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If the long threatened "civil war" breaks out, will you enlist?

If Civil War Breaks Out - Will You Enlist?

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Waddy said:
What would we have had if Obama had been forcefully removed from office before his time?
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Waddy said:
No, it's a fair comment. This thread is trying to paint the right as the sole advocates of violence. That just isn't so. Almost every day some nut job left winger threatens violence if Trump isn't removed from office. I'm trying to make the point that there are plenty of crazies on BOTH sides who would resort to violence to get their way. If you can't see that then what planet do you live on; it's definitely not this one.
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What are you attempting to compare? The Clinton impeachment should have taught you his supporters chose the process, even with the aggravated
circumstances, the republican, former Gerald Ford appointed US Atty, SDNY, Robert Fiske, appointed as White Water Special Prosecutor by Atty Gen
Janet Reno, was rejected by republicans as too partisan an appointment, democrats resorted to nothing comparable to the attacks and undermining
we've witnessed recently by Trump and his supporters in reaction to a Special Counsel investigation instigated and still controlled solely by Trump
appointees.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy#The_Kenneth_Starr_investigation
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The Kenneth Starr investigation
In August 1994, Kenneth Starr[30] was appointed by a three-judge panel to continue the Whitewater investigation, replacing Robert B. Fiske, who had been specially appointed by the attorney general, prior to the re-enactment of the Independent Counsel law. Fiske was replaced because he had been chosen and appointed by Janet Reno, Clinton's attorney general, creating a conflict of interest.
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My life experience teaches me wingers must have tunnel vision, limited, selective memory, and truckloads of Scaife/Murcdoch/Koch indoctrination
to meet the unreasonableness standard of extreme right POV.
 
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
The simplest test of my view of Antifa is to simply take note of their well publicized statements that say "If you're not WITH us, you're AGAINST us".
Well, speaking AS A LIBERAL, I find it incredibly EASY to be against FASCISM however I have NO intention whatsoever of aligning with any of the "brand name" Antifa groups, because I detest and despise anarchy in all its forms as much as I do fascism, and I have no affinity for communism either.

Therefore, I would be considered fair game by any Antifa members, just ask Ikari...he and I have gotten into it in the past because Ikari supports Antifa and he as much as said straight up, "If you don't support us, you're against us" to ME.
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I actually consider myself a "practical anarchist", of the original definition.

I think that we should strive to be free of rule by others, while acknowledging that we haven't evolved enough to pull it off yet.

Like we have a democratic republic. Democracy would be great if we were all actually equals with the knowledge to make informed decisions. We aren't, so we have what we have and work for better as we get better.

Some of the early anarchist writing would definitely have drawn strong responses for the right reasons.

The word wasn't always a word for chaos. It literally means "without a king".
 
Waddy said:
There are plenty of examples of right wingers and left wingers advocating violent overthrows. That was my point. Thank you. I was originally commenting on the OP trying to make such ideas solely right wing. There are plenty of nut jobs on both sides who advocate violence. Always has been, obvious from history.
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One more time, and try and GET THIS, this time around, otherwise I will have to assume that you NEED to believe that I was "trying to MAKE this" something rather than just posting my observations. That would mean you're carrying an agenda, and that IS FINE but just come out and OWN IT instead of projecting onto me, okay?

So, one more time: I was reporting my observations of recent MEDIA reports from Right wing aligned groups who like to post "warnings of a civil war".

If Trump is impeached
If the Left comes for their guns
If gay marriage is legalized (it was)
If "God" isn't put back in schools
If abortion doesn't get outlawed
If ____________________(insert demand here)

Mostly it revolves around Trump and guns however.

I created a poll to see if anyone wanted to vote YES that they would be ready, and by the way, in case you missed it, I also DID include an option to say that someone on the LEFT would also be "ready", but for some reason YOU MISSED that in your eagerness to say I wasn't being objective.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
One more time, and try and GET THIS, this time around, otherwise I will have to assume that you NEED to believe that I was "trying to MAKE this" something rather than just posting my observations. That would mean you're carrying an agenda, and that IS FINE but just come out and OWN IT instead of projecting onto me, okay?

So, one more time: I was reporting my observations of recent MEDIA reports from Right wing aligned groups who like to post "warnings of a civil war".

If Trump is impeached
If the Left comes for their guns
If gay marriage is legalized (it was)
If "God" isn't put back in schools
If abortion doesn't get outlawed
If ____________________(insert demand here)

Mostly it revolves around Trump and guns however.

I created a poll to see if anyone wanted to vote YES that they would be ready, and by the way, in case you missed it, I also DID include an option to say that someone on the LEFT would also be "ready", but for some reason YOU MISSED that in your eagerness to say I wasn't being objective.
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Then you should have included left wingers in your comments in the OP about the poll. But you aimed it squarely at right wingers.
 
post said:
What are you attempting to compare? The Clinton impeachment should have taught you his supporters chose the process, even with the aggravated
circumstances, the republican, former Gerald Ford appointed US Atty, SDNY, Robert Fiske, appointed as White Water Special Prosecutor by Atty Gen
Janet Reno, was rejected by republicans as too partisan an appointment, democrats resorted to nothing comparable to the attacks and undermining
we've witnessed recently by Trump and his supporters in reaction to a Special Counsel investigation instigated and still controlled solely by Trump
appointees.



My life experience teaches me wingers must have tunnel vision, limited, selective memory, and truckloads of Scaife/Murcdoch/Koch indoctrination
to meet the unreasonableness standard of extreme right POV.
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different time, different era. Today both sides are more polarized. Both more prone to violence. You're seriously contending that there would be no riots if Obama had been impeached? You know better.
 
TurtleDude said:
this is just partisan stupidity that has no value-trying to blame the NRA for nuts who violate dozens of laws.
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The NRA fronts as a firearms manufacturer and distributor trade organization and lobbyist, but it does appear to be rather partisan and extreme....

NRA Says Its Next President Will Be Oliver North : The Two-Way : NPR
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...ll-be-next-president-of-nra-organization-says
May 7, 2018 - Oliver North speaks before giving the invocation at the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action Leadership Forum in Dallas on ...
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Feb 22, 2018 - National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre decried ... shooting to occur in 2018 according to the Gun Violence Archive.

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Feb 22, 2018 - NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre, right, and executive director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action Chris Cox with President Donald Trump in April.Curtis Compton/AP ... Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 22, 2018. Over the ... “[Democrats] don't want a solution,” Limbaugh said. “That is what ...
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Waddy said:
different time, different era. Today both sides are more polarized. Both more prone to violence. You're seriously contending that there would be no riots if Obama had been impeached? You know better.
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"Impeached" was not in your original question.:
Waddy said:
What would we have had if Obama had been forcefully removed from office before his time?
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You are so far to the right you risk falling over. Obama supporters do not demonize government and their faith in its institutions and in voting integrity
were buoyed (unlike Trump and his supporters) in reaction to his campaigning achievements. The tone of your question smells racist, BTW.
 
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post said:
The NRA fronts as a firearms manufacturer and distributor trade organization and lobbyist, but it does appear to be rather partisan and extreme....
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only to far left gun haters. to most of us who are pro freedom advocates, the NRA is a bit on the soft side. When we see leftwing gun haters constantly lie about the NRA, as you have, we just point out how wrong you are
 
What if...? said:
I actually consider myself a "practical anarchist", of the original definition.

I think that we should strive to be free of rule by others, while acknowledging that we haven't evolved enough to pull it off yet.

Like we have a democratic republic. Democracy would be great if we were all actually equals with the knowledge to make informed decisions. We aren't, so we have what we have and work for better as we get better.

Some of the early anarchist writing would definitely have drawn strong responses for the right reasons.

The word wasn't always a word for chaos. It literally means "without a king".
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Penn Jillette likes to claim he's a libertarian however he readily admits that it's not practical to exercise ALL of the features of libertarianism in the USA in the 21st century, so he admits it's an aspirational goal and that he's pragmatic enough to accept a wide range of ideas.
 
TurtleDude said:
only to far left gun haters. to most of us who are pro freedom advocates, the NRA is a bit on the soft side. When we see leftwing gun haters constantly lie about the NRA, as you have, we just point out how wrong you are
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Kindly point out any lie you can support as presented by me as a willful untruth, and I will alter my opinion
you are an unreasonable demand on my time and attention.
Or, you could demonstrate good faith and apologize.

A month after I was subjected to the January 20, American Carnage rant, I conceded I did not understand nor could I trust
the judgment or thought process of many people of my community. So, after six decades of no perceived need or interest,

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....I was offered a free year of NRA membership by S&W as a benefit of my purchase and I turned it down.
 
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TurtleDude said:
only to far left gun haters. to most of us who are pro freedom advocates, the NRA is a bit on the soft side. When we see leftwing gun haters constantly lie about the NRA, as you have, we just point out how wrong you are
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You could always join H.L. Richardson's outfit.
 
post said:
Kindly point out any lie you can support as presented by me as a willful untruth, and I will alter my opinion
you are an unreasonable demand on my time and attention.
Or, you could demonstrate good faith and apologize.
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you lied when you depicted the NRA as extreme and insinuated what its main purpose is
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
You could always join H.L. Richardson's outfit.
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Larry Pratt rubs me the wrong way. The other organizations I belong to (Life member of the NRA-got that as a teenager when my potential as an olympic class ISU Skeet shooter was recognized by my father) is the SAF. I also am a member of the Buckeye Firearms Association since one of my shooting buddies is an officer. I belong to a bunch of competitive shooting groups including National Skeet Shooting Association, USA Shooting (the current NGB for Olympic shooting) National Sporting Clays Association, Amateur Trapshooting Association, US Practical Shooting Association, Single Action Shooting Association and the National Field Archery Association among others
 
Rexedgar said:
Wait, wut? You are in the military and you are going to “pick a side” when the balloon goes up? What happened to following the ‘lawful’ orders of those appointed above me?
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The answer to your question is in your own statement, "lawful".
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
For years, even before the election of Donald Trump, the Right has been lobbing threats of a "civil war" if the "demand of the week" is not met, or for a variety of other reasons too numerous to list (or, I'm too lazy to list them because most of you know them already)

So the question is, if a so called "civil war" does break out, will you enlist and go fight, and if so, for which side?
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We have a Second Amendment; Only well regulated militias of the United States may not be Infringed.
 
Fearandloathing said:
It's always refreshing to be made aware of winning an argument and "in your dreams" sure fits that one.

And, I am sorry, but from where I sit the American right and the NRA are 100% responsible for the routine slaughter of school children. You own that.

Go ahead, wrap yourself in the stars and stripes, but try to get the blood out of it first.

Shame. Shame on every American who defends such atrocities in the name of cheap, divisive and petty politics.

Don't give me "in your dreams", not with with the trail of blood you people have allowed this year alone
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"From where you sit"?...you should change your location to the "State of Delusion".
 
**** no. i don't get enough time off to do that, and neither does anyone else. vote.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
And all of that and more is why I said that it would most likely be closer in nature to The Troubles of Northern Ireland, and not a full fledged civil war.
But the poll was an effort to try to get the opinion of some of the posters who have made similar warnings right here on DP in the past.
I wanted to know if any of them had plans to back up their warnings, that's all.
Would they join up with the Oath Keepers, or the III%-ers, or the Sipsey Street Irregulars, or the Michigan Militia, or any of the other groups that have made no secret of their intentions?
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Our abilities to squash terrorists far exceed those of the UK in the mid-20th century. You can thank technology, 9/11, and Presidents W. Bush and Obama for that.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The most commonly heard threat is if Trump is impeached, or otherwise decides to go prior to completion of his term.
A LOT of voices on the Right have openly warned that the consequences of an early Trump exit, for any reason, would be WAR.

I personally do not believe it would resemble an actual "civil war" as much as it would wind up resembling what Northern Ireland called "The Troubles", which was a forty year campaign of sectarian and politically driven violence in that region.
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I'll sing you a song of a terrible wrong,
When the flags all flew at half mast.
And a man he lay dead he'd been riddled with lead,
And he died on the streets of Belfast.

And the radio said was another shot dead
And he died with a gun in his hand
But they never said why Billy Reid had to die
'Cause he died to free Ireland.


Lyrics taken from <a href="https://www.elyrics.net/read/w/wolfe-tones-lyrics/billy-reid-lyrics.html">this page</a>
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
We can do this all night but it's getting tiresome.
You pointed to a few Twitter comments.

Right wing terror attacks since 1994
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here's your sign;

A 1994 study found "the actual number of acts of terrorism committed by left-wing groups accounted for about three-fourths of all officially designated acts of domestic terrorism in America.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism

Although the current domestic terrorist threat within the United States is focused on right wing extremists and white supremacists, left wing extremists are alive and well and have several objectives.
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https://fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf

Yeah, we're done. I made my point. Be more diligent next time you OP.
 
post said:
"Impeached" was not in your original question.:


You are so far to the right you risk falling over. Obama supporters do not demonize government and their faith in its institutions and in voting integrity
were buoyed (unlike Trump and his supporters) in reaction to his campaigning achievements. The tone of your question smells racist, BTW.
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Impeachment is a form of force. It is not voluntary resignation. It is a decision backed by force if necessary. And my quest6ion is only racist if you are inclined to racism.
 
danielpalos said:
We have a Second Amendment; Only well regulated militias of the United States may not be Infringed.
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Daniel, Daniel, Daniel... you lost that argument weeks ago. Move on with your life.
 
I will as always defend the elected government of my country.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
For years, even before the election of Donald Trump, the Right has been lobbing threats of a "civil war" if the "demand of the week" is not met, or for a variety of other reasons too numerous to list (or, I'm too lazy to list them because most of you know them already)

So the question is, if a so called "civil war" does break out, will you enlist and go fight, and if so, for which side?
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The right huh?

Your lefty associates in D.C. along with hundreds of other liberal movements are doing everything possible to remove a legally elected president.....including violence.
 
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