come around to the way that we think. Let's leave Big Brother out of people's marriages.
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You stop too short, let's keep BB out of our lives, period. Peace.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
As with everything else, sometimes the methods do matter.
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Was MLK right? Were black people being treated like ****? Did he and African Americans have a right to be pissed off about it? Why is it always the responsibility of the oppressed to be so nice to their oppressors when trying to convince them to stop oppressing them?

How you fight a war matters because of a lot of stupid people who don't understand the problem will perceive you in a bad light if you use tactics that seem over the top.

Checkerboard Strangler said:
So if you decide to start at the beginning of the thread and you decide to at least skim over some of the thoughts I've shared, perhaps you'll be a little bit more inclined to flesh out a more rational assessment of my views,
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I already did. Your views are not rational.

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Of particular interest, you may want to see my thoughts on "FAILED LIBERALISM" and the costs to liberalism as a whole.
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Martin Luther King is dead. They shot him. Maybe it's time to look around and ask yourself just how much your peaceful resistance accomplished.
 
beancounter said:
Yes, 1,000 times yes. The forum that was a member of prior to DP was SJW central the last couple of years I was there. So glad to leave...
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So you went and found a safe space...
 
MrWonka said:
Me? No, I'm a tall college-educated white man. I get to win all the time. It's so incredibly easy I feel bad for people like you and want spot you guys points.
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Yep. You're a legend in your own mind. So I guess I can quit spotting you points here on the forum.
 
trixare4kids said:
Most real conservatives, including me, feel as you do.
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You don't get to say real conservatives. When every single solitary conservative at CPAC disagrees with you it's time to acknowledge the reality that you are not a conservative. You're a liberal who likes guns and tax cuts, and you're willing to force gay people back into the closet because you get an erection every time you fire an assault rifle.
 
MrWonka said:
So you went and found a safe space...
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No, I found a place with a diversity of opinion. Hearing people regurgitate the party line constantly gets tiresome after a while.

Especially when the party line isn't always right. But critical analysis wasn't their forté. Rather, ideological purity was their priority.
 
beancounter said:
Yes, 1,000 times yes. The forum that was a member of prior to DP was SJW central the last couple of years I was there. So glad to leave...
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Posts #42 and 57 almost amount to another instance of "if you aren't with us, you're against us".
But I get it, the impetuousness of youth.
You guys are against Trump, I'm against Trump. You guys believe in universal health care, I do too.
You guys want a better environment, wage equality, marriage equality, affordable higher education, an end to gun violence, stopping white supremacy and fascism, I'm right there with you.

Micro-aggressions, gender terrorism, safe spaces, censoring those with opposing views? We part ways there, but according to
Mr. Wonka that means I side with Trump and the Nazis, I guess, and history will view him as a classical hero and I'll be viewed as the enemy.

See? This is why they're not helping, this is why I am sick of that crowd, failed liberalism writ large.
 
MrWonka said:
You don't get to say real conservatives. When every single solitary conservative at CPAC disagrees with you it's time to acknowledge the reality that you are not a conservative. You're a liberal who likes guns and tax cuts, and you're willing to force gay people back into the closet because you get an erection every time you fire an assault rifle.
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Oh, yes, I do get to say it.

I don't like guns, but I won't stop the law abiding from owning them. And who doesn't like tax cuts? Why would I force gay people back in the closet? Can you read?
Tell me something, Mr.Wonka, how do I get an erection? I'm a female.
Explain that to me in three words or less, m'kaaay? :lol:
 
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MrWonka said:
Was MLK right? Were black people being treated like ****? Did he and African Americans have a right to be pissed off about it? Why is it always the responsibility of the oppressed to be so nice to their oppressors when trying to convince them to stop oppressing them?

How you fight a war matters because of a lot of stupid people who don't understand the problem will perceive you in a bad light if you use tactics that seem over the top.


I already did. Your views are not rational.
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Another broad sweeping generalization. You're unable and unwilling to clarify, which also means you're LAZY.
Therefore I have difficulty believing that you actually read anything I said. If you did, you'd have responses beyond "your views are not rational."

MrWonka said:
Martin Luther King is dead. They shot him. Maybe it's time to look around and ask yourself just how much your peaceful resistance accomplished.
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MLK accomplished a lot before he died, and he accomplished it a half century ago. Maybe it doesn't occur to you that he and Malcolm X were among the first. You're walking in his footsteps. By the way, X was also assassinated. He wasn't "peaceful".

My peaceful resistance wasn't always peaceful but that resistance accomplished a lot. You seem to think history started when you crawled out of your crib and went to college.

You may want to heed some of your own advice.
How you're fighting the "war", via censorship of opposing views, is giving those with opposing views all the martyrdom and victim cards they could ever dream of.
Administering a purity test to me, that's just one more example of your narrow minded fundamentalism.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Another broad sweeping generalization.
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I didn't even make one single solitary generalization in the entire text you quoted.

Checkerboard Strangler said:
You're unable and unwilling to clarify,
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You have to tell me what you're confused about before I can clarify.

Checkerboard Strangler said:
If you did, you'd have responses beyond "your views are not rational."
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I did have a response beyond that. You just quoted it.

Checkerboard Strangler said:
MLK accomplished a lot before he died
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MLK didn't just die. He was murdered in broad daylight.

Checkerboard Strangler said:
By the way, X was also assassinated. He wasn't "peaceful".
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So they'll murder you if you're nice to them, and they'll murder you if you're not.

Checkerboard Strangler said:
My peaceful resistance wasn't always peaceful but that resistance accomplished a lot. You seem to think history started when you crawled out of your crib and went to college.;
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No, I just recognize that your history is the rest of our future under Trump, and if some Nazis need to get punched in order to stop that then boohoo.

Checkerboard Strangler said:
How you're fighting the "war", via censorship of opposing views, is giving those with opposing views all the martyrdom and victim cards they could ever dream of.
Administering a purity test to me, that's just one more example of your narrow-minded fundamentalism.
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Debates end. There is a winner and a loser. There's no point in having an argument in the first place if someone isn't right, someone isn't wrong, and we can learn something from it over time. This debate should have been over a long ****ing time ago. We are under no obligation to keep pretending racist pieces of **** are going to wow us with their next "idea." If you have a problem with Justice, then it's your problem, not mine. I'm not waiting around for you to wake the **** up and realize you're wrong while good innocent people are trapped in a nightmare of your ignorance.
 
I have not voted in this poll because I don’t know the definition of a SJW and I don’t know what kind of things SJW’s Campaign for.
 
trixare4kids said:
but I won't stop the law abiding from owning them
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How do you know who is law abiding if you won't force them to pass a background check?

trixare4kids said:
And who doesn't like tax cuts?
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People who have brains, understand economics, care about their children, want better roads, a decent health care system, and fathom how compound interest works.

trixare4kids said:
Why would I force gay people back in the closet? Can you read?
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If you're not voting Democrat you're doing it whether you're intelligent enough to grasp that reality or not.
 
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