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What do you think now?

  • I've been tricked

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I knew what the 2008 county map looked like all along

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • drat! you exposed us

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • other

    Votes: 3 75.0%

  • don't care

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • Total voters
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Previously, I posted a map of a presidential election by country on a previous thread:

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https://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/319176-electoral-map-county.html

What people didn't know was that it was a map of the 2008 presidential election, one where the electoral college granted the winner of the blue counties the winner even though more counties voted in favor of the other candidate.

This map looks just like the one at the top:

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I posted the previous thread in response to EC supporters using a map of the election results by county to say something along the lines of "See? Aren't you glad that we don't have popular vote? Otherwise, candidates would only focus on the big cities"

I hope this changes your perspective on maps like these:

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Masterhawk said:
Previously, I posted a map of a presidential election by country on a previous thread:

View attachment 67233556

https://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/319176-electoral-map-county.html

What people didn't know was that it was a map of the 2008 presidential election, one where the electoral college granted the winner of the blue counties the winner even though more counties voted in favor of the other candidate.

This map looks just like the one at the top:

View attachment 67233557


I posted the previous thread in response to EC supporters using a map of the election results by county to say something along the lines of "See? Aren't you glad that we don't have popular vote? Otherwise, candidates would only focus on the big cities"

I hope this changes your perspective on maps like these:

View attachment 67233559
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You need to read your history(try the Federalist Papers). You will learn the real reason why we have an Electoral College. Hint: it had to do with not trusting normal people to choose wisely...
 
That does nothing to justify that the votes for one-half of the US population are worth 3-4 times more than votes of the other half of the population.

You're welcome.
 
Other...I didn't see your other thread so I don't feel tricked at all.

I am puzzled by the apparent belief that the numbers of counties voting for a particular candidate is relevant. If there were a county that had 4 voters, would that county somehow compare to Brooklyn (Kings County)? with millions of voters? Should a candidate be rewarded for visiting those 4 people, and ignoring the million? Just crazy thought process.
 
Masterhawk said:
Previously, I posted a map of a presidential election by country on a previous thread:

View attachment 67233556

https://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/319176-electoral-map-county.html

What people didn't know was that it was a map of the 2008 presidential election, one where the electoral college granted the winner of the blue counties the winner even though more counties voted in favor of the other candidate.

This map looks just like the one at the top:

View attachment 67233557


I posted the previous thread in response to EC supporters using a map of the election results by county to say something along the lines of "See? Aren't you glad that we don't have popular vote? Otherwise, candidates would only focus on the big cities"

I hope this changes your perspective on maps like these:

View attachment 67233559
Click to expand...

My answer doesn't change. The Electoral College is a brilliant idea.
 
Masterhawk said:
Previously, I posted a map of a presidential election by country on a previous thread:

View attachment 67233556

https://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/319176-electoral-map-county.html

What people didn't know was that it was a map of the 2008 presidential election, one where the electoral college granted the winner of the blue counties the winner even though more counties voted in favor of the other candidate.

This map looks just like the one at the top:

View attachment 67233557


I posted the previous thread in response to EC supporters using a map of the election results by county to say something along the lines of "See? Aren't you glad that we don't have popular vote? Otherwise, candidates would only focus on the big cities"

I hope this changes your perspective on maps like these:

View attachment 67233559
Click to expand...
What the hell has a map got to do with counting the number of votes?
 
So basically someone's vote in a swing state like Ohio has far, far more voting power than someone like me in a solid red state. The EC makes it so that conservatives in blue states and liberals in red states have absolutely no vote or effect at all, while the president is decided by a handful of people in swing states.
 
"That."



C'mon... manage your damn thread!

Amateurs...!

Thx :)
 
Masterhawk said:
Previously, I posted a map of a presidential election by country on a previous thread:

View attachment 67233556

https://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/319176-electoral-map-county.html

What people didn't know was that it was a map of the 2008 presidential election, one where the electoral college granted the winner of the blue counties the winner even though more counties voted in favor of the other candidate.

This map looks just like the one at the top:

View attachment 67233557


I posted the previous thread in response to EC supporters using a map of the election results by county to say something along the lines of "See? Aren't you glad that we don't have popular vote? Otherwise, candidates would only focus on the big cities"

I hope this changes your perspective on maps like these:

View attachment 67233559
Click to expand...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k

Per the video, in practice, the electoral college doesn't actually result in the enfranchisement of smaller, less populous states so much as it results in a small minority of kingmaker swing/purple states having vastly disproportionate power and sway, and thus commensurately disproportionate attention and deference from politicos.

Moreover, the top 10 biggest cities by population account for only ~7.9% of the population, and the top 100 account for a mere ~19.4%.
 
Redress said:
You need to read your history(try the Federalist Papers). You will learn the real reason why we have an Electoral College. Hint: it had to do with not trusting normal people to choose wisely...
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Thank you. Most people don't realize that the only reason the electoral college was created was because our founders didn't think we were smart enough to make the right choices.
 
Superfly said:
Thank you. Most people don't realize that the only reason the electoral college was created was because our founders didn't think we were smart enough to make the right choices.
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Looking at Brexit, Trump, and Roy Moore's near miss with the Senate, I'm personally beginning to wonder about peoples ability to govern themselves in this part of the world.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So basically someone's vote in a swing state like Ohio has far, far more voting power than someone like me in a solid red state. The EC makes it so that conservatives in blue states and liberals in red states have absolutely no vote or effect at all, while the president is decided by a handful of people in swing states.
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Yup.

Rather than winning people, you try to win states.
 
MovingPictures said:
Looking at Brexit, Trump, and Roy Moore's near miss with the Senate, I'm personally beginning to wonder about peoples ability to govern themselves in this part of the world.
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I wasn't going to go there. :lol: But yes, I was there in spirit.
 
Superfly said:
I wasn't going to go there. :lol: But yes, I was there in spirit.
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I don't care how others take it.

The idea of a democracy isn't just that people be able have a choice, but that they inform themselves on the consequences of their choices before they decide what they want.

If people aren't going to bother taking ten minutes to educate themselves and value objective truth, there isn't any point to having democracy because sooner or later fascism will show up as a choice, and people will eventually go for it when its the shiny new thing again.
 
Masterhawk said:
Previously, I posted a map of a presidential election by country on a previous thread:

View attachment 67233556

https://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/319176-electoral-map-county.html

What people didn't know was that it was a map of the 2008 presidential election, one where the electoral college granted the winner of the blue counties the winner even though more counties voted in favor of the other candidate.

This map looks just like the one at the top:

View attachment 67233557


I posted the previous thread in response to EC supporters using a map of the election results by county to say something along the lines of "See? Aren't you glad that we don't have popular vote? Otherwise, candidates would only focus on the big cities"

I hope this changes your perspective on maps like these:
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Oh so land is entitled to more votes than actual humans are! That sure would explain a lot of problems. :roll:

Get real. The real cultural divide in this nation is city-suburb-rural, not red-state-blue-state, and the OP is nothing but a poor attempt to convince us that rural > urban.
 
MovingPictures said:
I don't care how others take it.

The idea of a democracy isn't just that people be able have a choice, but that they inform themselves on the consequences of their choices before they decide what they want.

If people aren't going to bother taking ten minutes to educate themselves and value objective truth, there isn't any point to having democracy because sooner or later fascism will show up as a choice, and people will eventually go for it when its the shiny new thing again.
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Sort of sounds like what's happening right now:thinking:thinking:thinking
 
Phys251 said:
Oh so land is entitled to more votes than actual humans are! That sure would explain a lot of problems. :roll:

Get real. The real cultural divide in this nation is city-suburb-rural, not red-state-blue-state, and the OP is nothing but a poor attempt to convince us that rural > urban.
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I notice a theme lately where rural people feel entitled to have more power than urban districts responsible for 70% of the capital in their city.

It's always "Wah! California and NY have too many people!", as if their votes don't count the same in the EC.
 
Surrealistik said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k

Per the video, in practice, the electoral college doesn't actually result in the enfranchisement of smaller, less populous states so much as it results in a small minority of kingmaker swing/purple states having vastly disproportionate power and sway, and thus commensurately disproportionate attention and deference from politicos.

Moreover, the top 10 biggest cities by population account for only ~7.9% of the population, and the top 100 account for a mere ~19.4%.
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Yeah, basically Ohio, Iowa, Pennsylvania, Florida, and a few other choice swing states get their dicks sucked for months by all the candidates while the rest of the US constituency is largely ignored.
 
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