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If the long threatened "civil war" breaks out, will you enlist?

If Civil War Breaks Out - Will You Enlist?

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For years, even before the election of Donald Trump, the Right has been lobbing threats of a "civil war" if the "demand of the week" is not met, or for a variety of other reasons too numerous to list (or, I'm too lazy to list them because most of you know them already)

So the question is, if a so called "civil war" does break out, will you enlist and go fight, and if so, for which side?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
For years, even before the election of Donald Trump, the Right has been lobbing threats of a "civil war" if the "demand of the week" is not met, or for a variety of other reasons too numerous to list (or, I'm too lazy to list them because most of you know them already)

So the question is, if a so called "civil war" does break out, will you enlist and go fight, and if so, for which side?
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I don't believe I've seen it talked about for every random thing under the sun, as you're characterizing it. When I've mostly seen it is in regard to a full gun ban. That said, I picked other because I'm already in the military. As for what side I pick, that depends on the reason and how it applies to the Constitution.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
For years, even before the election of Donald Trump, the Right has been lobbing threats of a "civil war" if the "demand of the week" is not met, or for a variety of other reasons too numerous to list (or, I'm too lazy to list them because most of you know them already)

So the question is, if a so called "civil war" does break out, will you enlist and go fight, and if so, for which side?
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The only thing close to civil war will be vigilantism against drug dealers and gangs.
 
Absolutely not. If you had asked me when I was younger my answer would have been different. But some of the things I did during my 20 year military career has left me seriously messed up mentally. To do that again, let alone to my fellow countrymen, is inconceivable to me. If such a war broke out I would get my family and head to saner lands.

But fortunately such a scenario is highly improbable.
 
I don't know why you characterize revolution/civil war as singularly right wing when history has shown most civil wars are started by left wing radicals. Neither Lenin nor Mao were right wingers. The closest we've come in modern US history is left wing groups agitating for civil war, or at least overthrow of the existing government, which is basically the same thing.

Personally, I will stand behind the Constitution and fight for the government if they are behind the Constitution as well. I would not defend a government that had abandoned the Constitution.

Donald Trump came into office by due process, duly and legally elected, yet there is a "resistance" movement out there, some of whom advocate violent overthrow of his administration, which would indeed mean civil war. The threat isn't solely from the right.

“WAKE UP & JOIN THE RESISTANCE. ONCE THE MILITARY IS W US FASCISTS GET OVERTHROWN. MAD KING & HIS HANDLERS GO BYE BYE,” she wrote on Twitter. Sarah Silverman

“The fourth possibility is one that until recently I would have said was unthinkable in the United States of America: a military coup, or at least a refusal by military leaders to obey certain orders.” Rosa Brooks, law professor and former Obama official

https://www.theepochtimes.com/advocating-a-coup-against-trump-is-against-the-law_2218176.html
 
Waddy said:
I don't know why you characterize revolution/civil war as singularly right wing when history has shown most civil wars are started by SNIPPED
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I didn't "characterize" anything, I made NOTE of the recent and numerous warnings in several right wing media outlets over the last couple of years of an impending civil war.

To date in recent times, the only group NOT on the Right doing the same thing is Antifa, but it might be noted that Antifa is really an ANARCHIST group first and foremost. They find it convenient to act as a parasite with liberals, which is, at least in my humble opinion, a huge mistake attributable mainly to the NAIVETE of many young ultra-liberals.

But Antifa is indeed mostly ANARCHIST.
 
The simplest test of my view of Antifa is to simply take note of their well publicized statements that say "If you're not WITH us, you're AGAINST us".
Well, speaking AS A LIBERAL, I find it incredibly EASY to be against FASCISM however I have NO intention whatsoever of aligning with any of the "brand name" Antifa groups, because I detest and despise anarchy in all its forms as much as I do fascism, and I have no affinity for communism either.

Therefore, I would be considered fair game by any Antifa members, just ask Ikari...he and I have gotten into it in the past because Ikari supports Antifa and he as much as said straight up, "If you don't support us, you're against us" to ME.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I didn't "characterize" anything, I made NOTE of the recent and numerous warnings in several right wing media outlets over the last couple of years of an impending civil war.

To date in recent times, the only group NOT on the Right doing the same thing is Antifa, but it might be noted that Antifa is really an ANARCHIST group first and foremost. They find it convenient to act as a parasite with liberals, which is, at least in my humble opinion, a huge mistake attributable mainly to the NAIVETE of many young ultra-liberals.

But Antifa is indeed mostly ANARCHIST.
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From my perch? That civil war is closer than most Americans realize.
 
Waddy said:
I don't know why you characterize revolution/civil war as singularly right wing when history has shown most civil wars are started by left wing radicals. Neither Lenin nor Mao were right wingers. The closest we've come in modern US history is left wing groups agitating for civil war, or at least overthrow of the existing government, which is basically the same thing.

Personally, I will stand behind the Constitution and fight for the government if they are behind the Constitution as well. I would not defend a government that had abandoned the Constitution.

Donald Trump came into office by due process, duly and legally elected, yet there is a "resistance" movement out there, some of whom advocate violent overthrow of his administration, which would indeed mean civil war. The threat isn't solely from the right.

“WAKE UP & JOIN THE RESISTANCE. ONCE THE MILITARY IS W US FASCISTS GET OVERTHROWN. MAD KING & HIS HANDLERS GO BYE BYE,” she wrote on Twitter. Sarah Silverman

“The fourth possibility is one that until recently I would have said was unthinkable in the United States of America: a military coup, or at least a refusal by military leaders to obey certain orders.” Rosa Brooks, law professor and former Obama official

https://www.theepochtimes.com/advocating-a-coup-against-trump-is-against-the-law_2218176.html
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Nice try, but he was specific to claims made by your buddies on the right, especially the NRA kind.

"The right owns that one.
 
Waddy said:
I don't know why you characterize revolution/civil war as singularly right wing when history has shown most civil wars are started by left wing radicals.
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Aside from "Antifa", name another current American liberal, Democratic or left wing group which is making open threats of civil war in the modern era. Just for fun, we'll say 1980 onward, because I am well aware of the pre-1980 Leftist penchant for campus violence, which is playing out today in full caricature today.
But the "social justice warriors" are not only incapable of fighting anything beyond their narrow little slice of safe space, they're so gutless as to be thoroughly incapable.

At least back in the 1960's Leftist radicals were seriously violent. Not so much anymore...just a lot of screeching and whining.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Nice try, but he was specific to claims made by your buddies on the right, especially the NRA kind.

"The right owns that one.
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We actually have quite a few very hard boiled militia/survivalist/prepper/sovereign types on DP, so the purpose of the poll is to find out if any of them would respond to calls by, say perhaps, the Oath Keepers or the Bundy Clan, or some other affiliated groups.
 
Fearandloathing said:
From my perch? That civil war is closer than most Americans realize.
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The most commonly heard threat is if Trump is impeached, or otherwise decides to go prior to completion of his term.
A LOT of voices on the Right have openly warned that the consequences of an early Trump exit, for any reason, would be WAR.

I personally do not believe it would resemble an actual "civil war" as much as it would wind up resembling what Northern Ireland called "The Troubles", which was a forty year campaign of sectarian and politically driven violence in that region.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I didn't "characterize" anything, I made NOTE of the recent and numerous warnings in several right wing media outlets over the last couple of years of an impending civil war.

To date in recent times, the only group NOT on the Right doing the same thing is Antifa, but it might be noted that Antifa is really an ANARCHIST group first and foremost. They find it convenient to act as a parasite with liberals, which is, at least in my humble opinion, a huge mistake attributable mainly to the NAIVETE of many young ultra-liberals.

But Antifa is indeed mostly ANARCHIST.
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As you can see by the quotes I posted, it isn't just ANTIFA, but other leftists as well that advocate the violent overthrow of the Trump administration. And I would characterize ANTIFA as pretty far left, at least by their writings. So in all fairness you could have been a lot more objective in setting up your scenario.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The most commonly heard threat is if Trump is impeached, or otherwise decides to go prior to completion of his term.
A LOT of voices on the Right have openly warned that the consequences of an early Trump exit, for any reason, would be WAR.

I personally do not believe it would resemble an actual "civil war" as much as it would wind up resembling what Northern Ireland called "The Troubles", which was a forty year campaign of sectarian and politically driven violence in that region.
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What would we have had if Obama had been forcefully removed from office before his time?
 
Waddy said:
As you can see by the quotes I posted, it isn't just ANTIFA, but other leftists as well that advocate the violent overthrow of the Trump administration. And I would characterize ANTIFA as pretty far left, at least by their writings. So in all fairness you could have been a lot more objective in setting up your scenario.
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A Sarah Silverman quote. Are you serious?
So, a giant fifty foot Sarah Silverman would be walking down Pennsylvania Avenue laying waste to the government?

Anyone else, any other left wing groups?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Define "forcefully"...does impeachment or 25A constitute "forcefully"?
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Yes. Impeachment is force, obviously. Would the left have supported an Obama impeachment on ANY grounds? NO WAY!!!

BTW; I already gave you names of leftists advocating the violent overthrow off Trump's administration. Rosa seems pretty serious. So does ANTIFA.
 
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Waddy said:
I don't know why you characterize revolution/civil war as singularly right wing when history has shown most civil wars are started by left wing radicals. Neither Lenin nor Mao were right wingers. The closest we've come in modern US history is left wing groups agitating for civil war, or at least overthrow of the existing government, which is basically the same thing.

Personally, I will stand behind the Constitution and fight for the government if they are behind the Constitution as well. I would not defend a government that had abandoned the Constitution.

Donald Trump came into office by due process, duly and legally elected, yet there is a "resistance" movement out there, some of whom advocate violent overthrow of his administration, which would indeed mean civil war. The threat isn't solely from the right.

“WAKE UP & JOIN THE RESISTANCE. ONCE THE MILITARY IS W US FASCISTS GET OVERTHROWN. MAD KING & HIS HANDLERS GO BYE BYE,” she wrote on Twitter. Sarah Silverman

“The fourth possibility is one that until recently I would have said was unthinkable in the United States of America: a military coup, or at least a refusal by military leaders to obey certain orders.” Rosa Brooks, law professor and former Obama official

https://www.theepochtimes.com/advocating-a-coup-against-trump-is-against-the-law_2218176.html
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Lol no. History shows no such thing. Civil wars have been started by factions all over the spectrum; trying to claim that "left wingers" start most of them is laughably false. Hell, even American history proves your claim wrong; the Confederacy was about as far from "left wing" as it got in 1860.

Ah, but Franco, Mussolini and Hitler(to name just a few) were all right wingers, so you invoking "Lenin and Mao" is rather meaningless.

None of which actually had the means, capability, popular support or organization to actually start a civil war. Fringe left wing groups aren't relevant to the discussion because they are exactly that--- fringe.

Donald Trump is a despicable human being. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that it is mandatory to respect the president as a person. Neither is there a clause which says the president and his cronies can not be investigated, especially when their actions could provide aid and comfort to enemies of the United States.

Somebody babbling a fantasy on twitter is utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

No, there is literally zero evidence that there will be a military coup. The military has zero interest in doing any such thing.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The most commonly heard threat is if Trump is impeached, or otherwise decides to go prior to completion of his term.
A LOT of voices on the Right have openly warned that the consequences of an early Trump exit, for any reason, would be WAR.

I personally do not believe it would resemble an actual "civil war" as much as it would wind up resembling what Northern Ireland called "The Troubles", which was a forty year campaign of sectarian and politically driven violence in that region.
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I suspect you are right and Trump is JUST the man for the job of touching it off.

The American right knows their days are numbered; it is only a matter of time before the US will have to conform to the new realities: they aren't the biggest show in town any more, and that social programs in Europe and Canada are draining the US of new, young talent. With that they are not going to be able to hang on to white privilege much longer. Universal health care will have to be adopted some day for the US to remain competitive

That's probably when they will discover the people they've been screwing over have long memories
 
Tigerace117 said:
Lol no. History shows no such thing. Civil wars have been started by factions all over the spectrum; trying to claim that "left wingers" start most of them is laughably false. Hell, even American history proves your claim wrong; the Confederacy was about as far from "left wing" as it got in 1860.

Ah, but Franco, Mussolini and Hitler(to name just a few) were all right wingers, so you invoking "Lenin and Mao" is rather meaningless.

None of which actually had the means, capability, popular support or organization to actually start a civil war. Fringe left wing groups aren't relevant to the discussion because they are exactly that--- fringe.

Donald Trump is a despicable human being. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that it is mandatory to respect the president as a person. Neither is there a clause which says the president and his cronies can not be investigated, especially when their actions could provide aid and comfort to enemies of the United States.

Somebody babbling a fantasy on twitter is utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

No, there is literally zero evidence that there will be a military coup. The military has zero interest in doing any such thing.
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history shows EXACTLY that. Lenin and Mao were indeed leftists.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
For years, even before the election of Donald Trump, the Right has been lobbing threats of a "civil war" if the "demand of the week" is not met, or for a variety of other reasons too numerous to list (or, I'm too lazy to list them because most of you know them already)

So the question is, if a so called "civil war" does break out, will you enlist and go fight, and if so, for which side?
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Wanna know why a civil war is simply not going to happen any time soon in the USA, no matter how deep the political divide gets?

(1) The cultural divide is much more along urban-suburban-rural lines than the red-blue-swing state lines. No way in hell could a nation be adequately divided like that.
(2) You have any idea what a civil war would do to our economy? It'd make the 2008 crash look like child's play, that's what. Think $10 for a gallon of milk or loaf of bread, gas lines that were miles long, etc. Hey, the survivalists might actually have a reason for acting like they act!
(3) As a result of that and the fact that we live in a post-Citizens United era, corporations and organizations would threaten to boycott states who seceded, and they would not hesitate to follow through with their threats. For example, college football is BIG in the South. Just let the NCAA give all teams from a seceding state the "death penalty" and you'd watch wannabe secessionist politicians fold faster than a house of cards. How much more so for corporations that would yank their business faster than a man who puts his hand on a red-hot cast iron skillet!
(4) Thus, you'd have a lot of infantile rhetoric, but nothing more. We are the United States of America and that is not going to change any time soon.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
For years, even before the election of Donald Trump, the Right has been lobbing threats of a "civil war" if the "demand of the week" is not met, or for a variety of other reasons too numerous to list (or, I'm too lazy to list them because most of you know them already)

So the question is, if a so called "civil war" does break out, will you enlist and go fight, and if so, for which side?
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I would expect the Warring Parties to be the Peaple vs. the Corporations.
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Waddy said:
history shows EXACTLY that. Lenin and Mao were indeed leftists.
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Again, no, it really doesn't.

Franco, Mussolini, and Hitler were right wingers. You need to learn that playing the "Lenin-Mao" card doesn't take the place of an actual argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civil_wars

There are dozens of examples on this list. In the vast majority, "radical leftists" were not around.
 
Waddy said:
As you can see by the quotes I posted, it isn't just ANTIFA, but other leftists as well that advocate the violent overthrow of the Trump administration. And I would characterize ANTIFA as pretty far left, at least by their writings. So in all fairness you could have been a lot more objective in setting up your scenario.
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I have been over your posts in your profile and was unable to locate those quotes. We have a fairly active left wing movement here, but they are maybe five people each with a computer and mental illness. They come in various shapes and sizes and like to make Vancouver their HQ probably because the drugs are better.

But, they are all 'ultra extreme' where even hard core anarchists reject what they have. So, it would be interesting to see which of these groups you have stumbled across. I like to keep track of them, just as I do ultra right organizations.
 
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