Is Trump a blip or the new direction of the Republican party?

RickJames3000 said:

Oh, look... there you are.
I thought you would hide forever from my earlier question up-thread (post #13)... the one you failed to respond to:

Do you have any substantiation for the unlikely claim that Trump "is well on his way to pulling away a large segment of black and millennial voters"?

Anything?

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Superfly said:

Trump is supported by about 30% of the Republican party. The problem is that that 30% is far, far more vocal than the 70% who are against him. That makes it look like he is supported by more of them than he actually is.

After this little "experiment" is all over, I think the Republican party will try to recover, but will have to do so using that strong backing of the 70% of "normal" Conservatives.

The other 30? About half of them will deny ever voting for Trump, and the other half will never change, as Trump has given them permission to be openly outed racist douchebags.

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Um, most of the Republicans out there support Trump.

Just look at this site as an example. How many Republicans actually are opposed to him? I've seen a few people that identity as former members of the GOP, but that's as far as it goes, and most them left the party tent after the Bush regime anyways.

The problem isn't Trump, actually. The entire GOP has managed misinformation campaigns, played dirty politics, and poured gasoline on the flames of cultural division for decades.

The only reason the GOP and many conservatives initially opposed Trump was because he was crude and clunky, and they didn't think people would be stupid enough to buy it. They thought that it was necessary to be subtle and hide the actual agenda, and pretend to have decency.

Trump has shown them that people are stupid enough to fall for such a game, and the GOP base lacks any decency - only a desire to rule.

For the most part the GOP has decided to align with Trump, advance his policy, and protect him. I believe this will be their undoing in the 2018 midterms and in 2020.

The Trump stench will remain on the GOP for a long time and deservedly so. Ryan, McConnell, and the GOP writ large will be remembered as cruel, corporatist, corrupt, and Trump enablers.

RickJames3000 said:

Oh, look... there you are.
I thought you would hide forever from my earlier question up-thread (post #13)... the one you failed to respond to:

Do you have any substantiation for the unlikely claim that Trump "is well on his way to pulling away a large segment of black and millennial voters"?

Anything?

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Once I've offered my opinion I see no reason to repeat it dozens of times over, so there is no need to reply. Repeating yourself hundreds of times doesn't make you right. You might remember that.

In response to Trump support among millennials and black voters, here's your sign; (as Bill Engvall says)

Yes, Trump is pulling some black and millennial support, at least according to some polls.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-millennials-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN1I10YH

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/millennials-democrats-poll-economy/

"Millennial voters aged 18-29 (50% approve/48% disapprove) were more likely to approve of President Trump's job as commander in chief compared to older voters aged 65+......Trump's numbers were also up among voters aged 18-24 years old (47% approve/51% disapprove). Men (56% approve/43% disapprove) were much more likely to approve of Trump's job as president, while women (41% approve/56% disapprove) were more likely to disapprove of the president, although Trump's numbers were up among women compared to our last approval rating in January."

https://zogbyanalytics.com/news/839...-support-2nd-amendment-when-hollywood-opposes

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...shows-trump-gaining-black-supporters-n2477057

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/kanye-...g-black-men-according-to-poll-news.49384.html

https://news.co.cr/welcome-to-a-new...ike-and-support-president-donald-trump/72683/

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/11/black-support-trump-rising-danger-zone-democrats/

I won't see a need to respond unless you have some fresh new ideas to offer, or a cogent criticism of what I posted.

Waddy said:

Once I've offered my opinion I see no reason to repeat it dozens of times over, so there is no need to reply. Repeating yourself hundreds of times doesn't make you right. You might remember that.

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No one asked you to repeat your opinions.
I asked you for substantiation... twice, in fact.

Now that you made the attempt, we are done here.

New direction, but the personality flair will probably evaporate quickly.

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Masterhawk said:

Donald Trump is similar to Ronald Reagan in many ways. Both gave off the vibe of smaller government and national pride and both left a large impact on the Republican Party (Reagan certainly did and Trump could do the same). The typical conservative who's a devout Christian and supports lazzes faire economics, military and order, tighter borders, strict constitutionalism, and opposition to abortion and recreational drug use largely started from Ronald Reagan. Reagan helped establish the Republican party that we know today.

Reagan even used the "make American great again" 37 years before Trump
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Donald Trump has the potential to change the direction of the Republican party. Unlike most Republicans, he favors protectionism, calling NAFTA "the worst trade deal ever". He also cares less about cracking down on drugs (the same cannot be said for his attorney general, Jeff Sessions) and the "sanctity of marriage" than most other Republicans (he was actually the first US president to support gay marriage upon entering office though he did pass a transgender ban from joining the military). Like most Republicans, he is pro military and supports deregulation and immigration restrictions.

However, his approval rating is not great. As of the end of May 2018, his current approval rating is 40% and his disapproval rating is 55%. Like Obama though, he has a very high approval rating amongst his party and a very low one amongst the opposing party. Obama, however was able to have a higher approval rating amongst the independents. If Trump can find a way to increase his approval rating amongst independents before the 2020 election, he can still get reelected.

So, will Trump's ideology point the Grand Old Party in a new direction or is he just an odd one out?

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I think there is a lot more differences between Reagan and Trump than similarities. The biggest is personality, character, persona. Reagan was a nice guy with a good personality. He was even liked personally by most Democrats although they didn't like his politics. Reagan never took politics personally, Trump takes everything personal. Reagan had charm and was the great communicator. He connected with the people. Trump is an obnoxious, egotistical who acts like a five year old kid throwing a temper tantrum and calls people names like his parents failed to teach him any manners.

Reagan upheld the dignity of the office of the presidency, Trump asks, "What dignity?" Reagan personified everything Trump isn't and Trump personifies everything Reagan wasn't. Reagan was a unifier, Trump a divider. Reagan trounced Carter, Trump won because of the electoral college. Reagan switched parties once in 1963 and then was a lifelong Republican. Trump switched parties eight times so far and counting. Reagan had government experience serving eight years as governor of California prior to running for the presidency, Trump was a reality TV show host. Reagan knew what he believed in, Trump believes in what pops into his head at the time.

It takes more than a slogan to match or be compared with Reagan. Reagan served in the military during WWII although it was stateside. Trump says our POW's are bad soldiers because they got caught. Reagan brought hope to America, I'm not sure what Trump brings. Most republicans supported Reagan because of who he was and what he stood for, most Republicans today support Trump only because he is better than a Democratic alternative.

It's too early to tell what Trump will be remembered for. We're in a complete different political world than when Reagan was president. There wasn't the polarization back then that we have today. there was a lot more cooperation between parties back then also. Compromise wasn't a four letter word.

Somehow I have a feeling quite a lot of Republicans are just abiding their time as long as Trump is president. Besides, I never along with several Republicans I know never considered Trump a Republican. Just an egotistical opportunist who happened to win the GOP nomination.

RickJames3000 said:

No one asked you to repeat your opinions.
I asked you for substantiation... twice, in fact.

Now that you made the attempt, we are done here.

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Thank God. BTW; I made more than an "attempt". I proved my point.

Masterhawk said:

Donald Trump is similar to Ronald Reagan in many ways. Both gave off the vibe of smaller government and national pride and both left a large impact on the Republican Party (Reagan certainly did and Trump could do the same). The typical conservative who's a devout Christian and supports lazzes faire economics, military and order, tighter borders, strict constitutionalism, and opposition to abortion and recreational drug use largely started from Ronald Reagan. Reagan helped establish the Republican party that we know today.

Reagan even used the "make American great again" 37 years before Trump
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Donald Trump has the potential to change the direction of the Republican party. Unlike most Republicans, he favors protectionism, calling NAFTA "the worst trade deal ever". He also cares less about cracking down on drugs (the same cannot be said for his attorney general, Jeff Sessions) and the "sanctity of marriage" than most other Republicans (he was actually the first US president to support gay marriage upon entering office though he did pass a transgender ban from joining the military). Like most Republicans, he is pro military and supports deregulation and immigration restrictions.

However, his approval rating is not great. As of the end of May 2018, his current approval rating is 40% and his disapproval rating is 55%. Like Obama though, he has a very high approval rating amongst his party and a very low one amongst the opposing party. Obama, however was able to have a higher approval rating amongst the independents. If Trump can find a way to increase his approval rating amongst independents before the 2020 election, he can still get reelected.

So, will Trump's ideology point the Grand Old Party in a new direction or is he just an odd one out?

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Not correcting your spelling but it's lasser faire and it is intended to refer to a political position, not an economic one. Specifically cited it translates to "let do" or "leave alone" and was, I believe specific to a movement or attitude in US history prior to Teddy Roosevelt and "gunboat diplomacy".

Not only Reagan was protectionist. Your Mr. Bush placed embargoes on Canadian lumber that cost Canada 12,000 jobs. WE sued and after he was gone American taxpayers were hit with a $300 million bill for those years. Trump is doing the same.

However most economists today say embargoes and tariffs are antiquated weapons. And from our perspective that's true. Your Mr. Trump just undid 150 years of "the best friendship in the world."

Waddy said:

Thank God. BTW; I made more than an "attempt". I proved my point.

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Yes. Wow. 22% of black men now approve of Trump’s presidency. That’s really remarkable.
Let’s see how much staying power the Kanye bump has. Lol

Masterhawk said:

Donald Trump is similar to Ronald Reagan in many ways. Both gave off the vibe of smaller government and national pride and both left a large impact on the Republican Party (Reagan certainly did and Trump could do the same). The typical conservative who's a devout Christian and supports lazzes faire economics, military and order, tighter borders, strict constitutionalism, and opposition to abortion and recreational drug use largely started from Ronald Reagan. Reagan helped establish the Republican party that we know today.

Reagan even used the "make American great again" 37 years before Trump
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Donald Trump has the potential to change the direction of the Republican party. Unlike most Republicans, he favors protectionism, calling NAFTA "the worst trade deal ever". He also cares less about cracking down on drugs (the same cannot be said for his attorney general, Jeff Sessions) and the "sanctity of marriage" than most other Republicans (he was actually the first US president to support gay marriage upon entering office though he did pass a transgender ban from joining the military). Like most Republicans, he is pro military and supports deregulation and immigration restrictions.

However, his approval rating is not great. As of the end of May 2018, his current approval rating is 40% and his disapproval rating is 55%. Like Obama though, he has a very high approval rating amongst his party and a very low one amongst the opposing party. Obama, however was able to have a higher approval rating amongst the independents. If Trump can find a way to increase his approval rating amongst independents before the 2020 election, he can still get reelected.

So, will Trump's ideology point the Grand Old Party in a new direction or is he just an odd one out?

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Not sure.

It's hard to drain the Republican swamp, but Trump sure is trying.